Homeless, the invisible and forgotten population..

Angstrom

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Lets keep white male homelessness percentages ridiculously high. Because they aren’t allowed to whine, because of white supremacy.

Lets not address The alarmingly high suicide rates in white males because they dont get to whine because of white supremacy

Lets not talk about the very high work place accidents happening to white men because they dont get to whine because of white supremacy
 

spilledthebeer

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Lets keep white male homelessness percentages ridiculously high. Because they aren’t allowed to whine, because of white supremacy.

Lets not address The alarmingly high suicide rates in white males because they dont get to whine because of white supremacy

Lets not talk about the very high work place accidents happening to white men because they dont get to whine because of white supremacy

Why are there so many homeless? High rents, high taxes, LOW WAGES! And costly, stupid messes made by politicians who could not run a chip truck at a profit if you gave them the chips for FREE! Consider:

Well, that`s nice-Jackass John the Sorry Tory mayor of Toronto has managed to get his Silly Hall colleagues on side to support his Smart Track nonsense. And how significant is this `victory`? Not very important at all. One has only to consider the many ways not so Smart Track can be derailed! A frustrated public and an angry, embarrassed mayor have shamed city council into a sham show of purpose and activity that will last until the next election draws near and then all bets are OFF and anything can happen......or be CANCELLED!

First-Toronto only has 3.7 of the over 7billion in funding needed-and that chump change was supplied by Ontari-owe provincial LIE-berals....and have they ever reneged on a promise before? The current 7 billion price tag does NOT include for the usual 25-50 percent cost over runs habitually run by both TTC and Metrolinx. Nor does it include for the usual `discoveries` of items `forgotten` by Hog bureaucrats during the usually sloppy design process.

Premier McWynnty-The Great Whore who sold herself, her party and our Future to the civil service Hogs has a massive 15 billion dollar Ontari-owe deficit that she cannot reduce without breaking ALL her promises of grand new gravy for the civil service Hogs who put her into power and such neglect would destroy both her own career and the immediate future of her party.

Toronto has an image problem related to provincial LIE-berals. In exchange for slavish support of LIE-berals Toronto gets TEN DOLLARS per citizen in provincial transfer payments for every ONE DOLLAR that is given to 905 citizens. This gross disparity is becoming a sore point for 905 area and the next election may see this disparity MUCH reduced. Polls indicate that LIE-berals will not win the next election with The Whore in command-a new leader will be required if LIE-berals are to have any chance at retaining power.

The scale of public disgust with LIE-berals is such that even with a new leader, LIE-berals may be defeated or may only get a minority govt-depending on how many Hog voters abandon them. Any new govt will probably owe much of its support to 905 and beyond and there will be a strong temptation for a new leader to alter provincial transfer payments to better and FAIRLY support 905 at the expense of Toronto.

Further-any student of LIE-beral fiscal policy knows they are adept at cancelling some transfer payments and re-labeling the `old` money as something new-that is Toronto may find its budget reduced in one area so the province can `find` that new money for Smart Track-what it means is money shuffled from one account to another with new labels applied -but NO real new money-and Toronto on the hook for the shortfall.

Also, as we know, fiscally challenged LIE-berals have NO qualms about simply canceling transfer payments as needed-for THEM! One has only to look at federal LIE-beral Jean Chretien who reduced federal health care payments to Ontari-owe from 57 percent of the provincial total down to 17 percent and left Conservative Mike Harris to figure out how to fill the sudden new money pit!

Promises from Our brainless Boy-prime minister Justin Trudope are no more valid. He has already made it clear he intends ONLY to help maintain existing infrastructure and has no intension of funding anything new-like Smart Track. So Our Boy may be easily persuaded to reduce transfer payments for TTC repairs and re-label that money as Smart Track aid-leaving Toronto short yet again.

Further, it is an open secret amongst ALL politicians that the single largest voting block in the country are the 55 percent of Cdns who DON’T vote-ever! And Cdn politicians live in TERROR of that silent majority-what if they wake up ANGRY and decide to vote? They hold the key to power and most are pissed at ALL politicians-and Ontari-owe LIE-berals have been in power for a long time-AND are facing FIVE separate police investigations! With arrest of prominent LIE-berals already made in some cases. Will the silent majority register their disgust of LIE-berals in the next election?

The next largest voting block is that of civil service Hogs-one employed Cdn in three works for govt! An aspiring politician has two choices-go the route of Rob Ford and Mike Harris and Stephen Harper and appeal directly to the private sector-a risky and tough road. Or use BRIBERY to appeal to Hogs and float to electoral victory on a Hog gravy boat!

