As I understand it, intensive interrogation is a euphemism for slightly milder forms of torture...waterboarding and such...coined by politicians so that they can say they support torture without freaking out their electorate...
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How Conservatives Feel About Torture
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As I understand it, intensive interrogation is a euphemism for slightly milder forms of torture...waterboarding and such...coined by politicians so that they can say they support torture without freaking out their electorate...
Nope.
Before the term was hijacked by Bush and company. It was used by the FBI and the military (Marines especially), to describe the interrogation practices developed and used to break Japanese POW's.
It's none violent, and far more effective than torture.
If I placed Liberal and Conservative foreign-policy planks side by side, there would be no visible gap. Remember the "independent" Afghan committee headed by that Liberal...what'shisname.
In the new world of terror, it is probable that time would be critical in some cases. Just think of the TO 18 and what the effects of those bombs would cause. Rush hour, thousands of pedestrians. Now add in all the shrapnel they wanted in these bombs so as to cause massive causalities.
Mean while the Police know it is going to ocurr - Then they read him - her their rights. And they lawyer up.
Next thing you hear is the explosion.
I think it's foolish. Torture works, but the trouble with it is that the tortured person will probably tell anything they think the torturer wants to hear whether it's fact or fiction. I think it's stupid to rely on information derived this way and likely why the CIA is wrong about things so much.
This really is a tough nut. Similar concept was was done with
information gained from the Germans at the tail end of WW2. Should
we use the info....or not...on ethical boundaries. I'm thinking of medical
knowledge gained through the abuse and murder of millions of people,
into genetic testing (the "twins" experiments) and Hypothermia testing
using many-many-many prisoners.
Priceless knowledge, but gained through torture and murder of millions.
Do we use this knowledge to save many, going forward, so that isn't a
total waste.....or not use the information becouse it was gained from the
use of torture?
We used the information....but the debate (from what I understand)
came close to tossing it all away due to how the information was
obtained by the "doctors" in the camps.
A US Battalion in Iraq, during the initial start of the War. Taking mortar fire. Captured an insurgent. Asked for info. Refused, the Col put a gun to his head and gave him a choice. The Col received the info as to where the mortars were located.
Yesiree it does not work.
Another one of Vic Toews brilliant ideas.. anyone see a pattern here?? His ancestory is German, what is he the offspring of Hitler?
So by that "logic" all people of German descent are Nazis? Another biggoted piece of crap to stand along side Machjo...
No I did not say that.. I said by the actions (brilliant ideas) of Vic Towes, he would be the bastard son of Hitler.
As far as all people of German decent being racist or Nazis.. I would hope not. I would have to label myself in that category then. My birth father is Wilhelm Vaugner (William Wagner) from Kitchener, Ont.
I say birth father, because he screwed around on his then wife and I was the product. Later given up for adoption.
My descent is German.. so by your claim, I am insulting myself.. :roll:
The only thing I inherited from my birth father, in my blood, was an insatiable appetite for many, many women..
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Top Interrogation Experts Agree: Torture Doesn't Work → Washingtons Blog
Only fools think torture works.
It works. The info gained by it just isn't as accurate as a lot of people seem to think.
"But a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out. One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment — including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times — repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity." - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html
Interrogation Experts From Every Branch of the Military and Intelligence Agree: Torture DOESN'T Produce Useful Information → Washingtons Blog
the next thing you hear is a drone tearing apart an innocent village or wedding party because some poor tortured victim told interrogators stuff they wanted to hear instead of the truth. have you ever heard the expression, "violence begets violence"? Terrorism begets terrorism. Who is terrorizing who?
Well start building your case then. I would prefer that we could definitively prove torture is absolutely pointless, but I'd rather have some documentary evidence that confirms it is unnecessary.
That would only belay their fun.... Then they'd be pissed 'cuz you helped in their trek to look foolish
I opened a thread for this question - some links for people to read, listen to Michael Ignatieff on the Lesser Evil and discuss. Not run off at the mouth - Not saying you are - or one that has a Conservative bias as the premise for the OP.
My opinion - the OP is just another slam the Cons when Libs and Cons have done the same.