How the GW myth is perpetuated

[Zipperfish]

Adaptation to any potential slight increase in temperature will still be cheaper than the church of Globull Warming demand for wealth redistribution.

Wealth distribution will happen regardless. For instance, poor Alaskan villages may be inundated with water due to increased erosion from a slight temperature change (as has happened in Kivalina, Alaska, for example). So, in that instance, you have these poor shmuks who have a tiny carbon footprint having to pay for new homes and new lives due to actions of wealthier people with much larger carbon footprints. That's essentially distributing wealth from the poor to the rich. Or the feds may step in and pay for relocation which is still wealth distribution because they'll use hundreds of millions in federal tax money.

 

[waldo]

Adaptation to any potential slight increase in temperature will still be cheaper than the church of Globull Warming demand for wealth redistribution.

what are your examples of so-called wealth distribution... that have you so concerned. Do you have anything to qualify your statement on adaptation? Following your premise, do you anticipate a single adaptation will be required... or that multiple adaptations-upon-adaptations will be necessary since you advocate for a "NO Mitigation" approach?

 

[captain morgan]

I agree the Earth does not really care what the temperature is. People, however, do. Adaptation costs. the more we have to adapt, the higher those costs will be. The unadnswered question is: is it worth paying the adpatation costs?

Are you under the impression that people (read: the global population) actually can control the climate?.. Sad to say, but that view is beyond reason

Humanity has been adapting since Day 1.... It's pretty simple, pay the cost or suffer the consequences

Well, if you do the math, you can see that the amount of CO2 emitted in volcanic eruptions is dwarfed by anthropogenic emissions by a factor of about a hundred.

The eruption in Iceland in 2010, on it's first week of activity would have erased years of combined, global emission cuts... Volcanoes in that nation are still experiencing the longest continuous eruptions in centuries.

.. Add to this the multiplicity of other active volcanoes around the world, in addition to the subsea action and the anthro sources will not even qualify as a drop in a barrel.

Forest fires really don't count--kind of a zero sum game.

Now you're on the right track... This is completely a zero-sum game with the only really tangible variable being the timeframe in which the transactions occur.

Are you under the impression the ice will come back then?

Considering that the Earth ahs experienced numerous periods of continental glaciation - yes, I do believe that it will happen again (and again and again).

 

[Zipperfish]

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The eruption in Iceland in 2010, on it's first week of activity would have erased years of combined, global emission cuts... Volcanoes in that nation are still experiencing the longest continuous eruptions in centuries.

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Eyjafjoell, at its height, emitted about 150,000 to 200,000 tonnes/day of CO2. That would rate it as equalling a small European country's emission output. Even if Eyjafjoell had gone all year it would only rate about 50th on the scale of emissions by country. So…no.

 

[Walter]

Volcanoes dwarf human activity.
Long Invisible, Research Shows Volcanic CO2 Levels Are Staggering | Volcano Climate

 

[captain morgan]

Eyjafjoell, at its height, emitted about 150,000 to 200,000 tonnes/day of CO2. That would rate it as equalling a small European country's emission output. Even if Eyjafjoell had gone all year it would only rate about 50th on the scale of emissions by country. So…no.

Icelandic volcanoes have experienced their longest continued eruptions in centuries... Add in the other known volcanic activity in addition to subsea (limited knowledge)

Map of currently active volcanoes - VolcanoDiscovery

... And we still haven't recognized the other many forms of natural CO2 emissions.

Like you said, the math doesn't add up

 

[DaSleeper]

Icelandic volcanoes have experienced their longest continued eruptions in centuries... Add in the other known volcanic activity in addition to subsea (limited knowledge)

Map of currently active volcanoes - VolcanoDiscovery

... And we still haven't recognized the other many forms of natural CO2 emissions.

Like you said, the math doesn't add up

Give it up....Impossible to convince an Ideologue.....I know....I used to work with a jehovah witness ...all I did was laugh at him every time he tried to discuss religion.....but he was a smart witness....he quit trying to convert me....unlike some of the "Warmists" in here.

 

[captain morgan]

I enjoy punching holes in their sinking ship.

It warms my heart everytime one of their cockamamie theories or ridiculous predictions goes bust

 

[Locutus]

JunkScience.com ‏@JunkScience

Warmists fear-monger about oceans being 'DUE' to 'BELCH' heat allegedly stored since pause began.
http://goo.gl/RIacXU #MakinItUp

 

[Zipperfish]

Volcanoes dwarf human activity.
Long Invisible, Research Shows Volcanic CO2 Levels Are Staggering | Volcano Climate

Did you even read your own article? 600 million tons per year? How does that dwarf anthrpogenic emissions, which were around 36 billion tons in 2013. Protip: A billion is bigger than a million. By lots.

Reddie me if you love Obama, Walter!!!!!

