How best to help Mexico?

How best to help Mexico?

  • Expand free trade and free labour movement agreements.

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • Introduce prison labour to those who cross illegally.

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • Reduce free trade and labour movement.

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Just continue with the current policy.

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

Machjo

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Who says helping Mexico wouldn't help Canada?

Good point. It wouldn't help Canada much, but a little. But it certainly would help the US. If you help others in your neighbourhood develop, they become less likely to rob you blind later, and maybe even give you a helping hand if you ever need it.
 

darkbeaver

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We cannot help Mexico, we are too busy helping Afghanistan and Hati. There's only so much help democraphicaly small country like ours can provide before we have to seek direct relief from the IMF as well. The value of democracy is best seen in its economic cost in these days. If you can't pay you simply can't afford it.
 

DurkaDurka

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I think prositution should be legalised, taxed, and regulated too. But you are saying that these illegal businessmen don't deal in arms, prositution, etc. now?

I don't have a problem with legalized prostitution either, but when you have large criminal operations involved it results in large scale exploitation & probably human trafficking.

These drug cartels probably have their hands dirty in a wide selection of crime, legalizing one avenue of it though makes it all the easier to launder their illegal funds though the legal one.
 

AnnaG

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I don't have a problem with legalized prostitution either, but when you have large criminal operations involved it results in large scale exploitation & probably human trafficking.
Is that what happens? The Legal Status of Prostitution by Country

These drug cartels probably have their hands dirty in a wide selection of crime, legalizing one avenue of it though makes it all the easier to launder their illegal funds though the legal one.
They already have routes of laundering. Why would they change them?
But anyway, at least a country could save by not chasing the weasels around trying to catch them at the drug biz and collect a few taxes from its sale. Maybe even regulate it so the impure drugs can't do as much harm. Obviously, chasing the weasels has done dick to improve things and as such, has just been a waste of budgets.
 

DurkaDurka

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Is that what happens? The Legal Status of Prostitution by Country

They already have routes of laundering. Why would they change them?
But anyway, at least a country could save by not chasing the weasels around trying to catch them at the drug biz and collect a few taxes from its sale. Maybe even regulate it so the impure drugs can't do as much harm. Obviously, chasing the weasels has done dick to improve things and as such, has just been a waste of budgets.



You think Mexico should just give up and declare the drug barons the winners? Do you think mexican citizens would agree to such an approach after the amount of blood spilled by these drug barons? Ultimately, this will be a problem that Mexico has to fix.
 

AnnaG

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You think Mexico should just give up and declare the drug barons the winners?
That is not what I suggested, so no, I don't think that. If you have something bad in your life and have a chance to turn it into something that at least gives you a little benefit, wouldn't you use it? Turn a bad thing into an asset.
Do you think mexican citizens would agree to such an approach after the amount of blood spilled by these drug barons?
If they see their lives improving because of it, I think they would like it legalised. After all, why has the blood been spilled if it hasn't been at least indirectly because of being illegal?
Ultimately, this will be a problem that Mexico has to fix.
It isn't fixable, obviously. With the resources the USA has, even it can't deal effectively with drugs.
 

The Old Medic

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Totally seal the border so that no person can escape from Mexico. Eventually, there will be a revolution, and the corrupt government will be toppled, the ultra rich will lose everything and the people will actually be able to run their own country.

Mexico has more than enough natural resources, and more than enough money, to develop itself into a first world country. There is no excuse for its people to be starving, suffering very long term unemployment, etc. But the government doesn't give a damn about the people and never has.

It depends on those illegals sending money back to their families. That is the 2nd largest source of income in the country.
 

ironsides

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What exactly can we do for them that we don't do now. We have created jobs in Mexico, other than throwing out their corrupt goverment there is very little we can do. Mexico is a very rich country, unfortunately only about 10% controls that wealth, very small actual middle class and the rest struggle to scratch out a living any way they can. (sometimes it runs against our laws)
 

ironsides

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That is not what I suggested, so no, I don't think that. If you have something bad in your life and have a chance to turn it into something that at least gives you a little benefit, wouldn't you use it? Turn a bad thing into an asset.If they see their lives improving because of it, I think they would like it legalised. After all, why has the blood been spilled if it hasn't been at least indirectly because of being illegal? It isn't fixable, obviously. With the resources the USA has, even it can't deal effectively with drugs.


This is another reason we can do little to help Mexico at this time. There is a war going on there.

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – At least 30 gunmen burst into a
[COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]drug [COLOR=#366388 !important]rehabilitation [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]center[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] in a Mexican border state capital and opened fire, killing 19 men and wounding four people, police said. Gunmen also killed 20 people in another drug-plagued northern city.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
 

The Old Medic

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The ONLY real solution for Mexico is to wall if off so securely, that it's people can not escape to the North.

Then, after a very few years, you will have another revolution, and the current ruling classes will be swept aside.

Mexico has more than enough assets to feed and clothe ist people adequately. Unfortunately, i tallows far too much of its wealth to be concentrated among a very small proportion of the populace, and it frankly doesn't give a damn about the rest of the people.

It only allows 6 grades of education free to the people, and not all of them even get that.

There are multi-billionaires in Mexico, while the common people exist on about 1500 dollars a year.

The government is so corrupt, and so uncaring that it depends on the illegal immigrants, and the money that they send home, as one of it's largest sources of foreign income. It taxes that income, and gives the services to the rich.

The really need a massive revolution in that country, and frankly to wipe out their "upper classes" entirely.
 

Bar Sinister

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The ONLY real solution for Mexico is to wall if off so securely, that it's people can not escape to the North.

Then, after a very few years, you will have another revolution, and the current ruling classes will be swept aside.

Mexico has more than enough assets to feed and clothe ist people adequately. Unfortunately, i tallows far too much of its wealth to be concentrated among a very small proportion of the populace, and it frankly doesn't give a damn about the rest of the people.

It only allows 6 grades of education free to the people, and not all of them even get that.

There are multi-billionaires in Mexico, while the common people exist on about 1500 dollars a year.

The government is so corrupt, and so uncaring that it depends on the illegal immigrants, and the money that they send home, as one of it's largest sources of foreign income. It taxes that income, and gives the services to the rich.

The really need a massive revolution in that country, and frankly to wipe out their "upper classes" entirely.


Sounds pretty awful. Isn't it interesting though how many of your points could be applied to the USA and Canada?
 

YukonJack

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How best to help Mexico?

Same way as the former Soviet Union and Iron Curtain countries helped themselves. Shoot on sight, ask questions later, if ever.

The only difference is that their method was to keep people in. The U.S. should use the same method to keep people out.