HEALTH CARE - User fees

GreenFish66

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Danny Williams is now American at Heart ... I imagine he'll be retiring there..Since home is where the heart is ..( Booo Bad jk) ..Hope it doesn't turn out to be an expensive choice in the long run ...I don't thinks it's wise to play politics with health Care ..

I like to think we're a country that cares about its ppl
 
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JLM

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Everyone , regardless of status, should be given the right to basic ,social health care.Since We're all stuck here...It is the only way to go ..Has been proven time and time again by 1st world nations...Wanna pay more for new tech ..That's your choice..More money to R&D is always helpful/beneficial for all ..

Absolutely but that doesn't preclude the feasibility of "user fees" for the financially able as I've been trying to get through our resident Liberal accolade's head.
 

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Absolutely but that doesn't preclude the feasibility of "user fees" for the financially able as I've been trying to get through our resident Liberal accolade's head.

With respect JLM .

User fees are a trap ...

Sick from work ...Required to get a note from Dr..Work doesn't pay ...Dr. won't pay ...Guess you get fired?

MTO requires you to get health examine before you can drive..$80 ..Don't have $80 ..Guess your walkin ..

Required Fees are a slippery slope.. They add up quickly for those who have limited income ..

Luckily my Dr. still prints me off the papers for free because I refuse to pay for things I don't require...

If "They" require .."They" can Pay ...

;-)
 

AnnaG

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No disagreement there. If state gives a young, able bodied person social assistance, it is only right and proper that the state gets something out of it.
So the older ones with disabilities are all exempt from working? How very ignoble of you.
 

JLM

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With respect JLM .

User fees are a trap ...

Sick from work ...Required to get a note from Dr..Work doesn't pay ...Dr. won't pay ...Guess you get fired?

MTO requires you to get health examine before you can drive..$80 ..Don't have $80 ..Guess your walkin ..

Required Fees are a slippery slope.. They add up quickly for those who have limited income ..

Luckily my Dr. still prints me off the papers for free because I refuse to pay for things I don't require...

If "They" require .."They" can Pay ...

;-)

I don't believe in grown, able adults being babied, especially by Gov.'t. If a person is infirm physically or mentally or is destitute for good reason then there is assistance available to him from several sources- the Gov't. , the Salvation Army, just to name a couple. I doubt if any medical provider demands payment on the spot, where the condition is life or limb threatening, arrangements can be made to pay at the end of the month. With one third of the population supporting the other 2/3, people have to start taking charge of their own affairs. As long as parasites are allowed to keep being parasites, the problem will never improve. I don't know if that is Conservative thinking or Liberal thinking but I'm sure it's sensible thinking. I don't require a response from any "Liberal Accolytes". :lol::lol::lol:
 

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User fees has some validity since it will offset the cost we pay in our taxes for health care. of course, any saving we might make wont be credited to us so, while our taxes will remain, we will now have to spend money as well as pay the same amount of tax.

I personally am a believer in allowing people who can to pay for service. If I don't want to wait at the doctors office and have the option to go to a "pay for use" then why can't I? It's my money to spend how I wish. The service expectations are the same so it is simply a matter of where the patient is treated. People live in low rent housing because that is what they can afford while others live in mansions.

Providing that there is a fee standard for either public or private health care then the fear of loosing doctors would be less since a doctors rate would be the same. Instead, it will lighten some of the stress on the public walk-in clinic type places.

Just my thoughts anyways. I fear that if charging becomes the norm then we are chipping away at a health care system that is respected world wide.
 

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User fees has some validity since it will offset the cost we pay in our taxes for health care. of course, any saving we might make wont be credited to us so, while our taxes will remain, we will now have to spend money as well as pay the same amount of tax.

I personally am a believer in allowing people who can to pay for service. If I don't want to wait at the doctors office and have the option to go to a "pay for use" then why can't I? It's my money to spend how I wish. The service expectations are the same so it is simply a matter of where the patient is treated. People live in low rent housing because that is what they can afford while others live in mansions.

Providing that there is a fee standard for either public or private health care then the fear of loosing doctors would be less since a doctors rate would be the same. Instead, it will lighten some of the stress on the public walk-in clinic type places.

Just my thoughts anyways. I fear that if charging becomes the norm then we are chipping away at a health care system that is respected world wide.

That's pretty well my take on the subject.
 

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I'm all for user fees if you go to ER with a cough or stubbed toe. If you are bleeding profusly or are unconscious then ER is the place for you otherwise the clinic down the street is more than equiped with x-rays and a treatment room capable of anything short of a stabbing.
 

