How do you mess up good Canadian gun laws? Ask the Liberals

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How do you mess up good Canadian gun laws? Ask the Liberals



Eternally convinced that Canada’s gun laws are meant for revising, the Liberals, 25 years after they created the notorious imbroglio known as the long-gun registry, have decided to take another crack at it. They appear to have largely learned their lesson not to be ridiculously out of touch with the reality of responsible gun ownership. But not entirely. Some of the new rules are fine. Some are not. Some are just bizarre. Canada’s law-abiding gun owners still don’t trust the Liberals’ intentions, and there are reminders here as to why.


Altering the background checks that would-be gun licence holders (or current holders renewing their licences) must undergo is a suggestion most people will live with. Under the current rules, the past five years are subject to a background check; under the proposed legislation, the checks would stretch back for the applicant’s lifetime. Looking back further than five years is hardly unreasonable.


What is, is the choice to leave the RCMP entirely responsible for classifying guns into the three categories established by the Firearms Act, letting police decide which firearms will be subject to various levels of oversight and control.


Guns in Canada can be non-restricted (most rifles and shotguns), restricted (most handguns and some rifles) or prohibited (some handguns and rifles the government has deemed particularly dangerous, often with weak reasoning). Most gun licences in Canada cover only non-restricted guns; only a very few Canadians, who previously owned prohibited firearms, are permitted to possess a grandfathered-in prohibited licence. Changing a gun’s classification can therefore make it, with the stroke of a pen, much harder to access, even for valid licence holders. This reeks of a government trying to distance itself from public anger over decisions regarding firearms reclassifications (“Don’t blame us, the RCMP changed the rules!”) What other decisions regarding law enforcement regulations, not just operational execution, do the Liberals think should be left entirely in the hands of police? Our system relies on civilian oversight over police for a reason.


And then, there are changes that can only be considered bizarre. The Liberals will partially bring back a document known as an Authorization to Transport, or ATT, which owners of restricted guns will need before transporting their gun, in a secured container, to a legitimate gun show for display and/or sale, or to a gunsmith’s shop for maintenance. The ATT had been largely eliminated by the previous Conservative government, and made a condition of a valid restricted firearms licence. The Liberals are bringing it back in part (trips to shooting ranges will still be permitted without a separate ATT) for no valid public safety reason at all. It’s clearly just something they will claim as evidence of their efforts to tighten up gun controls. Technically, that’s true. But it is a tighter control that serves no end except that of Liberal political fortunes, and not enhanced public safety.


Yes, it could have been worse. It was expected to be worse. The Liberals have done much worse before. Their astonishingly expensive long-gun registry, despite massive costs and trouble for gun owners, never properly functioned. Its scrapping produced no detectable rise in the level of number of homicides committed with long guns. The average annual number of homicides with rifle or shotgun for the full 10 years before the long-gun registry was scrapped was 37.3. The average annual number of homicides with rifle or shotgun for the first four years since it was scrapped, all of the figures so far available, is 37.75.


And when the long-gun registry was established, this is the party that swore up and down that it was not a precursor to bans and confiscations, and then, in 2005, proposed exactly that. Down in the polls, then prime minister Paul Martin proposed a total ban on handguns, which would have been easily accomplished using the data that Canadians were told would not be used for precisely that.


So while these proposed legislative tweaks are so far muted, Canadian gun owners have been burned repeatedly by this party, and aren’t likely to believe the Liberals don’t have a hidden agenda in store somewhere. So far, gun-control proponents are clearly unhappy with these small regulatory tweaks and the addition of a few extra pieces of paperwork before one takes their Glock in for a tune-up.


The trouble is the Liberals’ incoherent position on guns. The party routinely shows itself disconnected from rural interests, but Liberals do know that gun control plays well with their urban base. They likely also can’t ignore the fact that gun crime is generally rare in Canada and that our system of gun control works well. So, for political reasons alone, they are back to meddling with a model that works, just to say they did. It’s the latest example of this government’s consistent problem with delivering on campaign promises that were made for reasons other than good policy. As with their embarrassing spectacle over electoral reform, the Liberals this week succeeded in proving with gun laws that there are a lot of existing laws that simply don’t need a progressive Liberal fix.


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Best article yet on the subject.


BTW, note the murder numbers for long guns during and after the registry.
 

Colpy

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2 years and you'll be saying "thank you Prime Minister Scheer."

I become increasingly convinced you're right.

Scheer has said he will throw out the ridiculous aspects of the Firearms Act, and base firearms classification as restricted or non-restricted simply on overall length, with full autos being prohibited.

Common sense.
 

petros

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He is a sharp guy. When he first came door knocking I thought "who the Hell is this kid"?

Then he introduced himself. 20 minutes later he had my vote.
 

White_Unifier

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Instead of a back and forth changing gun laws every four years, how about this:

"A person may not bearing arms except for sport or the defense of self or another. Should a person be charged with bearing arms for any other purpose and deny the charge against him, the onus shall be on the prosecutor to prove the unreasonableness of the defendant's understanding of 'sport' or 'defense.' If an average person could consider the accused's definition of 'sport' or 'defense' as reasonable, then the tribunal shall rule in favour of the defendant."
 

petros

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Like using a firearm in the commission of a crime law we already have?

You want cops to waste their valuable time doing roadside interogations?

Then Courts and tribunals?

YOU ARE THE MOST INVASIVE LIBERTARIAN ON THE PLANET.
 

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What is, is the choice to leave the RCMP entirely responsible for classifying guns into the three categories



It may seem so to you but to pretty much everyone else it seems ok.
 

Hoid

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Only idiots that enjoy the idea of a police state.

What part of "the RCMP making up law as they go along" do you not understand?
only egotists who have installed themselves as firearms experts would even care
 

Murphy

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Only idiots that enjoy the idea of a police state.

What part of "the RCMP making up law as they go along" do you not understand?

Ignore him. The kid likes poking people with a stick. Very immature.

Go to the mall, Waldo.
 

Johnnny

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only egotists who have installed themselves as firearms experts would even care

For someone who has only been part of Canadian Content for a brief period you sure have a hard on for Colpy, Walter, etc...

He is an expert here on the topic of firearms. He never installed nor elected himself to be the expert, he became the expert by being the most knowledgeable about the topic here and by being the "go to" guy for information.
 

Hoid

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For someone who has only been part of Canadian Content for a brief period you sure have a hard on for Colpy, Walter, etc...

He is an expert here on the topic of firearms. He never installed nor elected himself to be the expert, he became the expert by being the most knowledgeable about the topic here and by being the "go to" guy for information.
and thats why you are all climate change deniers.

because you are qualified to make that call
 

Murphy

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Waldo is a child and a liar. There are so many examples of his lies. What do you expect of a teen with issues?
 

Murphy

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I doubt that he is liked by anyone his own age. That's why he comes here. :lol:

In typical teen fashion, he loves to pretend that he's a grown up with years of experience. It's easy to see through that after reading his posts. That doesn't mean he'll stop. It just means that fewer and fewer people are paying attention to him. And attention is what he, and his Internet friend Flossy, want.

It's pathetic really. At his age, I was out having fun and doing things.
 
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