But the money and the gravy are gone and the electorate is ANGRY! The LIE-beral minded chattering classes were shocked by the Brexit and the repudiation of multi-culturalism. And now the chattering classes are shocked by Donald Trump and his victory. An honest Yankee polster confessed that polls now don’t work as they should-too many people have caller ID and cell phones-with only a smaller number of older people still using land lines-and actually ANSWERING phones! The pollster stated that with such a system its clearly become easy to overlook critical portions of the population and produce skewed polls!

So politicians now find themselves in a frightening place where there is no longer reliable information regarding the mood of the public. Voter turnout for Trump and for Rob Ford and for Mike Harris jumped significantly. Our LIE-beral leaders need those Hog votes but now cannot gauge how far to push our suddenly not so silent majority?

We know that The Whore MUST quit in the next year and clear the way for a new leader. We know that LIE-berals have made legal changes to election advertising to ensure that Hogs cannot do to LIE-berals what they have done to Conservatives That is-break the spirit and letter of election laws with massive hostile advertising against Conservatives. LIE-berals thought it was funny when Hogs used their massive pile of union dues to buy commercials that smeared Harper with LIES but they are desperate to prevent frustrated Hogs from doing the same thing to LIE-berals and others who are now blocking the path of the gravy train!

WE know-from TVO/The Agenda and the outgoing chairman of OSSTF pension management fund -the Ontari-owe high school teachers union fund-that they are DEMANDING FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in pension top ups-based on promises made by LIE-berals that they cannot deliver on. We know that Ontari-owe LIE-berals have made other promises amounting to something probably well over TWO HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS to the other 18 provincial Hog unions. We know from newspaper columns of 5-10 years ago that federal LIE-berals had made pension promises of over THREE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS to federal Hog unions-and that number has probably been climbing for a decade! What we don’t know is how many tens of billions or hundreds of billions of pension promises have been made by our municipal leaders to the Hogs.

This is the face of bankruptcy-worthless promises, endless weasel words, deceit and duplicity-with the careers of many politicians suddenly cut down in a wave of voter rage. Who can give assurances that Jackass John will have a political career or any public influence in 2 years? How many of his colleagues will be forced into retirement in the same election? We know The Great Whore MUST GO in the next year or risk leading her party to disaster. And whoever takes over as premier may find it expedient to drastically curtail provincial transfer payments to Toronto in order to curry favour with long neglected 905 area. And Our brainless Boy Justin has 3 years to figure out how to either make his foolish retread of the idiot Bob Rae/NDP plan to spend us rich with massive deficits, actually begin to function-OR he must admit he was an idiot and proceed to completely reform HIS political platform and turn himself into a fiscal Conservative or else he will be gone as well!

There will never be a Smart Track built or started in the next four years-there will only be a fine set of worthless plans for a merely half decent idea that was killed off and forgotten by bankrupt govt that needs every penny for its own survival and the hell with what the country needs!

Toronto has been discussing a downtown relief line for FORTY YEARS and done NOTHING! And now Jackass John and his pals figure they can get Smart Track up and running after a few hours of debate-with NO clear idea where they are going to get the money they need for their share of costs????

For those who are still optimistic about Smart Track -I point to the Shepard subway line-that was supposed to reach into Markham-AND to connect with the Downtown Relief Line......and how much of that was built before there was a change of govt? And how much easier will it be to kill Smart Track since NOTHING will be built before the next election?
 

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I dont know if im the only person who has this thought but everytime before sleeping and especially when it feels cold , i think about all the homeless people that have no place to go and are struggling to beat the cold , and i always want to go outside on that weather at 02 am and go watch them or maybe sit next to them and listen to their stories , and support them.
 

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I dont know if im the only person who has this thought but everytime before sleeping and especially when it feels cold , i think about all the homeless people that have no place to go and are struggling to beat the cold , and i always want to go outside on that weather at 02 am and go watch them or maybe sit next to them and listen to their stories , and support them.

Some of them really, truly need your help and compassion. An equal number of them want to kill you and eat your liver with fava beans and chianti. Be really careful out there. Seriously mentally ill people who used to be hospitalized but were abandoned by the provinces are out there with the run-away teenagers.
 

