How best to help the poor?

[Machjo]

There's a few of the rich who are as you say, but there are also a few rich people who got that way through studying hard, working hard and spending money wisely. I think everyone should strive to be rich (in an honest manner) Everyone is better off, as they spend money in the community and hire people. Anyone who says the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes hasn't studied the tax tables, not to mention having "a dog in a manger" attitude. If you notice, the poor people pay the lowest tax rates. I believe in the rich subsidizing the poor (up to a limit), but there is a limit.

And some rich do give alot of their money to charities, not because the government tells them to, but just because they appreciate the opportunities they've been given. Sure there are some bad apples, but I would trust most rich people to give as they please. Politically, that would likley not go well with many socailists, so I'd be wiling to compromise by at least letting them subtract donations from their income tax.

 

[Machjo]

Taxes are for slaves we will accept nothing but the wealth of equality. It's indicative of lax criticle thinking that many of us falsely believe that the rich are good for the economy and that they contribute to it while simultaneously raping and looting it. How is it that you actually believe the rich subsidize the poor. That could never be farther from the truth now than it has ever been. Just the exact opposite is true, that the poor subsidize the rich and the poorer they are the richer the wealthy live.
Just curious, JLM, you seem to begrudge the poor thier low tax rate. How about collecting body parts in lieu of increased taxes. But for you JLM we will spare all the honest rich we find.

There is much truth in what you say whereby some can make money out of their inheritance while others are plagued by bad luck no matter how hard they work.

And yes it's also true that various forms of systemic or systematic discrimination in the system itself can lead to money flowing from poor to rich.

This does not mean however that we need to demonize the rich. It's not necessarily the rich who'd creted this system. Instead of focusing on blame, why not focus on restructuring the system to make it more fair so that less money will flow from poor to rich in the first place rather than just depend on the rich always giivng their money to the poor.

yes, the por will always be with us, and yes the rich should always carry their fair share of the burden. But the trooth is, some rich are carrying their fair share of the burden and are payig taxes already. Unfortunately, government bureaucracy uses that money too inefficiently. Let those rich have more say in where that charitable money goes.

 

[JLM]

You just go right ahead and clog those arteries. But please foot the bill at the hospital too. I figured you'd be a meatie judging from the pudge o your avatar face.

Hey, you won't clog your arteries with three burgers a month, if you even think thoughts like that you are paranoid. Also I get lots of strenuous physical exercise, over 2 hours most days. My avatar is more of an indication of my obnoxious attitude, not my physical stature......................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Machjo]

Hey, you won't clog your arteries with three burgers a month, if you even think thoughts like that you are paranoid. Also I get lots of strenuous physical exercise, over 2 hours most days. My avatar is more of an indication of my obnoxious attitude, not my physical stature......................:lol::lol::lol:

Gald to see you have a sense of humour too:smile:

But you have no idea what you're taling about. If your arteries are hard as a rock already, of course you won't notice it. I can feel my heart pulsating at the sight of a picture of a burger on the internet:smile:

 

[JLM]

Gald to see you have a sense of humour too:smile:

But you have no idea what you're taling about. If your arteries are hard as a rock already, of course you won't notice it. I can feel my heart pulsating at the sight of a picture of a burger on the internet:smile:

I'm certainly no medical expert, apart from what my doc tells me, and I also know better than to never say never, BUT if my arteries were as hard as you suggest I'm pretty sure that given my level of physical exercise I'd be getting angina attacks. Any doctors on board here?

 

[Machjo]

I'm certainly no medical expert, apart from what my doc tells me, and I also know better than to never say never, BUT if my arteries were as hard as you suggest I'm pretty sure that given my level of physical exercise I'd be getting angina attacks. Any doctors on board here?

You probably are having angina atacks daily. You're just so used to them, you don't notice it:smile:

 

[JLM]

You probably are having angina atacks daily. You're just so used to them, you don't notice it:smile:

If that is true, that's good, I probably won't notice it when it kills me.