... And we still haven't recognized the other many forms of natural CO2 emissions.

Like you said, the math doesn't add up

Well, I guess you'd have top have a rudimentary understanding of math to start with. Walter, it appears, doesn't know that a billion is bigger than a million.

How do you know "we still haven't recognized the other many forms of natural CO2 emissions." That's just sheer speculation on your part.

 

[Walter]

Did you even read your own article? 600 million tons per year? How does that dwarf anthrpogenic emissions, which were around 36 billion tons in 2013. Protip: A billion is bigger than a million. By lots.

Reddie me if you love Obama, Walter!!!!!



Well, I guess you'd have top have a rudimentary understanding of math to start with. Walter, it appears, doesn't know that a billion is bigger than a million.

How do you know "we still haven't recognized the other many forms of natural CO2 emissions." That's just sheer speculation on your part.

Does anyone besides gubmint sources give you that info?

 

[Zipperfish]

Does anyone besides gubmint sources give you that info?

I used the number in the article that you posted. For CO2 emissions I pulled the number off of wiki. However, you could derive the number from the oil industry by using a multiplyer to convert sales of oil and gas, most of which is converted to CO2. Figure about 430 kg of CO2 per barrel of oil. Figure out how many millions of barrels of oil the world goes through in a day. Multiply.

The other problem with the volcano theory is it doesn't explain the recent rise. Unless you can show that the volcanic acticity is recent and correlates with the CO2 record.

 

[Walter]

I used the number in the article that you posted. For CO2 emissions I pulled the number off of wiki. However, you could derive the number from the oil industry by using a multiplyer to convert sales of oil and gas, most of which is converted to CO2. Figure about 430 kg of CO2 per barrel of oil. Figure out how many millions of barrels of oil the world goes through in a day. Multiply.

The other problem with the volcano theory is it doesn't explain the recent rise. Unless you can show that the volcanic acticity is recent and correlates with the CO2 record.

I meant the human emissions.

 

[Zipperfish]

I meant the human emissions.

I don't know who collects the numbers. Not too hard to figure out from global sales thought, I'd imagine.

 

[Locutus]

Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

Global warming alarmist Globe and Mail commissions oil poll, seriously

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-needs-to-lead-a-balanced-energy-debate-canadians-tell-pollster/article22244391/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it …

 

[Walter]

Reality bites. Can't we just forget about the past.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...treme_storms_and_flooding_in_the_midwest.html

 

[waldo]

Reality bites. Can't we just forget about the past.
Blog: Reality check on extreme storms and flooding in the Midwest

a "blogger" from the American Stinker? That's your source Walter? From the 2014 U.S. government 'National Climate Assessment':

- regional scale similarity between changes in long-term flooding (Fig. a) and corresponding changes in total annual precipitation (Fig. b)... per your Stinker reference Walter, note the Midwest regional area of the following:

- Heavy downpours are increasing nationally across the U.S., with especially large increases in the Midwest and Northeast. Despite considerable decadal-scale natural variability, indices such as this one based on 2-day precipitation totals exceeding a threshold for a 1-in-5-year occurrence exhibit a greater than normal occurrence of extreme events since 1991 in all U.S. regions except Alaska and Hawaii. Each bar represents that decade’s average, while the far right bar in each graph represents the average for the 12-year period of 2001-2012. Analysis is based on 726 long-term, quality-controlled station records.

 

[Locutus]

JunkScience.com ‏@JunkScience

Wow… warmist likens FOX News to persecutors of Jesus for reporting on upcoming @Pontifex climate encyclical.

these tender and guilty white liberals are often 'outraged' and have had their 'feelings hurt. not sure how they walk around unsupervised getting the vapors and all but that can be for another day. :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

JunkScience.com ‏@JunkScience

Wow… warmist likens FOX News to persecutors of Jesus for reporting on upcoming @Pontifex climate encyclical.

these tender and guilty white liberals are often 'outraged' and have had their 'feelings hurt. not sure how they walk around unsupervised getting the vapors and all but that can be for another day. :lol:

Another day eh. How can you ne sure? Can we trust you? Another day is quite a boast eh,.These white liberals don;t know about muinutes, a whole day will tax their imagination.

 

[waldo]

Wow… warmist likens FOX News to persecutors of Jesus for reporting on upcoming @Pontifex climate encyclical.

these tender and guilty white liberals are often 'outraged' and have had their 'feelings hurt. not sure how they walk around unsupervised getting the vapors and all but that can be for another day. :lol:

member 'Locutus'... there is just so much to choose from that blazing hot "Junk Science" twitter feed... just how do you narrow down your selection choices? :mrgreen: You do know member 'mentalfloss' created the related thread "BRRREAKING: Pope to issue climate change call to arms for world’s Catholics", yes?