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Some of them really, truly need your help and compassion. An equal number of them want to kill you and eat your liver with fava beans and chianti. Be really careful out there. Seriously mentally ill people who used to be hospitalized but were abandoned by the provinces are out there with the run-away teenagers.
the homeless are equally divided into those you should help and those who want to hurt you?

that's quite a thesis
 

taxslave

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the homeless are equally divided into those you should help and those who want to hurt you?

that's quite a thesis

Not too sure about equally but there are plenty of both. There are also lots for whom it is a lifestyle choise. I don't know if that constitutes mental illness or not. But there are lots out there that need help, many that don't want help and lots that are beyond help.
 

spilledthebeer

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some of them really, truly need your help and compassion. An equal number of them want to kill you and eat your liver with fava beans and chianti. Be really careful out there. Seriously mentally ill people who used to be hospitalized but were abandoned by the provinces are out there with the run-away teenagers.

true dat!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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True not...

Go take your meds- you will then understand!

Here is an article illustrating all that is wrong with Silly Hall Hog benefits! With some comments of my own in brackets):

City workers' erectile dysfunction use 'extraordinary': Tory

By Shawn Jeffords, Political Bureau Chief. First posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 05:01 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 08:23 PM EDT

Taxpayers paid $1.9 million for city workers' erectile dysfunction

TORONTO - Mayor John Tory says he’s invited all manner of athletes to his office to celebrate their impressive achievements.

But he said he might have to roll out the red carpet for the city employees who claim to have used 500 erectile dysfunction pills in a year.

Tory called that level of apparent use of the pills — uncovered in an auditor general’s report — “extraordinary.”

(No kidding! But that`s how they roll down at Silly Hall- the atmosphere is unreal and the money is funny and nobody cares to pinch the pennies! Which is a main reason why Silly Hall Hogs have decided they NEED MORE SECURITY down there! It hints that their 2018 budget may cause a LOT of sound and fury amongst already over burdened tax payers! Either that or city hall Hogs are LYING to us about the threat of Muslim terror and do not want city hall staffers to be featured on the evening news in the latest Muslim atrocity!)

“I would perhaps even invite the person in for a visit,” he said. “But I would say that (usage) goes beyond what the citizens of Toronto would say is reasonable.”

Tory couldn’t resist having a little fun with the auditor general’s report, which found that the city paid out $1.9 million in benefits claims for erectile dysfunction medication in 2015.

“I was going to say it stiffens my resolve, but I shouldn’t use that word today,” he joked.

The report, which comes to the audit committee on Friday, raises “red flags” and recommends the city take “immediate action” to address what could be excessive claims to insurer Manulife.

According to the report from Beverly Romeo-Beehler, dozens of workers claimed more than the maximum annual dosage in a year. In all, the report makes 18 recommendations, which the auditor general estimates could save $900,000 a year and recover an additional $180,000.

(Too bad Jackass John could not come out and admit city staffers had likely set up a nice little side business SELLING the little blue pills to the public for extra cash! Such a cottage industry is apparently already operating within the ranks of retired Cdn military as they max out their supplies of medical marijuana! Govt weed may not be the best but the price is right! Injured military people are entitled to make claims beyond what is legitimate for Hogs but screwing govt for fun and profit should be reined in!)

Tory said if an investigation turns up evidence of fraud, the city should deal with it “on a very aggressive basis.”

“Anyone who is found to have defrauded the system should be dealt with very harshly,” he said, adding that could include termination.

“We cannot, in a circumstance where we are the trustees of the public’s money, allow it to be abused, whether it’s for Viagra or any other drug,” he added.

(Bold talk and EMPTY talk- how does one prove that there is a fraudulent use of the blue pills? Far better to admit the benefot is being misused and to END IT! Ordinary Cdns do not get such a benefit so why offer to Hogs? Other than they THINK they are entitled!)

The report also recommends the city cap claims on the pills at $500 a year. Deputy Mayor Denzil Minnan-Wong said that is a reasonable solution to prevent excessive use.

“I think, seriously, we do need to look at a cap. ... The city pays for these benefits, the taxpayers pay for these benefits and drugs that aren’t absolutely necessary shouldn’t be paid for out of the public purse,” Minnan-Wong said.

(NONE of this is necessary! Scrap it all and do something USEFUL with the money saved!)

sjeffords at postmedia
 

spilledthebeer

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Go take your meds- you will then understand!

Here is an article illustrating all that is wrong with Silly Hall Hog benefits! With some comments of my own in brackets):

City workers' erectile dysfunction use 'extraordinary': Tory

By Shawn Jeffords, Political Bureau Chief. First posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 05:01 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 08:23 PM EDT

Taxpayers paid $1.9 million for city workers' erectile dysfunction

TORONTO - Mayor John Tory says he’s invited all manner of athletes to his office to celebrate their impressive achievements.

