How socialism turned oil-rich Venezuela into a basket case

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No mention of the constant CIA siege and attempted coups?
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ah viva les revolutions!

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government
The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs
CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government | The Independent

"Meddling" eh...? That's what they calls it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d'état_attempt

CIA Director Mike Pompeo revealed the U.S. advises Mexico and Colombia on developments in Venezuela.
Venezuela’s foreign minister condemned CIA schemes to overthrow the government of President Nicolas Maduro, denouncing the CIA’s dealings with foreign governments such as Mexico and Colombia to manipulate events in Venezuela.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...Denounces-CIA-Interference-20170724-0015.html
yea. america is always working to sabotage communism. it's a danger to the ruling capitalist class of course.

Maybe i’m the next evolution in human kind. We will find out. :)

I don’t need help from the government to pay my bills . I could provide for myself without government services. Looks like im the next thing in evolution.
no you can't, don't lie to yourself.
 

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It's funny: the longest standing continuous democratic government ( the US constitution was partially modeled on them) are the Iroquois six nations.Compared to everyone else, they seem to be doing quite well, considering. They have been going for about 900 years.
No money, no taxes, no lawyers, everyone had a gun, and the women did all the work.

Matriarchal democratic tribalism.
But of course, the white man has a better way.
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Im a single income family doing just fine. Under a capitalist system. What is wrong ??? I thought this was only supposed to be possible in a communist country

Why is everyone in a communist country leaving to come live here in a capitalist country?
 

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So, do you get baptised into the Marxist religion when you have accepted Karl as your saviour, and dispensed with all rational thought in favour of faith in the scriptures?

Just curious.
you think you're unbiased and le rational? you've totally not been influenced?

marx was a brilliant economist. he was right about many things. he is also dated. we need to learn from him but develop newer ideas applicable to the 21st century. one thing is for sure, capitalism is a failure for working class people.
 

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It appears the country is back to what it was like before Hugo. How does that make you feel Walnut.
http://www.stationgossip.com/2018/12/report-girls-as-young-as-14-sell-sex.html
Once considered the wealthiest country in Latin America, Venezuela has become a socialist hellhole where girls as young as 14 are selling their bodies in exchange for a few bucks a "service" and heterosexual men are prostituting themselves out on the gay sex market. These desperate souls are trying to escape the economic policies advocated here in United States by the Left's increasingly mainstream Bernie Sanders/Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wing.
A Fox News report from journalist Hollie McKay exposed the socialism-induced horror show on the trail from Venezuela to neighboring Colombia. "Thousands upon thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia over the crowd cross-country bridge, their faces gaunt, carrying little more than a backpack. Rail-thin women cradle their tiny babies, and beg along the trash-strewn gutters. Teens hawk everything from cigarettes to sweets and water for small change," McKay reports.
Malnourished girls and women are selling anything they can, including their bodies, breast milk, and hair, to survive, reports McKay. Females as young as 14 are receiving a reported seven dollars on average "per service"; a woman's hair might be sold in exchange for a measly $10-30.
And as desperate Venezuelans hand over their papers and identification to "pimp types," sex trafficking has become the norm. Men are selling themselves, too: straight men, some being trafficked, are performing gay sex acts in exchange for money. McKay reports:
Both men and women are exposed to sex trafficking along the route from Venezuela to Colombia. According to several walkers, some women “chose” prostitution as a means to make money and earn rides along the way. And some heterosexual men “sell themselves on the gay market” for a little money.
Other women are manipulated or forced into giving “pimp types” their documents and identification cards, and are subsequently drawn into prostitution rings. That's particularly the case in border areas, where many rebel and drug-trafficking groups operate.
"Due to the brutal economic situation in Venezuela," explained The Exodus RoadChief of Staff Amy Roth, Venezuelans "come to Colombia looking for a job, or at least for shelter and basic care. But they usually end up selling candles or coffee at traffic lights. Where they also become vulnerable to being recruited, to become victims of human trafficking."
 

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What is obvious to those who read about the tough time socialism has had on earth is the brutality of imperialism best exemplified by American glutony and murder of little brown nations on every continent. Americans will taste exactly what they have served up to much of the rest of the world. This American century will not escape the judgement of history nor will it,s fat fukked-up slave/citizens.
 

