Holocaust survivors condemn Israel's Gaza 'genocide'

[Tecumsehsbones]

It is not disagreeing with me that makes them Jew-haters.

It is smearing the only democracy in the area with an accusation that is not only ludicrous, but absolutely offensive when aimed at a people that have undergone 1,000 years of REAL genocide after genocide after genocide.

Is it bigoted and anti-American if I call the U.S. actions toward Indians as genocide, Colpy? Is it bigoted only when you accuse a democracy of genocide?

For what it's worth, I agree that if Israel's goal is genocide, they're doing it in a surprisingly ineffective manner. Occam's Razor would suggest that it ain't genocide.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Very odd type of "genocide"., don't you think???

It's ok they didn't kill them, only made them homeless..

And to further answer DaMoron's idiotic question, the IDF phoned the residents and notified them most likely, that's how these "knock on the roof" things work.. so there was time to set up a camera.. but not sure what this accomplishes because if there is a Hamas member inside he will also escape when noticing the ensuing panic.. it's obviously really stupid and accomplishes nothing but making civilians homeless.

 

[Colpy]

Is it bigoted and anti-American if I call the U.S. actions toward Indians as genocide, Colpy? Is it bigoted only when you accuse a democracy of genocide?

For what it's worth, I agree that if Israel's goal is genocide, they're doing it in a surprisingly ineffective manner. Occam's Razor would suggest that it ain't genocide.

The accusation is not ludicrous because they are a democracy.

The accusation is ludicrous because it flies in the face of the facts, including casualty numbers in 7 weeks of war, IDF efforts to avoid civilian casualties, the amazing growth of population in Gaza, and the fact that the life expectancy at birth in Gaza is HIGHER than in either Egypt or Jordan.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Israel knows it's a dumb strategy but they do not care. This is their goal, to inflict misery on the civilians..

 

[Colpy]

It's ok they didn't kill them, only made them homeless..

And to further answer DaMoron's idiotic question, the IDF phoned the residents and notified them most likely, that's how these "knock on the roof" things work.. so there was time to set up a camera.. but not sure what this accomplishes because if there is a Hamas member inside he will also escape when noticing the ensuing panic.. it's obviously really stupid and accomplishes nothing but making civilians homeless.

So you think the IDF should just strike without warning......

Actually, the IDF is killing lots of Hamas.

 

[Blackleaf]

For what it's worth, I agree that if Israel's goal is genocide, they're doing it in a surprisingly ineffective manner.

No, swivel-eyed anti-Semite. Genocide is Hamas's goal. It's in the racist Hamas Covenant that they should kill all Jews (and that's EVERY Jew in the world, not just those in Israel).

“The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’”


Article 13 of the Hamas Charter states that there is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the ONLY answer.

“Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”

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[Tecumsehsbones]

The accusation is not ludicrous because they are a democracy.

Thank you. That's what I was hoping for clarification on.

The accusation is ludicrous because it flies in the face of the facts, including casualty numbers in 7 weeks of war, IDF efforts to avoid civilian casualties, the amazing growth of population in Gaza, and the fact that the life expectancy at birth in Gaza is HIGHER than in either Egypt or Jordan.

While I'm not as sanguine as you about the IDF, I agree that the facts are inconsistent with genocide.

 

[gore0bsessed]

I don't think they should strike civilian areas at all.. there are over 400 dead children as a result of Israel's carelessness.

 

[Colpy]

I don't think they should strike civilian areas at all.. there are over 400 dead children as a result of Israel's carelessness.

That would be nice, but it is impossible, as Hamas hides among the civilians.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Israel just uses that as an excuse for the civilian casualties they've caused. When their retaliation comes a day later they aren't too concerned if they hit a Hamas member or civilian.

 

[MHz]

Israel's whole strategy is to target civilians and the infrastructure, it's quite blatant. Yes, rockets may have been fired from those civilian areas, but Israel is responding as long as 24 hours afterwards when the perpetrators are long gone and only innocent civilians are in the area. You don't think Israel knows this? How is this even an intelligent strategy? Well it's not but that doesn't matter, because the goal is to leave Gaza in rubble and inflict much civilian misery as possible.

In reality most of the time the response is miles away and at a fast enough rate that the targets were selected before any 'attack'.

While I'm not as sanguine as you about the IDF, I agree that the facts are inconsistent with genocide.

