Hey guess what...Quebec wants to separate again

gerryh

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Yadda, yadda, blah, blah. The 'first nations' were originally immigrants from eastern asia who in turn were immigrants from africa. What does it f*cking matter who was what 400 or 4000 years ago. None of it is productive to Canada today. When are you dumb f*cks gonna realize that and learn to make your own way looking to the future not fighting battles from the distant past.


and this has what to do with the message you quoted?
 

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Because they're a founding group of our country, part of our cultural heritage? Despite some of the stupid shyte some of them pull.

The sad reality is that an organized few are speaking on behalf of the province... There comes a time when ambivalence and passiveness qualifies as support.

In that regard, if those that oppose separation do not feel a responsibility to take action, it's essentially the same as support
 

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The sad reality is that an organized few are speaking on behalf of the province... There comes a time when ambivalence and passiveness qualifies as support.

In that regard, if those that oppose separation do not feel a responsibility to take action, it's essentially the same as support

What's the famous quote....Only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
 

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The question here is not whether Quebec wants to separate or not (some Quebecers do, some don't). It's whether a 50% + 1 victory for the ''OUI'' ought to be sufficient for the provincial government to initiate the process of separating Quebec from Canada.

The PQ government passed Bill 99 in 1999 as a retort to the Clarity Act. Now Harper is challenging the validity of Bill 99 and one wonders what his true motivations are. With a provincial election looming around the corner in Quebec, the PQ is working hard to try to get a majority, which could potentially lead to a 3rd referendum. Challenging bill 99 at this moment gives ammunition to separatist rhetoric so why do it now? Why not wait until after the election? Of course Harper doesn't have much to gain in Quebec at this point but in the rest of Canada he can score political points by presenting himself as the best defender of Canadian unity.

What's the famous quote....Only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.

Are you saying separatists are evil?
 

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The question here is not whether Quebec wants to separate or not (some Quebecers do, some don't). It's whether a 50% + 1 victory for the ''OUI'' ought to be sufficient for the provincial government to initiate the process of separating Quebec from Canada.

The PQ government passed Bill 99 in 1999 as a retort to the Clarity Act. Now Harper is challenging the validity of Bill 99 and one wonders what his true motivations are. With a provincial election looming around the corner in Quebec, the PQ is working hard to try to get a majority, which could potentially lead to a 3rd referendum. Challenging bill 99 at this moment gives ammunition to separatist rhetoric so why do it now? Why not wait until after the election? Of course Harper doesn't have much to gain in Quebec at this point but in the rest of Canada he can score political points by presenting himself as the best defender of Canadian unity.



Are you saying separatists are evil?

From the link in the op.The case was started in 99 by a private citizen.

The federal government filed a legal intervention last Wednesday in a court challenge that argues a Quebec law outlining the grounds for secession is limited by the Canadian constitution.

A Quebec English-rights activist launched a challenge shortly after the law was passed, but it’s only now set to be heard by a Quebec superior court.

The legislation was introduced by Lucien Bouchard’s Parti Quebecois government in response to the federal Clarity Act, which was brought forward by Jean Chretien’s Liberals.

The Clarity Act, in contrast to Bill 99, stipulates that a Quebec referendum must result in a “clear majority” in favour of secession before beginning any negotiations.

And so, after more than a decade of relative peace on the constitutional front, echoes of 1990s battles are resounding again.

The PQ, hardcore Quebec federalists, and the federal government could soon be scrapping it out in court.
 

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The question here is not whether Quebec wants to separate or not (some Quebecers do, some don't). It's whether a 50% + 1 victory for the ''OUI'' ought to be sufficient for the provincial government to initiate the process of separating Quebec from Canada.
I say 1% plus 50 should be enough. get rid of Quebec. It is the biggest drain on the Canadian economy.
The PQ government passed Bill 99 in 1999 as a retort to the Clarity Act. Now Harper is challenging the validity of Bill 99 and one wonders what his true motivations are. With a provincial election looming around the corner in Quebec, the PQ is working hard to try to get a majority, which could potentially lead to a 3rd referendum. Challenging bill 99 at this moment gives ammunition to separatist rhetoric so why do it now? Why not wait until after the election? Of course Harper doesn't have much to gain in Quebec at this point but in the rest of Canada he can score political points by presenting himself as the best defender of Canadian unity.
Maybe he is hoping they will separate like most of us in the west.
Are you saying separatists are evil?
No, I support them. What can I do to help them leave? Package up all the FN deals in Quebec with their per-capita share of the national debt and a bill for federal lands and give them the bill....don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 

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Perhaps the next referendum should be held in the rest of Canada instead and the vote will be if we want then to stay.
 

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And this is what land they leave with, less all First Nations and their lands that decide to remain in Canada.
Canadian Geographic: Historical Maps 1867

Not a chance. That is our's by right of conquest. That's far too much strategically valuable land. Give them a small country on the north shore. Small water frontage to minimize their ability to control the St. Lawrence. North shore to isolate them from any foreign country.
 
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Not a chance. That is our's by right of conquest. That's far too much strategically valuable land. Give them a small country on the north shore around. Small water frontage to minimize their ability to control the St. Lawrence. North shore to isolate them from any foreign country.

Wrong- And how would First Nations be treated?
 

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No, their debt should be the national debt divided by 35 million then multiplied by the population of Quebec. Only fair to split it on a per capita basis.

Fair? There is no "fair" in international relations when one political entity is trying to tear apart another. Take the two suggested methods and choose the one that returns the most to Canada.

Wrong- And how would First Nations be treated?

Not the way America did. Go deal with your own internal affairs then come back and tell us.
 

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Not the way America did. Go deal with your own internal affairs then come back and tell us.
FYI, brainiac, Goober is Canadain.

 

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Fair? There is no "fair" in international relations when one political entity is trying to tear apart another. Take the two suggested methods and choose the one that returns the most to Canada.



Not the way America did. Go deal with your own internal affairs then come back and tell us.

They are my internal affairs- I am Canadian.