 

[lone wolf]

If that is true, that's good, I probably won't notice it when it kills me.

It's just like fainting....

 

[JLM]

It's just like fainting....

oooooooooh, I guess you had the "near death" experience.

 

[Machjo]

Oh but if I die, I want to go fast, with a bang.

 

[taxslave]

How about welfare for those that have a medical reason for not working and workfare for the rest? It wouldn't have to be difficult, cleaning the streets or a spawning stream, mowing lawns for seniors or something. Anyone too lazy to work can starve in the cold and dark for all I care.

 

[lone wolf]

oooooooooh, I guess you had the "near death" experience.

Code Blue.... Really near :-?

 

[Machjo]

How about welfare for those that have a medical reason for not working and workfare for the rest? It wouldn't have to be difficult, cleaning the streets or a spawning stream, mowing lawns for seniors or something. Anyone too lazy to work can starve in the cold and dark for all I care.

That's fine too. The point is simply that any person in need of help but who wants to work should have the right to do so, even if it's volunteer work initially. If references or other issues stand in the way, then we should vouch for them... within reason of course (pedophiles can't work in a school, for example) But definitely the least they can expect of us is that we help them remove barriers to work.

 

[JLM]

How about welfare for those that have a medical reason for not working and workfare for the rest? It wouldn't have to be difficult, cleaning the streets or a spawning stream, mowing lawns for seniors or something. Anyone too lazy to work can starve in the cold and dark for all I care.

Right on taxslave LAZY being the operative word.

 

[gopher]

If someone is willing to pick through garbage for empty bottles or stand for hours panhandling to buy a burger and a bottle of wine wouldn't it be better to give them a broom and push cart to clean for a couple hours so they can eat and get loaded? But no bottle til ya eat your burger.

If wealthy Christians sold all they had and gave the money to the poor as they are commanded to do by their Bible, the poor could buy lots of burgers and eat till their hearts are content!

 

[Machjo]

If wealthy Christians sold all they had and gave the money to the poor as they are commanded to do by their Bible, the poor could buy lots of burgers and eat till their hearts are content!

Yes, give to the poor, not necessarily to the government. Sure there's also give unto Caesar. The government does need money to operate. But as for the poor, I don't see why that money can't go from me to them more directly. For example, me to an organization to the poor (either through money, services, accommodation, food, clothing, education, etc.), rather than from me to the local tax collector to to the government to a national government office to a local one to another office with whatever's left finally going to help the poor in some ill-thought-out manner.

I fully agree that the rich need to help, I'm just criticizing the way some people believe that it can work only if first regurgitated through a government bureaucracy.

 

[Cannuck]

You just go right ahead and clog those arteries. But please foot the bill at the hospital too. I figured you'd be a meatie judging from the pudge o your avatar face.

Meat doesn't clog arteries. Excessive meat clogs arteries. I knew sooner or later your vegan propaganda would start.

 

[Cannuck]

If wealthy Christians sold all they had and gave the money to the poor as they are commanded to do by their Bible, the poor could buy lots of burgers and eat till their hearts are content!

As has been said, the bible does not command anybody to give their money away. You would know that if you actually bothered to read it. Of course, I've long given up expecting you to know what you are talking about.

 

[Machjo]

Meat doesn't clog arteries. Excessive meat clogs arteries. I knew sooner or later your vegan propaganda would start.

Problem with the internet. It's not always easy to tell when we're being serious and when we're joking. Just to clarif, I was being humorous in some of the posts above.

 

[JLM]

If someone is willing to pick through garbage for empty bottles or stand for hours panhandling to buy a burger and a bottle of wine wouldn't it be better to give them a broom and push cart to clean for a couple hours so they can eat and get loaded? But no bottle til ya eat your burger.

Good thinking there Petros, but there's just one problem, the people who do this quite often would rather do "their own thing" and as soon as someone sensible suggests something sensible they balk at the idea, that being one of the reasons they are where they are- NO DESIRE TO CONFORM.