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I wonder how socialism helped oil-rich Norway become the most successful country in history?

Maybe a climate scientist could explain...
 

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Sure, a certain city that the founders of South Africa came from was the only city in Europe that would not extradite bankrupt 'persons' to any Nation, aka 'bankers', made the climate favorable so that in 1600-1650 they were able to kill of Portugal and take over their trade routes. That climate is still going strong.
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Canada getting closer to a war with Venezuela

Canada's ties to Venezuela hanging by a thread as clash escalates

Relations between Canada and Venezuela took a sudden plunge today as Ottawa appeared to reject an ultimatum issued by President Nicolas Maduro on the eve of his second inauguration.
The dispute began with a letter sent by the Lima Group of 13 nations (12 in Latin America and the Caribbean, plus Canada) declaring Maduro's election undemocratic and illegitimate, and appealing to him not to take office today.
Maduro rejected that appeal and went on television to issue an ultimatum to what he called "the Lima Cartel": retract that letter within 48 hours or his government will take "crude, urgent and energetic measures." He also claimed that Venezuela was experiencing a coup attempt backed by its foreign enemies.
He made it clear that the measures he was considering were diplomatic, leading some observers to wonder if he intends to finally break relations and expel diplomats.
And a senior official at Global Affairs Canada told CBC News the department is bracing for the possible expulsion of diplomats and breaking of ties on Friday. "We are very well prepared for any and all eventualities tomorrow," the official said, when asked about the logistics of getting Canadian staff out of Venezuela in the event of a break.
Just under 24 hours later, Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland shot back with some of the harshest language her government has ever used against another nation:
"Today, Nicolás Maduro's regime loses any remaining appearance of legitimacy," she said in a written statement. "Having seized power through fraudulent and anti-democratic elections held on May 20, 2018, the Maduro regime is now fully entrenched as a dictatorship. The suffering of Venezuelans will only worsen should he continue to illegitimately cling to power.
"Together with other like-minded countries in the Lima Group, Canada rejects the legitimacy of the new presidential term of Nicolás Maduro. We call on him to immediately cede power to the democratically-elected National Assembly until new elections are held, which must include the participation of all political actors and follow the release of all political prisoners in Venezuela."
Canada recognizes young opposition leader
Freeland went on to say that Canada now considers the only legitimate authority in Venezuela to be the National Assembly that was elected in 2015. That assembly currently operates without any real authority after Venezuela's Supreme Tribunal of Justice — packed with supporters of Maduro's United Venezuelan Socialist Party — stripped it of its powers.
Those powers have been transferred to a new "constituent assembly" that is appointed, rather than elected.
"Canada congratulates Juan Guaidó, who on January 5, 2019, assumed the Presidency of the National Assembly," wrote Freeland. "As the only remaining democratically-elected institution in the country, the National Assembly must continue to play a crucial role in keeping Venezuela's democracy alive. Canadians stand with the people of Venezuela and their desire to restore democracy and human rights in Venezuela."
Guaidó is a 35-year-old engineer who serves as a congressman for the opposition Popular Will Party. He was elected to head the National Assembly by the often-fractious group of opposition parties that have dominated it since 2015.
Foreign Minister Freeland spoke with Guaidó by telephone Wednesday to communicate Canada's support for him.
As head of the assembly, he is now considered Venezuela's most senior legitimate official by most countries of the hemisphere. Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Mexico, Nicaragua and Uruguay are recognizing Maduro's second term, though their expressions of support range from enthusiastic (Cuba and El Salvador) to hesitant and muted (Ecuador, Mexico and Uruguay).
In remarks made in the capital Caracas, Guaidó said that Maduro had "stolen the symbols of power and given himself a paper crown." Flanked by other deputies, Guiadó said Maduro's inauguration showed he was backed by "only four or five countries. The whole world has come together to reject him...
"Today, Venezuela has no legitimate leader. Today, Venezuela's armed forces have no commander-in-chief."
The congressional leader also called on the country's armed forces, "those who wear the uniform with pride and haven't allowed themselves to be corrupted," to stand by their oath to defend constitutional order in Venezuela.
"The chain of command is broken," he said. "How is Maduro going to be able to appoint ambassadors, and have their credentials recognized, when other governments don't even recognize him?"
"Unanimity" against Maduro
The senior official with Global Affairs Canada said that Maduro was issuing threats from a position of weakness rather than strength. "There's unanimity in the hemisphere and elsewhere. The European Union has also spoken out very strongly.
"Maduro wouldn't be speaking publicly this way if he wasn't feeling the pressure."
The official also praised the government of Jamaica for its decision this week to nationalize the 49 per cent stake that Venezuela's state oil company holds in the island's Petrojam. The government of Jamaica, which is not part of the Lima Group, accused the Maduro government of not living up to its commitments to help modernize Jamaica's oil industry.
The Canadian official praised the boldness of the move. "There are real financial risks for them" in the hostile takeover, he said, adding it was another sign of the growing isolation of the Maduro regime.
New sanctions
The Lima Group statement that infuriated Maduro also announced a number of new measures against his regime.
Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and Saint Lucia all agreed to declare senior Maduro regime officials persona non grata in their national territories, bar all arms transfers to Venezuela, forbid overflights by Venezuelan military aircraft and use their influence at international institutions — such as the International Monetary Fund and World Bank — to prevent Venezuela from getting loans.
Paraguay followed up on the statement by breaking diplomatic relations with Venezuela completely.
The 13 nations also warned Venezuela about an incident just before Christmas in which Venezuelan Navy patrol vessels approached and chased away a Norwegian oil-exploration vessel conducting a seismic survey in what Guyana says are its territorial waters.
A dispute over the marine boundary between Guyana and Venezuela has heated up recently following indications of major undersea oil deposits. Venezuela's own oil-dependent economy is in free-fall due to a combination of low prices, under-investment, corruption and government incompetence that has led to a steep drop in production.