But he said he might have to roll out the red carpet for the city employees who claim to have used 500 erectile dysfunction pills in a year.

Tory called that level of apparent use of the pills — uncovered in an auditor general’s report — “extraordinary.”

(No kidding! But that`s how they roll down at Silly Hall- the atmosphere is unreal and the money is funny and nobody cares to pinch the pennies! Which is a main reason why Silly Hall Hogs have decided they NEED MORE SECURITY down there! It hints that their 2018 budget may cause a LOT of sound and fury amongst already over burdened tax payers! Either that or city hall Hogs are LYING to us about the threat of Muslim terror and do not want city hall staffers to be featured on the evening news in the latest Muslim atrocity!)

“I would perhaps even invite the person in for a visit,” he said. “But I would say that (usage) goes beyond what the citizens of Toronto would say is reasonable.”

Tory couldn’t resist having a little fun with the auditor general’s report, which found that the city paid out $1.9 million in benefits claims for erectile dysfunction medication in 2015.

“I was going to say it stiffens my resolve, but I shouldn’t use that word today,” he joked.

The report, which comes to the audit committee on Friday, raises “red flags” and recommends the city take “immediate action” to address what could be excessive claims to insurer Manulife.

According to the report from Beverly Romeo-Beehler, dozens of workers claimed more than the maximum annual dosage in a year. In all, the report makes 18 recommendations, which the auditor general estimates could save $900,000 a year and recover an additional $180,000.

(Too bad Jackass John could not come out and admit city staffers had likely set up a nice little side business SELLING the little blue pills to the public for extra cash! Such a cottage industry is apparently already operating within the ranks of retired Cdn military as they max out their supplies of medical marijuana! Govt weed may not be the best but the price is right! Injured military people are entitled to make claims beyond what is legitimate for Hogs but screwing govt for fun and profit should be reined in!)

Tory said if an investigation turns up evidence of fraud, the city should deal with it “on a very aggressive basis.”

“Anyone who is found to have defrauded the system should be dealt with very harshly,” he said, adding that could include termination.

“We cannot, in a circumstance where we are the trustees of the public’s money, allow it to be abused, whether it’s for Viagra or any other drug,” he added.

(Bold talk and EMPTY talk- how does one prove that there is a fraudulent use of the blue pills? Far better to admit the benefot is being misused and to END IT! Ordinary Cdns do not get such a benefit so why offer to Hogs? Other than they THINK they are entitled!)

The report also recommends the city cap claims on the pills at $500 a year. Deputy Mayor Denzil Minnan-Wong said that is a reasonable solution to prevent excessive use.

“I think, seriously, we do need to look at a cap. ... The city pays for these benefits, the taxpayers pay for these benefits and drugs that aren’t absolutely necessary shouldn’t be paid for out of the public purse,” Minnan-Wong said.

(NONE of this is necessary! Scrap it all and do something USEFUL with the money saved!)

sjeffords at postmedia

It is the HUGE GREED of civil service Hogs and their LIE-beral allies who produce so many homeless! Consider:


Is it not amazing that YEARS have gone by and LIE-berals are STILL USING the same lame excuses! I got some nonsense from an arrogant civil service Hog who suggested that the best thing for dead broke Cdns was to work for govt like him! And now we have Barrie Ont LIE-beral mpp Ann Hoggarth telling us that any small business person wh could not pay the new LIE-beral mandated minimum wage is “in the wrong business”! Only in Canada! And here is what the old Hog said to me:
The civil service gravy train riding jackass tells any people who think he is grossly overpaid that the `whiners` should shut up and become government workers like him and then they can be fat and lazy and wealthy (and ignorant) just like all the other gravy train riders! Actually you CANNOT simply become a gravy train rider on a whim! Ontario Colleges (for example) have been training about 15000 aspiring teachers in each of the past few years……but only about 5000 graduates are hired each year-according to an article published a couple of years back in the Lie-beral loving Toronto Star newspaper……reality is there is simply not enough room on the gravy train for everybody!
Further, we are part of the global economy and our standard of living is dropping…..unless you are a gravy train rider in which case you are living VERY nicely on BORROWED MONEY! If government had a gun put to its head and were forced to balance the books within 6 months and STOP borrowing money, our economy would instantly face unemployment levels that would make the Great Depression look like a modest economic inconvenience! This is why math challenged Working Family Coalition is facing so much anger and so little support, regardless of whether they are teachers or nurses or cops or bureaucrats-their position just does Not add up!
Our cops are mostly pretty good people who have sadly shamed themselves by siding with Toronto garbage men who expect jobs for life, sided with teachers who don’t care if Johnny cannot read and are prepared to fight it out with any parent who doesn’t like their attitude, sided with water department workers who know that much of the city drinking water supply passes through sections of old toxic lead pipe and don’t do anything about it, sided with idiot Lie-berals who don’t understand how electricity is produced and have made vastly expensive changes to the electricity supply without regard to reason and logic. The gravy train needs to be derailed as soon as possible before it damages the country any further! In spite of what gravy train riding hogs believe, we are NOT immune to Greek style economic messes!
 

