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BaalsTears

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Yeah. LBJ was a leftist.

LBJ was in the FDR, HST, JFK, Hubert Humphrey, Sam Nunn, and Scoop Jackson school of domestic policy once embraced within the tradition of the Democratic Party. However, LBJ sowed the seeds which have grown into a toxic ideology progressively embraced by the Democratic Party since the Vietnam War era. The old Democratic Party embraced the concept of social justice while at the same time subscribing to the concept of American greatness.

Keep it rollin', BT. You're a hoot!

You're easily amused. You're also a social justice sort of guy who doesn't believe that all things are finite. Unfortunately, you conceive of social justice in a zero sum sort of way...perhaps unwittingly. That's a hazard when one's credentials exceed one's knowledge.

Oh, and by the way, the evidence that you think the War on Poverty was all about blacks lies in the fact that you didn't ask about non-black single mothers, a statistic that has also increased dramatically over the last 50 years.

The federal govt. has created many victims. There is a difference in magnitude of victimhood among Whites and Asians and Latinos. However, each of those groups differs from Blacks in kind because the federal govt. has destroyed the Black family.

"...[T]he birthrate among single mothers...varied along...educational, socioeconomic and racial [lines in 2013]. Sixty-eight percent of black women who had given birth in the past year were unmarried, compared to 11 percent of Asian women, 43 percent of hispanics and 26 percent of non-Hispanic whites...."

http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-21.pdf

Others have stated that the rate of single motherhood among African Americans is seventy three percent for mothers under thirty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/u...cur-outside-marriage.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In 1960 the rate of single motherhood among Blacks was about 25%.

Children born to single mothers are likely to live in poverty all of their lives. African America is unlike all other groups because the majority of Black children are born to single mothers and will live perpetually in poverty. As such they will live lives of dependence never knowing personal autonomy. A life without personal autonomy is not worth living.

But you're clearly not concerned about that.

Is that all you got?

Nowadays it's a cultural phenomenon, since the law requires equal treatment. But when whites get all upset and defensive about it, I just remind them of exactly who it was who instituted racial classification and differential treatment under law in the first place.

You're a zero sum sort of guy.
 

JLM

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

LBJ was in the FDR, HST, JFK, Hubert Humphrey, Sam Nunn, and Scoop Jackson school of domestic policy once embraced within the tradition of the Democratic Party. However, LBJ sowed the seeds which have grown into a toxic ideology progressively embraced by the Democratic Party since the Vietnam War era. The old Democratic Party embraced the concept of social justice while at the same time subscribing to the concept of American greatness.



You're easily amused. You're also a social justice sort of guy who doesn't believe that all things are finite. Unfortunately, you conceive of social justice in a zero sum sort of way...perhaps unwittingly. That's a hazard when one's credentials exceed one's knowledge.



The federal govt. has created many victims. There is a difference in magnitude of victimhood among Whites and Asians and Latinos. However, each of those groups differs from Blacks in kind because the federal govt. has destroyed the Black family.

"...[T]he birthrate among single mothers...varied along...educational, socioeconomic and racial [lines in 2013]. Sixty-eight percent of black women who had given birth in the past year were unmarried, compared to 11 percent of Asian women, 43 percent of hispanics and 26 percent of non-Hispanic whites...."

http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-21.pdf

Others have stated that the rate of single motherhood among African Americans is seventy three percent for mothers under thirty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/u...cur-outside-marriage.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In 1960 the rate of single motherhood among Blacks was about 25%.

Children born to single mothers are likely to live in poverty all of their lives. African America is unlike all other groups because the majority of Black children are born to single mothers and will live perpetually in poverty. As such they will live lives of dependence never knowing personal autonomy. A life without personal autonomy is not worth living.


That's a fairly large demographic to tar with one brush, ain't it??
 

gopher

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

the fact remains that the majority of poor today in the USA (as in FDR's & LBJ's time) are white
 

Ludlow

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

It's a tough question. I'd have to reply, to the wealthy dark skinned Americans, I'd have to say the Republican Party does the most. However, for the middle class or poor dark skinned Americans, it would probably be the Democratic Party.
 

JLM

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

the fact remains that the majority of poor today in the USA (as in FDR's & LBJ's time) are white


Comprising about 88% of the population, that would make sense!
 

gopher

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Comprising about 88% of the population, that would make sense!



Actually it's closer to 69% - but it was discussed above that some believe the War On Poverty was designed to benefit blacks or minorities and this simply is not true.
 

taxslave

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Actually it's closer to 69% - but it was discussed above that some believe the War On Poverty was designed to benefit blacks or minorities and this simply is not true.

The war on poverty was designed by social workers to benefit social workers at great cost to taxpayers.
 

gopher

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

The war on poverty was designed by social workers to benefit social workers at great cost to taxpayers.

There can be no doubt that there were cost overruns and other shortcomings. But some say it was a total failure and that is completely off the wall. LBJ's WOP was a great success in advancing the Appalachian Regional Commission, enabled tens of thousands of young people from poor families to attend college, reduced the poverty rate, and Medicare-Medicaid are a resounding success. Of course, if the states had done more to alleviate poverty this would have reduced the federal government's role significantly and saved much money.
 

BaalsTears

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Social justice does not mean handouts, the dole, or dependence. Social justice is derived from meaningful work leading to independence and personal autonomy. No by your leave or with your permission granted by one's betters in the govt.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Social justice does not mean handouts, the dole, or dependence. Social justice is derived from meaningful work leading to independence and personal autonomy. No by your leave or with your permission granted by one's betters in the govt.
Wow. I agree with every word of that.

Go figure.
 

Blackleaf

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro



Negroes. It's got an "e" in it.

It was the polite term at the time.


Guy Gibson's black dog was called Nig*er.



Nig*er died on 16 May 1943, the day before the famous "Dam Busters raid", when he was hit by a car. He was buried at midnight as Gibson was leading the raid.

"Nig*er" (Morse code: -. .. --. --. . .-. ) was the codeword Gibson used to confirm the breach of the Möhne Dam. Nig*er's grave is at RAF Scampton, Lincolnshire.

Nig*ger's ghost now haunts the airbase, and has been seen several times.


Nig*er's ghost photographed sat between two banks of choristers at RAF Scampton in the 1980s
 
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gopher

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Re: Which party–the Republican or Democratic–do you think is doing the most for Negro

Social justice does not mean handouts, the dole, or dependence. Social justice is derived from meaningful work leading to independence and personal autonomy. No by your leave or with your permission granted by one's betters in the govt.



This especially so in government handouts to Tea Baggers, farms, corporations, and foreign governments.