Look who is back on her twitterpodium threatening another foreign country
 

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With that kind of shit coming out of the mouth of Canadian stooges it is a good thing Russia got there first. How long before all our tundra would belong to Russia, 2 hrs tops? That would solve the issue the west has with Ottawa as a smoking hole in the ground isn't a threat to anybody.
Here is where her 'outrage' came from.
https://sputniknews.com/us/201901121071414741-usa-venezuela-maduro-bolton/
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The United States does not recognize the legitimacy of powers of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who was inaugurated earlier this week, US National Security Adviser John Bolton said.
"The United States does not recognize Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro’s illegitimate claim to power. His 'election' in May 2018 was viewed internationally as not free, fair or credible," Bolton said in a statement issued by the White House press service on Friday. "We hold the illegitimate Maduro regime directly responsible for the safety of all Venezuelans who cry out demanding to freely choose their leaders. We will continue to use the full weight of United States economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of a Venezuelan democracy that reverses the current constitutional crisis," Bolton pointed out.
 
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With that kind of shit coming out of the mouth of Canadian stooges it is a good thing Russia got there first. How long before all our tundra would belong to Russia, 2 hrs tops? That would solve the issue the west has with Ottawa as a smoking hole in the ground isn't a threat to anybody.
Here is where her 'outrage' came from.
https://sputniknews.com/us/201901121071414741-usa-venezuela-maduro-bolton/
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The United States does not recognize the legitimacy of powers of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who was inaugurated earlier this week, US National Security Adviser John Bolton said.
"The United States does not recognize Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro’s illegitimate claim to power. His 'election' in May 2018 was viewed internationally as not free, fair or credible," Bolton said in a statement issued by the White House press service on Friday. "We hold the illegitimate Maduro regime directly responsible for the safety of all Venezuelans who cry out demanding to freely choose their leaders. We will continue to use the full weight of United States economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of a Venezuelan democracy that reverses the current constitutional crisis," Bolton pointed out.

What does Russia or the US have to do with LIMA?
 