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It is the HUGE GREED of civil service Hogs and their LIE-beral allies who produce so many homeless! Consider:


Is it not amazing that YEARS have gone by and LIE-berals are STILL USING the same lame excuses! I got some nonsense from an arrogant civil service Hog who suggested that the best thing for dead broke Cdns was to work for govt like him! And now we have Barrie Ont LIE-beral mpp Ann Hoggarth telling us that any small business person wh could not pay the new LIE-beral mandated minimum wage is “in the wrong business”! Only in Canada! And here is what the old Hog said to me:
The civil service gravy train riding jackass tells any people who think he is grossly overpaid that the `whiners` should shut up and become government workers like him and then they can be fat and lazy and wealthy (and ignorant) just like all the other gravy train riders! Actually you CANNOT simply become a gravy train rider on a whim! Ontario Colleges (for example) have been training about 15000 aspiring teachers in each of the past few years……but only about 5000 graduates are hired each year-according to an article published a couple of years back in the Lie-beral loving Toronto Star newspaper……reality is there is simply not enough room on the gravy train for everybody!
Further, we are part of the global economy and our standard of living is dropping…..unless you are a gravy train rider in which case you are living VERY nicely on BORROWED MONEY! If government had a gun put to its head and were forced to balance the books within 6 months and STOP borrowing money, our economy would instantly face unemployment levels that would make the Great Depression look like a modest economic inconvenience! This is why math challenged Working Family Coalition is facing so much anger and so little support, regardless of whether they are teachers or nurses or cops or bureaucrats-their position just does Not add up!
Our cops are mostly pretty good people who have sadly shamed themselves by siding with Toronto garbage men who expect jobs for life, sided with teachers who don’t care if Johnny cannot read and are prepared to fight it out with any parent who doesn’t like their attitude, sided with water department workers who know that much of the city drinking water supply passes through sections of old toxic lead pipe and don’t do anything about it, sided with idiot Lie-berals who don’t understand how electricity is produced and have made vastly expensive changes to the electricity supply without regard to reason and logic. The gravy train needs to be derailed as soon as possible before it damages the country any further! In spite of what gravy train riding hogs believe, we are NOT immune to Greek style economic messes!

But it provides lots of good paying jobs for social worker degrees whose only other job skill is collecting welfare.
 

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Security robot bullied and forced off the street in San Francisco

Eleanor Gibson | 13 hours ago 1 comment
A robot patrolling a street in San Francisco to ward off homeless people has been removed after complaints from locals, who also knocked it over and smeared it with feces.

The Knightscope K5 security robot was deployed by the San Francisco branch of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) to deter homeless people from sleeping and loitering near its building.

But it was forced to take away the 400-pound machine as it was operating in the public realm without a permit, and threatened with a $1,000-a-day (£745) fine.

The K5's presence also angered the local community, who took to social media to complain.
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/12/13/k...obot-sfspca-san-francisco-bullied-off-street/

Woohoo! Screw the homeless! Save the animals!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Security robot bullied and forced off the street in San Francisco

Eleanor Gibson | 13 hours ago 1 comment
A robot patrolling a street in San Francisco to ward off homeless people has been removed after complaints from locals, who also knocked it over and smeared it with feces.

The Knightscope K5 security robot was deployed by the San Francisco branch of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) to deter homeless people from sleeping and loitering near its building.

But it was forced to take away the 400-pound machine as it was operating in the public realm without a permit, and threatened with a $1,000-a-day (£745) fine.

The K5's presence also angered the local community, who took to social media to complain.
https://www.dezeen.com/2017/12/13/k...obot-sfspca-san-francisco-bullied-off-street/


Woohoo! Screw the homeless! Save the animals!!!

Here is an article explaining why housing costs are so high and also warning us those costs will STAY HIGH thanks to LIE-berals and wanring us that we better get used to seeing homeless people on the street if LIE-berals get re-elected!

Yes-if it moves-TAX IT! Positive proof that LIE-berals cannot think straight!

