How best to combine human rights with free trade?

White_Unifier

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There's been much talk about Canadian wanting Canada to impose a human-rights clause in any trade deal we sign with certain countries, but that forces Canada to make a choice between its moral position and its economic interests. How can Canada best find the balance between these competing concerns?

One idea I could see would be for Canada to invite all jurisdictions that adhere to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) to form an ICCPR-compliant trading block. Many jurisdictions adhere to the ICCPR (in fact, the ICCPR forms Hong Kong's Basic Law) while others like Canada adhere to at least the vast majority of its provisions (though the separate school system in the Canadian constitution is a notable violation among others).

Should all ICCPR-compliant jurisdictions gather to form an international free-trade block, then Canada could probably at least acquire an observer status as a state that almost meets its provisions. This could then allow Canada to negotiate trade deals with the block as a whole rather than with individual jurisdictions through consecutive bilateral negotiations that would take forever. While this could result in the trade block imposing some light penalties on Canada and apply pressure on Canada to also become ICCPR-compliant, it would at least allow Canada to much more efficiently negotiate trade agreements with respecters of human rights and so reduce the pressure on Canada to seek trade agreements with mainland China.
 

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There's been much talk about Canadian wanting Canada to impose a human-rights clause in any trade deal we sign with certain countries, but that forces Canada to make a choice between its moral position and its economic interests. How can Canada best find the balance between these competing concerns?

One idea I could see would be for Canada to invite all jurisdictions that adhere to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) to form an ICCPR-compliant trading block. Many jurisdictions adhere to the ICCPR (in fact, the ICCPR forms Hong Kong's Basic Law) while others like Canada adhere to at least the vast majority of its provisions (though the separate school system in the Canadian constitution is a notable violation among others).

Should all ICCPR-compliant jurisdictions gather to form an international free-trade block, then Canada could probably at least acquire an observer status as a state that almost meets its provisions. This could then allow Canada to negotiate trade deals with the block as a whole rather than with individual jurisdictions through consecutive bilateral negotiations that would take forever. While this could result in the trade block imposing some light penalties on Canada and apply pressure on Canada to also become ICCPR-compliant, it would at least allow Canada to much more efficiently negotiate trade agreements with respecters of human rights and so reduce the pressure on Canada to seek trade agreements with mainland China.


You don't!! Buy and sell as is profitable and stay out of their politics!
 

White_Unifier

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You don't!! Buy and sell as is profitable and stay out of their politics!

There's that option too. I can agree with that to a degree, but how do we keep China out of our politics? I'm for free trade with Chinese private businesses, but China won't have that unless we allow Free trade with China's state-owned businesses too.
 

Danbones

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Well, there you have human wrong
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but it was free

...and well worth that too.
 

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The problem here of course is that Canada would need to solve its own human rights violations as regards first nations.
 

darkbeaver

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I think a nice Holly-Would ballbusting movie starring a first class bunch of expert pretenders certainly would explain the benefits to a brain dead north american base.
 

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How about the government just staying out of it for once and letting businesses make their own deals and sink or swim on what they did.
 

darkbeaver

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How about the government just staying out of it for once and letting businesses make their own deals and sink or swim on what they did.

Yes of course but that's as superficial a fix as Free Trade, there is no such thing as free trade the correct term is fair trade. Freetrade is when the USA attacks a nation and steals its wealth. If you have a plan to separate Government from the Money in the west your days are numbered.
 

White_Unifier

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The problem here of course is that Canada would need to solve its own human rights violations as regards first nations.

I hinted at that in the OP.

How about the government just staying out of it for once and letting businesses make their own deals and sink or swim on what they did.

that's pretty much Singapore's approach. It will sign free trade deals with any country and human rights be damned. Singapore actually has a pretty good human rights record in its own right, but it just doesn't mettle in what it perceives to be other countries' internal matters.

Singapore has certainly benefitted from this financially given how it has a hgher per-capita GDP than Canada does!
 

Danbones

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Yes I agree. Stun gun batteries should not be consumed. It is not good.
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But them don't care.