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Peru was subject to the same level of 'control', nothing has changed hands. Is this part of your 'question'?
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-school-of-the-americas-is-still-exporting-death-squads/204655/
From the SOA to WHINSEC

Established in 1946 in Panama, the SOA was responsible for training over 64,000 South American soldiers, many of whom later became notorious torturers and murderers in death squads. According to former Panamanian President Jorge Illueca, the SOA was the “biggest base for destabilization in Latin America.”
Expelled from Panama in 1984, the SOA relocated to Fort Benning, Georgia, and was renamed WHINSEC in 2001, allowing for an apparent termination of the previous program through dissociation. In reality, however, WHINSEC retained its SOA foundations and the U.S. Department of Defense has shielded the institute from criticism and outcry with regard to the school’s historical link to human rights violations.
In its mission statement, WHINSEC claims to have been founded upon the Charter of the Organization of American States and pledges to “foster mutual knowledge, transparency, confidence, and cooperation among the participating nations and promote democratic values, respect for human rights, and knowledge and understanding of U.S. customs and traditions.”
These values, according to WHINSEC’s website, are imparted through a three-lesson Ethics Program, as well as the Democracy and Human Rights Program — the latter dealing with “the universal prohibitions against torture, extrajudicial executions and forced disappearances.”

A far cry from protecting human rights

CIA and U.S. Army manuals detailing torture techniques translated into Spanish and utilized by the SOA are a far cry from anything containing human rights protections. Indeed, as SOA Watch explains, “These manuals advocated torture, extortion, blackmail and the targeting of civilian populations.”
The manuals, written in the 1950s and 1960s, “were distributed for use in countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Ecuador and Peru, and at the School of the Americas between 1987 and 1991.” Indeed, in-depth research and testimony from torture survivors relay more than just a depiction of torture practiced by SOA graduates in South America during dictatorship eras, such as Chile under Pinochet. Sadistic torture practiced upon detainees at Abu Ghraib is also reflective of the CIA torture manuals and torture previously carried out on detainees in South America.
Since 2000 and the renaming of the SOA, other crimes linked to SOA graduates have come to light.
Col. Byron Lima Estrada was convicted in June 2001 of murdering Guatemalan Bishop Juan Jose Gerardi following the publication of a report insisting the Guatemalan army was responsible for the murder of almost 200,000 people in the civil war that took place from 1960 to 1996.
Two SOA graduates, Venezuelan Army Commander in Chief Efrain Vasquez and Gen. Ramirez Poveda, were involved in the failed 2002 coup against President Hugo Chávez. According to SOA Watch, Otto Reich, then-assistant secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, was “appointed as a WHINSEC board of visitor member to ‘oversee’ democracy and human rights curriculum, as well as operations at the school.” Reich was also deeply involved in the planning of the coup against Chávez.
In 1999, Bolivian Captain Filiman Rodriguez had been found responsible for the kidnapping and torture of Waldo Albarracin, director of the Bolivian Popular Assembly of Human Rights. In 2002, Rodriguez was accepted for a 49-week officer training course at WHINSEC.
In May 2014, a detailed report by the Fellowship of Reconciliation and Colombia-Europe-U.S. Human Rights Observatory highlighted U.S. military assistance to Colombia between 2000 and 2010. According to the report, which studies extrajudicial killings committed by the Colombian Army Brigades, U.S. intelligence assistance to Colombia “supported units that had adopted a strategy conducive to extrajudicial killings.”
Colombia requires its officers to undergo training at WHINSEC. The 2014 report states that out of 25 Colombian graduates from 2001 to 2003, 12 had either been charged with “a serious crime or commanded units whose members had reportedly committed multiple extrajudicial killings.”
It should be remembered that Plan Colombia, signed by U.S. President Bill Clinton, was translated into “moral and political support” by Colombian Gen. Mario Montoya. Between 2000 and 2010, U.S. assistance was considered a factor which influenced the staggering total of 5,673 extrajudicial killings — all of which occurred with impunity, lack of judicial mechanisms, rewards for the murders and the role of national leaders such as Montoya providing a safety net for those complicit in the atrocities.
As regards WHINSEC in Colombia, an academic on the Board of Visitors is quoted in the report as stating, “So if a student of mine leaves an ethics class and engages in criminal activity does that make me or my university liable for her activity?”
This attitude summarizes the lack of accountability surrounding WHINSEC. The dissociation from the school’s history under its original name — the SOA — is merely a premise for distancing the institution from the atrocities committed by its students and graduates.
History, however, tells a different story. While WHINSEC continues to emphasize what it describes as a commitment to human rights by citing a mere eight hours of instruction in the subject, research, such as the report on Colombia’s extrajudicial killings, reveals a reality that goes beyond the cosmetic reforms employed by the institution.