How best to help Mexico?

[YukonJack]

Just as soon as Mexico enacts laws that would prohibit its citizens to flee to an other country, the whole world should step up and help Mexico.

Just as soon as Mexico will provide jobs to those who can see hope only breaking United States law, the whole world should step up and help Mexico.

Until then, though, screw them and let them help themselves.

 

[AnnaG]

Well, do you really think gangsters confine themselves to one kind of criminal behaviour? You can't really turn thugs into legit businessmen.

Really? It seems to me that a lot of Mafia did just that even if in the least it was simply to launder money.
Besides, what choice would they have? If you legalise their business, what's left? Scamming, tax evasion, etc. are what would be left and there are those around now anyway.

 

[DurkaDurka]

And I see no problem with that. If a Mexican who knows English gets a job offer from one of these rich people who's willing to guarantee him room and board and pay his flight ticket from and to Mexico, and he pays his taxes like anyone else and abides by all laws including minimum wage laws if applicable, then what exactly is the issue with this?

Or is it just the prestige factor, that they're not as glamorous as engineers?

That sort of labour could be filled internally methinks.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Really? It seems to me that a lot of Mafia did just that even if in the least it was simply to launder money.

So we would just be legitimizing one kind of crime for them to funnel the proceeds into other types, prostitution, arms etc?

 

[#juan]

And I see no problem with that. If a Mexican who knows English gets a job offer from one of these rich people who's willing to guarantee him room and board and pay his flight ticket from and to Mexico, and he pays his taxes like anyone else and abides by all laws including minimum wage laws if applicable, then what exactly is the issue with this?

Or is it just the prestige factor, that they're not as glamorous as engineers?

One problem Machjo is that they are illegal immigrants. so these employers think it is somehow just to not pay them a living wage. The Americans call it a Mexican problem but clearly it is an American problem created by Americans.

 

[Machjo]

That sort of labour could be filled internally methinks.

I'd rather help Mexicans by giving them work than have the government hand money out to them. And seeing that they're there illegally already, it would make sense to tax them at least.

For those who hire illegals put them into prison labour too. That would discourage them from hiring illegally. But then make it easier for Mexicans to work legally as long as they know the local language and pay their taxes, etc. That would also force locals to work harder too and expect more reasonable wages.

 

[Machjo]

One problem Machjo is that they are illegal immigrants. so these employers think it is somehow just to not pay them a living wage. The Americans call it a Mexican problem but clearly it is an American problem created by Americans.

Of course they should be punished for hiring illegals. All I'm saying is that laws could be modified to allow them to be hired legally in accordance with labour laws, etc.

 

[Libertarian]

We don't help Mexico. We don't help anywhere but Canada.

 

[Machjo]

We don't help Mexico. We don't help anywhere but Canada.

Not even through free trade?

 

[Machjo]

If you're a libertarian, then I'd think you're in favour of free trade, otherwise you're ot really libertarian, are you.

 

[Libertarian]

Not even through free trade?

Sure. If it indirectly benefits them.

 

[Libertarian]

If you're a libertarian, then I'd think you're in favour of free trade, otherwise you're ot really libertarian, are you.

I am a libertarian. But I don't think we should help any nation but Canada. I'm also a nationalist. Sure free trade will help Mexico. But only indirectly. We should spend $0 helping non-Canadian nations in my view.

 

[Machjo]

Sure. If it indirectly benefits them.

Who ever said that help must be of direct benefit. Are there not ways of helping people that will be of indirect benefit? And is that still not considered helping even if it's not of direct benefit?

 

[Libertarian]

Who ever said that help must be of direct benefit. Are there not ways of helping people that will be of indirect benefit? And is that still not considered helping even if it's not of direct benefit?

We already have NAFTA. But I am completely against expanding it into the Amero currency or the NAU (North American Union).

 

[Machjo]

Why does everyone always think that 'help' must needs be of direct benefit, or of a financial nature, etc. There are plenty of ways of heping via non-financial means, simply through more deregulation of certain sectors of society.

 

[TenPenny]

Quoting Machjo
And I see no problem with that. If a Mexican who knows English gets a job offer from one of these rich people who's willing to guarantee him room and board and pay his flight ticket from and to Mexico, and he pays his taxes like anyone else and abides by all laws including minimum wage laws if applicable, then what exactly is the issue with this?

I think that, if you go to all that trouble, it would be no cheaper than hiring Americans, so what's the point.

The whole advantage to illegal labour is that it's cheap, because you avoid all those nasty taxes and wage laws, as well as health and safety issues, and when you're done with the labour, you just give it the boot.

 

[Machjo]

I think that, if you go to all that trouble, it would be no cheaper than hiring Americans, so what's the point.

The whole advantage to illegal labour is that it's cheap, because you avoid all those nasty taxes and wage laws, as well as health and safety issues, and when you're done with the labour, you just give it the boot.

I agree to a degree. However, could we not at least give them that option? Sure there may be few who'd be interested, but there will always be exceptions, and those few exceptions would be that many fewer illegals not paying their taxes. I don't think we can pass one law to solve these problems entirely, but if we can find the right balance between carrots and sticks, we could come up with something effective. Even if one law removes a few illegals from the equation, that's that many fewer illegals to deal with, thus allowing law enforcement to focus on the harder cases.

 

[Machjo]

We already have NAFTA. But I am completely against expanding it into the Amero currency or the NAU (North American Union).

How do you reconcile nationalism with libertarianism. One wants to deregulate everything, the other wants to regulate the borders at least. Unless you mean libertarianism only within our borders and nationalism without?

 

[AnnaG]

So we would just be legitimizing one kind of crime for them to funnel the proceeds into other types, prostitution, arms etc?

I think prositution should be legalised, taxed, and regulated too. But you are saying that these illegal businessmen don't deal in arms, prositution, etc. now?

 

[AnnaG]

We don't help Mexico. We don't help anywhere but Canada.

Who says helping Mexico wouldn't help Canada?