How dumb is Bush?
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The problem with a class system is that morons can get into power - which is the whole point of the system. Both the Canadian and US systems were designed ostensibly to prevent that but now we find ourselves saddled with a political elite.
What is the fairest style of debate or campaigning which would allow the public to see the bare actor behind the words.
If they follow the script - we have no idea who wrote the statements they are making or if they believe them.
If they debate carefully chosen questions - it is obvious there will be an equal number of loaded questions for each of the two candidates.
Everything seems to be staged - which is all it can be I guess - otherwise we would be watching chaos and would learn nothing.
I would rather see two guys or gals or one of each sitting in chairs talking - ten minutes exchange on preselected topics - but no notes available - just ad lib from memory or vested interest in a particular subject. Evrn an exchange of back and forth like two humans would be nice. Why does campaigning have to be cruel and insulting?
This business of standing behind a podium raising a long arm at he people pointing a finger seems too anarchist to me.... like a dictatorship has arisen from the mound of earth at our feet...
(is anarchist the right word???).... (anarchical???) oh well.
If they follow the script - we have no idea who wrote the statements they are making or if they believe them.
If they debate carefully chosen questions - it is obvious there will be an equal number of loaded questions for each of the two candidates.
Everything seems to be staged - which is all it can be I guess - otherwise we would be watching chaos and would learn nothing.
I would rather see two guys or gals or one of each sitting in chairs talking - ten minutes exchange on preselected topics - but no notes available - just ad lib from memory or vested interest in a particular subject. Evrn an exchange of back and forth like two humans would be nice. Why does campaigning have to be cruel and insulting?
This business of standing behind a podium raising a long arm at he people pointing a finger seems too anarchist to me.... like a dictatorship has arisen from the mound of earth at our feet...
(is anarchist the right word???).... (anarchical???) oh well.
Nice to see you back Curio.
I think the fairest form would be a moderated debate with all questions coming from the audience. It's a little harder to script the answers, though not impossible. Someone who performs well has obviously prepared for such questions, and being at least knowledgeable about said questions would be a good start.
I would like chairs as well. I think it would be more entertaining to watch someone squirm in a chair due to some pointed question, than to stand there and shift from side to side. More body language in a chair
I have to agree with a lot of what was said of IQ's and test scores as well. You can train to score better on IQ tests, after all the questions follow a format, that is easy enough to replicate. Test scores or grade point averages can be highly dubious as well. These regimented styles don't lend themselves to artistic/creative/ingenious manipulations, which are certainly advantageous as a leader.
In leaders, I look for genuine self-less acts, consistency, and creative solutions that aren't constrained by a party doctrine.
Bush very well could be dumb. Or he could be playing the part. I'm positive that some portion of the Hollywood 'bimbos' aren't as moronic as they are portrayed to be. There's a certain innocence that comes with being naive and ill-informed that sells very well with good marketing techniques. And that's the most important thing I think to remember.
I think the fairest form would be a moderated debate with all questions coming from the audience. It's a little harder to script the answers, though not impossible. Someone who performs well has obviously prepared for such questions, and being at least knowledgeable about said questions would be a good start.
I would like chairs as well. I think it would be more entertaining to watch someone squirm in a chair due to some pointed question, than to stand there and shift from side to side. More body language in a chair
I have to agree with a lot of what was said of IQ's and test scores as well. You can train to score better on IQ tests, after all the questions follow a format, that is easy enough to replicate. Test scores or grade point averages can be highly dubious as well. These regimented styles don't lend themselves to artistic/creative/ingenious manipulations, which are certainly advantageous as a leader.
In leaders, I look for genuine self-less acts, consistency, and creative solutions that aren't constrained by a party doctrine.
Bush very well could be dumb. Or he could be playing the part. I'm positive that some portion of the Hollywood 'bimbos' aren't as moronic as they are portrayed to be. There's a certain innocence that comes with being naive and ill-informed that sells very well with good marketing techniques. And that's the most important thing I think to remember.