The goal is to clear all of Gaza of Arabs, if they would run away that would suit Israel, if not then kill them off at a slow enough rate that the world doesn't rise up in a mob action against them. There are enough crimes that they should have been spanked a long time ago. That they weren't means their crimes are shared by the US and Canada for not speaking out against it.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Arab-Palestinians that agree to Zionist rule are ok with Israel, that's why you see them living generally well in Israel. It's the ones that want rights to their own lands and not live under Israeli occupation are the ones that need exterminating

 

[MHz]

It is not disagreeing with me that makes them Jew-haters.

It is smearing the only democracy in the area with an accusation that is not only ludicrous, but absolutely offensive when aimed at a people that have undergone 1,000 years of REAL genocide after genocide after genocide.
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Egypt has elections, Lebanon has elections, Syria has elections, Turkey has elections, Iran has elections.
Saudi, Bahrain,Qatar (Israel's friends in the area) do not have elections. Israel only holds election if Arabs in exile don't get a vote.

When genocide is used in context it has to include every man, woman and child when referencing Gaza yet genocide with Jews is an exile and nothing more or can they be killed in total time after time after time? 5.2M Arabs in exile today is a bigger number than Jews displaced in WWII.

Are you saying the exile from England in 1290 (for 350 years) was an unjustified act? (Jewish bankers and usury)

 

[#juan]

It is not disagreeing with me that makes them Jew-haters.

It is smearing the only democracy in the area with an accusation that is not only ludicrous, but absolutely offensive when aimed at a people that have undergone 1,000 years of REAL genocide after genocide after genocide.

It is a blatant attempt to instill Jew-hatred in the minds of the ignorant.

"Palestine" was NEVER a country. The area you call Palestine was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years, and then, after World War One, by Britain and France. Most of the nations in the area between Turkey and Egypt are constructs established by those two nations redrawing the map..........and the Jews were promised a nation as well.

I guess if the Arabs wanted Israel to remain tiny and peaceful, they shouldn't have invaded them immediately on the creation of the nation, and they shouldn't have tried to wipe them out over and over.

The Golan Heights were won with blood in a defensive war, and are essential to the security of Israel. Had Israel not held the Golan Heights in 1973, the nation would have ceased to exist.

Why is it OK for European nations to redraw the map of the world for convenience based on military victory, but forbidden for Israel to claim land essential to their survival?? Israel exists on 0.67% of the Arabian Peninsula..........the other 99.3% is ARAB, and that entire Peninsula is only a part of the Muslim world.

I'll tell you what goes on in the refugee camps. The ARABS treat the refugees like dirt, many countries refusing to allow then to own land, live outside the refugee camps, practice many professions....in other words, the ARABS practice the very "apartheid" that Israel is accused of..........while Arab Israelis enjoy full legal rights.

Oh, and after 1948 an equal number of Jews (750,000 at least) were driven from Muslim nations. Where are their refugee camps??
Where is the UN agency devoted to their well-being?? What about their "right of return"??

The fact is that the Israelis are the good guys, our allies, the frontier of western civilization in a land of psychotic Islamist looney states .

In 1948 David Ben Gurion said Israel would never be satisfied with Part of Palestine. He wanted all of it....and more. Golda Meir said there is no Palestine. I have a high school atlas that has a map of Palestine so somebody is getting screwed here....The Palestinians.....again.

 

[B00Mer]

Arab-Palestinians that agree to Zionist rule are ok with Israel, that's why you see them living generally well in Israel. It's the ones that want rights to their own lands and not live under Israeli occupation are the ones that need exterminating

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Your account hijacked ?? LOL

 

[MHz]

Did your doorbell just ring?

 

[#juan]

ISTANBUL - Turkish shipbuilder Karadeniz Holding plans to send an electricity generating vessel to Gaza to provide urgently needed power in the enclave left reeling by an Israeli bombing campaign that began last month.

I hope they don't bomb the ship as well.

 

[darkbeaver]

Israel is not a democracy





Palestinian MPs accuse Israel of unprecedented crackdown ...

www.reuters.com/.../us-mideast-gaza-parliament-idUSKBN0GM1IM201...
2 days ago - Of the 84 MPs elected to the Palestinian parliament from the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2006, 36 are in Israeli jails, two-thirds of them ...

 

[gore0bsessed]

to be fair, there is no real democracy in existence. that would require socialism.

 

[Colpy]

to be fair, there is no real democracy in existence. that would require socialism.

Good Lord!!

Have you been struck on the head?/

Socialism is the antitheses of liberty, and thus the enemy of democracy.