Here is a nice story-courtesy of Financial Post- about how govt can screw things up by being greedy and taxing things excessively. Bankrupt Ontari-owe govt is frantic to find new revenue tools-instead of simply cutting back on spending. Seventy five percent of ALL govt spending is on civil service Hog salaries and pensions and perks but Hog greed is so huge that LIE-berals cannot shovel in the cash fast enough.

But LIE-berals CANNOT cut back on Hog salaries due to their need to BUY civil service votes with more gravy-hence the search for revenue tools even though the new tools will MAKE more problems than they cure. I include a few comments of my own in brackets):

Ontario tried a speculation tax on property, and the market ‘collapsed overnight’ © Provided by Financial Post

TORONTO — For 32 years, Barry Lebow has kept a scrapbook of one of the most traumatic business days in life.

There are some dates you always remember, and for the Ontario real estate industry it’s April 9, 1974. That is the day the province shocked the sector by announcing a 50 per cent land speculation tax.

(One may ask why this is relevant now and its because govt is considering an extra tax on vacant housing-use it or lose it. In addition, govt is considering an extra tax on `high end` houses. The govt idea being to curtail speculation-shades of 32 years ago-and to limit the amount of foreign money buying and speculating on Cdn housing markets.)

“We had no wind of this,” said Lebow, now 69, and still a Toronto realtor. “I was 23 years old and I owned 53 houses the day (speculation tax) came in.

“We were the largest home buyers in Toronto, my partners and myself. We had a company called WFE Developments. I went to bed a millionaire and woke up owing about $1.5 million the next morning.”

The governing Conservatives under Premier William Davis imposed a provincial tax, fully independent of any federal capital gains tax, which allowed for a 50 per cent tax on any land profits. Principal residences and family-owned farm lands were exempt.

“The market literally collapsed overnight,” says Bob Aaron, a veteran Toronto real estate lawyer. “At the budget that night, the government announced the Land Speculation Tax. It’s one of those days like September 11 or Nov. 22 when Kennedy was shot, there are some days you’ll never ever forget in your life. The date is seared in memory because my law practice collapsed. It was horrible. I had been out (of law school) for two years.”

(Some LIE-berals may immediately jump on this mention of Bill Davis and Conservatives as a way of suggesting poor management by the current generation of Conservatives as well-and so sorry it does not work that way. The modern Conservative Party owes its values to the much more logical Reform Party and to a more pragmatic approach to money management than the RED TORY donkeys led by the likes of Bill Davis and Joe (who?) Clark and who almost destroyed the Conservative Party before it hooked up with Preston Manning and Harper. Clark values are clear-when federal Conservatives joined with Reform, Joe Who informed us that all `proper` Conservatives should immediately join the LIE-beral party! What a Maroon! But that the Lie-beral Party for-home of all manner of losers including that arch imbecile and creator of Rae Days-Bob (Boob) Rae-and didn.t I hear that he ended up leading the LIE-beral party for some years? Every party has a few of these hopeless Rae types-even Conservatives-but LIE-berals collect them from ALL directions!)

Aaron said the market today — the average home price is up about 30 per cent over the past year in Vancouver and 16 per cent in Toronto — is not much different than it was then. “They wanted to cool down the market. It had been booming,” he said.

Four decades later, a speculation tax is one of the remedies government could turn to again. The idea has the support of Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson, who also favours a tax for owners of unoccupied homes.

(As usual LIE-berals don’t know history and do believe they are smart enough to avoid pitfalls that caught up other govts and are selfishly looking for REGULATORY tools that can be turned into REVENUE tools that can be used to BUY VOTES from HOGS! LIE-berals IGNORE just who it is that is buying houses-they do not wish to admit that it’s the civil service Hogs and their well heeled kids who are buying the houses.)

(Maclean`s Magazine did a piece a while back about the amount of money being supplied by parents-read Hogs-to the kids to get them into the housing market. The quickest and cheapest way to avoid a housing bubble is simply to CUT BACK ON HOG GRAVY! Less gravy for Hogs means less money for houses generally-meaning also that people will save more for a down payment-and isn’t our LIE-beral govt TRYING to get us to save more?)

(And it would not hurt to do as the Yankees do and charge a surtax on foreigners! If they want to play in our house market let them pay-it works for Yankees so Yankees cannot complain about discrimination! And another reason for sky high house prices is the TOTAL LACK of new public transit! Traveling anyplace in our major cities is becoming a nightmare-Cdns ALREADY have the longest commutes of any people on the planet and its getting ever WORSE!)