Dictatorship would fit better than anarchist.
Yet you have a good idea, sad fully its been tried, never worked.
These people rely on others to write for them.
How these people know what to write is beyond me.
.....an unrehearsed, no note debate.....might as well put them in Oz...
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Thanks Toni -
I have no idea why Bush isn't as slick as people seem to want him to be - it is as if he enjoys getting people annoyed so they aren't as sharp with him as they could be - asking the right questions from a calm demeanor. It could be something he learned from his advisors.
I shudder to think what some of the other leaders here would have done eight months into their presidency on September 11th.
Anyway back to Bush - I doubt he cares very much about his public personae - and seems comfortable in his down home hayseed style. It does irritate - especially the dapper Euros.
Thanks Toni -
I have no idea why Bush isn't as slick as people seem to want him to be - it is as if he enjoys getting people annoyed so they aren't as sharp with him as they could be - asking the right questions from a calm demeanor. It could be something he learned from his advisors.
I shudder to think what some of the other leaders here would have done eight months into their presidency on September 11th.
Anyway back to Bush - I doubt he cares very much about his public personae - and seems comfortable in his down home hayseed style. It does irritate - especially the dapper Euros.
LOL Scratch - they are already in OZ! ..... love it:lol:.
I am waiting for the day under hot studio lights for Pelosi's face to melt..... hee
Where are the Danish cartoonists when we need em???
Scratch
It may be what some of the political egos need here to lock them into reality!
It's a matter of looking for a laugh or weeping copious tears of frustration.
Ya dictatorship fits - thanks (from before).
Curio
It may be what some of the political egos need here to lock them into reality!
It's a matter of looking for a laugh or weeping copious tears of frustration.
Ya dictatorship fits - thanks (from before).
Curio
Hi Curio,
A good leader will say ..."come , follow me and I will make you a leader " --and do just that .
Had to say something .
Ha
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George Bush didn't serve in any army overseas, he was a poor member of the national
guard, and made a mess out of that too.
lw,
At least a tree has a purpose and serves us well.
The ones that are left anyway.
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Hi China
Yup what you said - the charismatic pull starts with the leader for the followers and they affirm - it is a group think - otherwise the leader would be a lone individual.
Curio
No, he isn't fit for the presidency, and why would anyone want to 'pretend' to look
like a moron in front of 300 million people, and the rest of the world.
What advantage is there in that, and all he has done is embarrass the u.s. citizen.
Which ever one of the candidates are elected, at least they can speak the english as it
was meant to be spoken, without slurring, and forgetting and 'not' pronouncing words
correctly. A president at least, should be able to do that.
I wonder why they are still fighting in Iraq, when bush announced years ago, on the deck of the carrier, that the war was over, we have 'victory'. What a joke.
There will be 'no' victory in this war, it is not even a war, is was an enslaught, which
recruited terrorists from all over the place, of which, there were none to begin with.
McCain, says they will stay there till they 'win', sounds like a silly bantam tournament
or something similar. It's lose, lose, for all concerned, but what is important, is how
many will die before someone with a 'reasonable' 'intelligent' approach, begins in a
proper manner, to bring the troops home, and help them manage that country without
killing, killing, killing.
The president who figures that out, won't have to strut around, saying "we won", so childish.
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Well, if the people didn't get 'sucked' into trashy stories, and believe them, without
any proof, maybe they could make sure a president is voted into office, for
legitimate reasons, and not 'lies' and 'made up' stories.
It's nothing more than the trashy 'rags' that are on the maazine racks, and it's always
so surprising to me, that those rags sell by the millions, and I don't know why anyone would
ever buy one.
Why do people pay more attention to 'lies and trash', than they do to 'good facts, and
good policies,' put forth by candidates, it seems people don't want to be bothered by that.
MlotI,
The world has morphed from facts to fantasy entertainment.
So sad but true.
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