How best to help Mexico?

How best to help Mexico?

  • Expand free trade and free labour movement agreements.

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • Introduce prison labour to those who cross illegally.

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • Reduce free trade and labour movement.

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Just continue with the current policy.

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
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DurkaDurka

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As for special cases, no I'm not in favour of a special case for Mexico. I could see this applying at a global level. But why not include Mexico?

If Mexico is already included under our foreign aid umbrella, why do we feel the need to do more? Mexico's biggest problem is the drug trade, a problem they will have to attack from within.
 

Machjo

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If Mexico is already included under our foreign aid umbrella, why do we feel the need to do more? Mexico's biggest problem is the drug trade, a problem they will have to attack from within.

The Mexican drug trade spills over into the street of the US and I'm sure to a lesser degree Canada too.

Why do you think Iran had a few issues with the Taliban? Do you think it appreciated the opium crossing the border into Iran? Do you think they just said 'it's an Afghan problem'?

Problems that spill over are no longer one country's problems.
 

AnnaG

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For Canada it would be a little easier owing to the US as a buffer zone. In fact, since Canada has no real issue here, it would be more of a matter of Canada simply giving the US a helping hand.
I'd prefer to see Canada lend Mexico a hand. The States don't need it, but if they ask, then sure.
Concerning the drug trade, I agree with Liberalman. Legalise, regulate, and tax drugs here and help Mexico do the same. The US would eventually have to follow.
 

DurkaDurka

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The Mexican drug trade spills over into the street of the US and I'm sure to a lesser degree Canada too.

Why do you think Iran had a few issues with the Taliban? Do you think it appreciated the opium crossing the border into Iran? Do you think they just said 'it's an Afghan problem'?

Problems that spill over are no longer one country's problems.

It is still an internal problem to Mexico. Do you suggest we send over JTF2 commandos to assassinate Mexican drug barons?
 

DurkaDurka

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I'd prefer to see Canada lend Mexico a hand. The States don't need it, but if they ask, then sure.
Concerning the drug trade, I agree with Liberalman. Legalise, regulate, and tax drugs here and help Mexico do the same. The US would eventually have to follow.

legalize & tax coke and heroin? I think most people would have a hard time accepting that, seeing the social ills associated with the two.
 

Machjo

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Exactly, the desirable one's make it here or usually the US via legal means. I don't think we need avalanche of unskilled labour coming our way.

So are you saying unskilled Canadian labour is undesirable?

Oh, pity! Tea time!

Honestly, if we required them to know the local language, get a job offer online along with room and board, and be able to pay a return ticket before even coming to Canada, then they're probably among at least the Mexican upper-middle-class already anyway.
So we woudn't see a flood of migrant workers to say the least. However, free trade would allow those who can't come to find good jobs in Mexico itself.
 

AnnaG

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legalize & tax coke and heroin? I think most people would have a hard time accepting that, seeing the social ills associated with the two.
And keeping the stuff illegal doesn't perpetuate a social ill? I don't care what fancy remedy you come up with, people see the drug trade as profitable, even if they get caught sometimes and for a large portion of people, they see it as an escape from the ugly realities our society has created. Make it like a legal drug business like booze, and everyone would benefit.
 

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Virtually all the illegal Mexican immigrants are hired as butlers, cooks, drivers, etc, by wealthy Americans in places like Texas, Arizona, California These wealthy people created the problem for their own financial advantage and they should have to solve it. The Mexicans working for these people are paid a mere pittance but it is better than they could get in Mexico.
 

DurkaDurka

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So are you saying unskilled Canadian labour is undesirable?

Oh, pity! Tea time!

Honestly, if we required them to know the local language, get a job offer online along with room and board, and be able to pay a return ticket before even coming to Canada, then they're probably among at least the Mexican upper-middle-class already anyway.
So we wouldn't see a flood of migrant workers to say the least. However, free trade would allow those who can't come to find good jobs in Mexico itself.

We accept what we have when it comes to our citizens but we do have a choice of who we allow to come here.

Skilled Mexicans have no problem coming here. A personal anecdote, my brother-in-laws girlfriend. She came to Canada from Mexico with a degree in Psychology and wanted to further her career with senile- geriatric patients, she took a 6 month certificate at George Brown, received a job offer when it finished and is now working in her field. She didn't need anything special from the government nor did she have to go through hurdles to make it here.
 

DurkaDurka

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And keeping the stuff illegal doesn't perpetuate a social ill? I don't care what fancy remedy you come up with, people see the drug trade as profitable, even if they get caught sometimes and for a large portion of people, they see it as an escape from the ugly realities our society has created. Make it like a legal drug business like booze, and everyone would benefit.

and you think these cartels are just going to give up their highly profitable business?

The government & laws means nothing to these cartels in Mexico, which is evident by the killing of judges, soldiers, policeman etc.
 

AnnaG

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Virtually all the illegal Mexican immigrants are hired as butlers, cooks, drivers, etc, by wealthy Americans in places like Texas, Arizona, California These wealthy people created the problem for their own financial advantage and they should have to solve it. The Mexicans working for these people are paid a mere pittance but it is better than they could get in Mexico.
Yup. Unless they are into the drug trades.
 

AnnaG

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and you think these cartels are just going to give up their highly profitable business?
Why would they have to? They'd simply become legal businesses.

The government & laws means nothing to these cartels in Mexico, which is evident by the killing of judges, soldiers, policeman etc.
I disagree, if the courts, cops, etc. were nothing to be concerned about, the drug people would ignore them. I think the law enforcers are a major irritant to them.
 

DurkaDurka

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Why would they have to? They'd simply become legal businesses.

I disagree, if the courts, cops, etc. were nothing to be concerned about, the drug people would ignore them. I think the law enforcers are a major irritant to them.

Well, do you really think gangsters confine themselves to one kind of criminal behaviour? You can't really turn thugs into legit businessmen.
 

Machjo

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Virtually all the illegal Mexican immigrants are hired as butlers, cooks, drivers, etc, by wealthy Americans in places like Texas, Arizona, California These wealthy people created the problem for their own financial advantage and they should have to solve it. The Mexicans working for these people are paid a mere pittance but it is better than they could get in Mexico.

And I see no problem with that. If a Mexican who knows English gets a job offer from one of these rich people who's willing to guarantee him room and board and pay his flight ticket from and to Mexico, and he pays his taxes like anyone else and abides by all laws including minimum wage laws if applicable, then what exactly is the issue with this?

Or is it just the prestige factor, that they're not as glamorous as engineers?