(If LIE-berals would actually follow through on ANY of their transit promises then house prices would fall somewhat as people resumed their migration to suburbs. But oh wait-LIE-berals DON’T WANT US IN SUBURBS-LIE-berals have decided that it is best to CRAM another MILLION people into Toronto! Jam them into 5-8 story buildings and SAVE BIG on roads and transit to suburbs-meaning MORE GRAVY for HOGS!)

Federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau has announced a working group will be formed of federal officials, provincial representatives from Ontario and British Columbia and municipal counterparts in Toronto and Vancouver to look at the growing issue of housing affordability.

Critics have called for limits on foreign ownership, while others say tighter lending rules are needed to slow down the market, including shorter amortizations that would force consumers to qualify for mortgages based on a much higher interest rate than is currently in the market and a reduction in the ratio of mortgage debt relative to income that banks use to assess borrowing capacity.

(What all these dorks are ignoring is that each of their tools will promote MORE INFLATION-higher house costs translates into GREATER HOG DEMAND for gravy! Higher interest rates will reduce house prices but WILL increase profits to our already disgracefully fat cat bankers! Of course bankers will then increase stock dividends to their creditors-most of whom happen to be HOGS! And the kids will be just as indebted as before! It all comes back to grossly entitled HOGS sucking up ALL the cash!)

Would a speculation tax reign help cool specific housing markets? And what are the ramifications? “You really have to proceed carefully, you don’t want to blunder into anything that tips the markets,” said Doug Porter, chief economist with Bank of Montreal.

(That guy Porter is sharp-he vaguely realizes that govt isn’t quick thinking on its feet or anyplace else for that matter-one little detail being missed by the LIE-beral panel is that house speculators usually purchase and GUT older houses and insulate them to higher standards-and isn’t that what LIE-berals WANT? Their environmental concerns demand a smaller carbon footprint and reduced heating costs to meets that standard! LIE-berals are going in circles trying to do ANYTHING EXCEPT reduce the gravy going to HOGS!)

Porter suggests “I think they should consider a proposal coming out of British Columbia to increase property taxes especially on high-end houses and make the tax deductible from income taxes. It’s revenue-neutral and discourages people from loading up on extra houses and hits the foreign investor.”

(Again-LIE-berals are monkeying with the market-implement such a tax and immediately higher end house values PLUMMET-with resulting lawsuits as govt has PICKED THE POCKETS of `high end` property owners! And who will decide what house qualifies as high end? We already know that LIE-berals don’t want to upset their Hog pals on the Sunshine List! Hit high end Hogs with new taxes and you hit the need for MORE GRAVY as well!)

Porter believes a speculation tax is probably his next choice, but he’s not sure how it would play and wonders what the impact might be on domestic buyers.

Talk to those old enough to remember the Ontario tax and you get divided opinion on whether going after speculators actually worked.

Toronto housing prices were rising fast by 1973. According to the Toronto Real Estate Board, the average sale price of a home in 1972 was $32,513. A year later, prices had climbed 25 per cent. Even after the speculation tax was brought in — it received royal assent on June 3 — prices would still finish up 30 per cent for all of 1974.

Arthur Meen, Ontario’s minister of revenue at the time, had made it clear the tax was aimed at speculators and people who added “no real value” to land other than to flip it.

“The Land Speculation Tax is a first in North America,” Meen said with pride in August of 1974. “It is pioneering and innovative legislation. It is my feeling Ontario is setting an example for other jurisdictions to follow.”

All Aaron can remember are the calls from buyers begging to get out of every deal while every seller demanded a deal be kept alive. He said litigation from the era went on for years, related to people backing out on deals. The Ontario government eventually lowered the speculation tax to 20 per cent because Ottawa would not allow the tax as a deduction against capital gains. But for the rest of the 1970s house price increases in Toronto remained under double-digits annually.

(House price increases were modest in the later part of 1970`s-and gee-that might have been due to OPEC and the end of the oil embargo making it cheaper to commute to cheaper suburbs than in previous years? And the appearance on our roads of gas sipping Civics and Corollas made commuting easier too-encouraging a move to low cost suburbs as people dumped their gas guzzling Detroit Iron .)

Looking back, Davis, now 86, feels his speculation tax was justified at the time, but he says it really has no relation to what is happening in the housing market today.

(In other words it was LIE-beral style feel good but do nothing practical type bullshit!)

“It really was a case of four or five players, a few major developers. It was quite different than what is going on today,” Davis said in an interview, while offering no opinion of whether today’s housing market needs government controls. “We looked out 10 years and we saw it had the potential of escalating values beyond what really made sense.” His government repealed the tax in 1978.

