How Gore's Massive Energy Consumption...

[darkbeaver]

Oh you are not kidding. I used to be a telephone worker and have been around TONS of it. Just don't disturb it they say.

But instead of spinning it to another reason why we should attack Canada... where is the outrage that Canada is exporting poison to non-white countries for the Almighty Looni?

SAVE THE PLANET but keep that ASBESTOS rolling.

I'm outraged o/k.

 

[L Gilbert]

Money DurkaDurka makes all the difference in public relations, and I'll agree with you about his impact, but that ain't as positive as it seems. If you can see a green USA planting flowers all over the planet and sticking to thier vegetable plots and windmills you're smoking better weed than I.:laughing7:

That'd be niftier than invading everywhere for no good reason.

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyone who can't see the corresponding spikes in global mean temperatures, and Global CO2 emissions are either blind or stupid. It takes no effort to look at all the bare ground in Greenland or in the Arctic or Antarctic that hadn't been seen in hundreds of centuries, nor does it take a giant intellect to determine the reasons.

I've noticed that these people that are so sure of the GW "hoax" never come up with their own evidence but prefer to whine and snivel when others post theirs. Comical.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes and it would smell better too.:laughing7:

 

[L Gilbert]

And if they are somehow covered up by snow and ice someday in the near future will that silence GW enthusiast once and for all?

I think they will find another bare patch somewhere.

Question... how is the weather in Toronto? I hear they are comparing it to the winter in 1912. That was quite a long time ago and I hear it was pretty cold. The news tonight says wind chill will be -18 degrees celsius and the average wind chill is -2C. So much for Global Warming.

roflmao
Localized weather in part of a single season is comparable to decades of gradual increases in global mean temperature? That's hilarious.

 

[Kreskin]

The gawd damn grass is starting grow again over here on the Island.

 

[EagleSmack]

roflmao
Localized weather in part of a single season is comparable to decades of gradual increases in global mean temperature? That's hilarious.

BINGO! You've just proven my point. Temps fluctuate all over. Mean temps rise and cool on their own. It is a proven fact that mean temps were warmer in the 1940's than they are today. That is why there are bare spots in Greenland and record snowfalls in Alaska... record low temps in the midwest.

The GW Model that the UN released has already been shot full of holes and I have to disagree with you. Plenty of evidence has been posted here on CC. The thing is you have to read it and have an open mind.

GW is a fad. It will die away like all fads. It got a big boost with Gore's piece... which I won't call a documentary. But in the end it will fade away.

My grand kids will be freezing their butts off at the bus stop just like my kids did this morning in the bitter cold.

If there was not ONE human being on this planet it would get colder, then hotter, there would be Ice Ages and periods of extreme warmth. It is a cycle... that is all. Man is not causing it... it is the Earth... it is time. I've said this before...

What you see out your window right now will be unrecognizable thousands or millions of years from now. After man is long extinct and if the earth is still here temps will rise and fall.

So go have a beer and stop worrying... that is what I am going to do right now.

Have a good night all!

 

[Tonington]

The following could apply to the cell phone discussion too... but I'll plop it here.

As weatherman James Spann says: “I would not listen to anyone that is a politician, a journalist, or someone in science who is generating revenue from this issue.” The only problem is that would leave out an enormous number of scientists who have already cashed in on it.


If you ever wanted proof of how "science" can be bought, all you have to do is look at the fraud being perpetrated by these PhD's who are sucking on the global warming "research" teat. They know that only those who are putting out "results" in favour of global warming get grant money, because the funds are controlled by true believers. And if a huge chunk of your income was tied to what you said, we'd all be sorely tempted to just grin and nod as we cashed those govenment funding cheques.

Amen to that....

It's really damned if you do and damned if you don't. I like to advocate for greener technologies, more ecologically sound practices and the works, but if I were to try to get any kind of message out there, I would be lambasted for the fact that I have no degree in climate sciences, so what can I know right? So I wouldn't get any attention by the media, I could try getting it out underground or in non-conventional media. The problem with that in my eyes is that message doesn't reach the same volume of people and I'd wager the people who would end up reading it would be supporters anyways, kinda like preaching to the choir.

So what avenues would I have left? I could get a degree and publish papers. To publish research, I would have to procure funding from one of the bodies which give out money to research. As an example, my school was about to hire a Professor last year, he moved his familly and everything from Mexico, but at the last minute his funding fell through, a requirement for the job. Don't know what became of him, but he's not at my school. Universities conduct research on other peoples dimes, professors bring in research money from outside of the school by applying for grants. Governments give out money, corporations give out money, and NGO's give out money. No matter how noble the professor might be, there will be naysayers out there saying the person made their money from this stuff so maybe that's the motivation?

As far as politicians go, I agree. I'm sick of the party/individual reputation coming first. I like how Independants operate, but in our system they are marginalized, a novelty. I used to think I would like being a politician, I like mediating, I like talking to people, I like being helpful and I keep things honest. Sounds good on a forum or when I'm chatting with buddies, but I wonder how well everyone else feels? Heard it before, he'll be corrupt soon, etc.

No matter what someone chooses to do, there will inevitably be some people out there who feel the need to knock you down a notch, or all the way if they can. Circumstances like those I mentioned get pounded out by the pundits pandering to their political masters. The all powerful media blitz obfuscates the good deed or good nature and replaces it with cynical and sinister intent.

I'd like to think if I ever get the chance I could be so noble, without fear of being called a hypocrite, sadly I'm sure there is something in my past or in my future which would be used to knock me back. Perhaps it's not possible to get far enough ahead to make that difference without blemishing the character and the ideals from where the journey starts, I'd like to think it is possible. Though on examination, the big players, the ones who get peoples attention always get knocked on their ass eventually. Wethor they be an environmentalist or an evangelist, politician or scientist; it seems they always have that skeleton(s) in the closet. Could be a result of how we do things now a days, or maybe we're all prone to corruption.

I don't know...I'm young yet, maybe I don't understand the realities of what it takes. Any suggestions?

 

[L Gilbert]

BINGO! You've just proven my point. Temps fluctuate all over. Mean temps rise and cool on their own. It is a proven fact that mean temps were warmer in the 1940's than they are today. That is why there are bare spots in Greenland and record snowfalls in Alaska... record low temps in the midwest.

So there was a warm couple weeks here last summer and that's why the snow is melting off my driveway now? lmao

Proven fact, huh?

http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap15/global_temp.html

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2_lrg.gif

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A.lrg.gif

The GW Model that the UN released has already been shot full of holes and I have to disagree with you. Plenty of evidence has been posted here on CC. The thing is you have to read it and have an open mind.

Disagree all you want. The averge temperature of the planet now is higher than it has been for decades of decades.

GW is a fad. It will die away like all fads. It got a big boost with Gore's piece... which I won't call a documentary. But in the end it will fade away.

My grand kids will be freezing their butts off at the bus stop just like my kids did this morning in the bitter cold.

If there was not ONE human being on this planet it would get colder, then hotter, there would be Ice Ages and periods of extreme warmth. It is a cycle... that is all. Man is not causing it... it is the Earth... it is time. I've said this before...

What you see out your window right now will be unrecognizable thousands or millions of years from now. After man is long extinct and if the earth is still here temps will rise and fall.

So go have a beer and stop worrying... that is what I am going to do right now.

Have a good night all!

You're perfectly entitled to express your opinions whether the evidence supports you or not.. I don't worry.