Davis doesn’t recall a major collapse in prices and suggests those who do “are probably the ones who were speculating” at the time.

(What it all means is that if slapping new revenue tools on the market does not kill it then it wasn’t alive in the first place! Davis and Joe Who Clark are RED TORY`s and a disgrace to true Conservatives! They are too dumb to recognize that they are LIE-beral `light` in philosophy! Red Tories and jackass LIE-berals are ruining our economy with their insane need for `new revenue tools`!)

Lebow remembers things differently and says today’s housing market won’t die on its own, but will be killed by some kind of government measure that over reaches. “In the end the government (in the 1970s) didn’t have to do anything because mortgage rates went up to 12 per cent and the market died by natural consequences,” he says.

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FACEPLANT much/ heh?

HERE is another reason there is no money for homeless- that LIE-berals are creating:


Here is a fine article illustrating ALL that is wrong with our legal system; along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Attorney general orders probe of Legal Aid Ontario.
Toronto Star. Jacques Gallant - Legal Affairs Reporter

The attorney general has ordered a third-party review of Legal Aid Ontario, after the agency announced last month that it was dramatically cutting back on services due to a $26-million deficit.

(Here is a WASTE of money-a third party review to determine-WHAT? That we have a LOT of drug addled criminals in Ontari-owe-and that a bunch of them are repeat offenders that have been through the system MULTIPLE times and have yet to be rehabilitated, nor have they been punished and deterred from a life of crime and they certainly have not been locked up for a long time to protect the public and minimize repeat offences!)

Yasir Naqvi will be bringing in an external firm to review the arm’s-length government agency’s budget forecasting methodology, decision-making procedures related to budget management, and Legal Aid’s plan to balance its budget.

The firm’s report must be delivered to Naqvi and John McCamus, chair of the Legal Aid board, by March 31, and will be made public “shortly after,” Naqvi said in a statement.
David Field, CEO of Legal Aid Ontario, has said he would welcome an external audit of the organization. © Carlos Osorio David Field, CEO of Legal Aid Ontario, has said he would welcome an external audit of the organization.

“As Attorney General, I am concerned and want to ensure that Legal Aid Ontario is positioned to address its financial challenges in a way that will not impact the delivery of front-line legal services.”

Legal Aid’s decision to cut back on services could potentially affect thousands of Ontarians. While the agency will still issue legal aid certificates — which cover a person’s legal fees — for criminal defence lawyers in cases where there is a “substantial likelihood of incarceration,” it will generally no longer do so in other matters.

That means that impoverished individuals who may not be facing jail time but could be deported, fired or slapped with a hefty fine if they are convicted — and get a criminal record in the process — will be left to fend for themselves in court.

Legal Aid, which has a $440-million annual budget, said it will also not increase salaries at legal clinics and will be reducing clinic operation budgets by $1 million, among other changes.

The agency’s president and CEO, David Field, told the Star in an interview in December that he would welcome an external audit, saying he was “very confident” in Legal Aid’s financial situation. He reiterated that position to the Star in a statement Friday.

“We welcome the opportunity to confirm that our plan will address the deficit,” Field said.

“We appreciate the Attorney General’s interest in the matter and welcome the opportunity to work with the Ministry of the Attorney General and to review our process and its projections to ensure that low-income Ontarians will continue to receive the high-quality services they need.”

News of the external review was applauded by critics who have described Legal Aid as a bloated bureaucracy that mishandled the hundreds of millions of dollars it receives from the provincial government, something Field has denied.

“We commend the Attorney-General for his quick action in having Legal Aid’s actions audited in light of Legal Aid’s current deficit,” said Anthony Moustacalis, president of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association.

“For the last six years, Legal Aid has been mismanaging the public trust, and abusing its independence by going on a massive lawyer and staff hiring program. They did so because of an unwarranted fear that the Criminal Lawyers’ Association would tell criminal lawyers to stop taking legal aid cases.”

Margaret Parsons, executive director of the African Canadian Legal Clinic, said she wants the external review to consult with stakeholders including her clinic, and hopes that the review will also look at past deficits at Legal Aid.

“(Legal Aid) needs to be held to the same standard that it has held some clinics, and they can't eliminate their massive deficit on the backs of poor people by the elimination or cutting back of services,” she said.

Despite its deficit, Legal Aid still plans to raise the household-income threshold to qualify for legal aid by six per cent starting in April. The threshold for a single person with no dependants is currently around $13,000 — long criticized as far too low and not reflective of the face of poverty in Ontario.