VanIsle

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Name me any kind of medical care that isn't paid for. lmao "Whatta maroon" - B Bunny Why would they be? There's a valid reason for them. On the other hand, user fees would stop people from going to the doc because they had a hangnail or a sniffle which aren't valid reasons for going to the doc.

The gov't can chip in. It does anyway. Why go to the doc in the first place if there are no problems, user fee or no user fee?:roll:

You sure don't have very much confidence that people can be in touch with their own bodies. People get regular checkups, or they should anyway. And they should increase the frequency of the checkups as they age. If people can't afford $20 a year or even $40, gov't can go good for the bill. You sure are good at moving goalposts but not options. No imagination at all. sad
User fees were already tried in this province and it just didn't work. Now would be worse than any other time. The grocery stores are dead. If you think people will pay for a check up they are not sure they need - you would be dead wrong. It cost the doctors more to collect user fees than it does to charge them and that they receive for charging them. People promise to pay and doctors cannot refuse to give treatment in an emergency so they never get the fees anyway. Doctors never used to charge for transferring a medical file but they do now. The cost is $35.00 to email your records across town!
 

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"Doctors never used to charge for transferring a medical file but they do now. The cost is $35.00 to email your records across town!"

Not in all cases- I had mine transferred from Christina Lake to Vernon- No charge. I just had to sign a paper giving the doc in C.L. the authority to release them.
 

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I can agree with you in principle here. However, there are other possibilities. For example, I could see some kind of what we might call Universal Medicare. It would be a kind of blend between private and public health care in that while the individual would have to pay for his own insurance (with the government possibly picking up the tab for the more destitute), this insurance would provide medical vouchers for essential medical services which could be cashed in at any voucher hospital, anywhere in the world, that opts into the voucher programme. this would mean of course those hospitals would be required to accept the vouchers for the services the vouchers are earmarked for, and would be prohibited from accepting any money. In this way for example, a hospital in Florida in a particular community with many Canadians living there could choose to opt into the voucher programme. First it would need to seek approval from the Canadian embassy in its country. Once th embansy is satisfied that the hospital meets the necessary requirements, then any Canadian given a voucher for a particular operation and who would like to go to that hospital for the operation would be free to do so. this would have the advantage of making our insurance more mobile.

Of course many kinks would need to be worked out before this could work, but in Europe I believe their national coverage covers them across the EU if I'm not mistaken. So clearly something of the wort could be established.
You are basically describing, in part, the way medical in BC works. In this province, we pay a monthly medical premium. Yours (I believe) is done via your tax system. Not all provinces charge their citizens a medical premium but to my way of thinking, that's just wrong and if the premium was universal as you suggest, we would have a better system. Anyone can see what people pay per province just by googling it. I mentioned in another thread that the BC governement is looking at allowing people from the USA to join our BC medical plan at 4 times the cost we currently pay. Right now we pay as couples or as families, or a single person and if you are under a certain tax bracket, you don't pay. Gov't covers it. We have private clinics and they were at one point closed down by Gov't. I believe they are open again now.
Some of the major problems we have here is that we have a Premier that can easily pay for himself and his family so he doesn't seem to care how many hospitals he closes, how many hosp. beds he closes or how many operating rooms. The facilities are here, the doctors are here, but he continues to close things down. On the other hand, things like MRI's should be working on a 24 hour basis but there are not enough operators to keep them running. I used to believe it was a shortage of MRI machines but apparently it is not. It's a shortage of staff. However, maybe they don't get paid enough here or maybe there really isn't enough of them.
Elective surgery lists just got longer here because once again, the premier cut back on those services. The first time he cut back on many of these services it wreaked havoc but in the end it seemed to pay off. This time he's gone too far. Had he re-instated some of the services he originally removed, maybe he could have gotten away with cutbacks but all he's doing now is further cutbacks.
I've always believed he should have to spend a couple of months or so without any money, without any credit/debit cards and without his own ID. While I don't wish him any harm, I wonder how he would feel if a member of his family (or himself) lived under such conditions and found they needed a hip replacement or cataract removal or had any kind of life taking illness such as a young woman here just went through (anorexia) where she could not get into treatment because of his lousy cutbacks. Only through the media did she finally get accepted into the required care for her to try to survive.
Why is it that people who live in a place with such great medical care, have to go to the media and beg for help that should be offered up as required. Not 6 or 8 months down the road with the threat of "death" hanging over their head due to cutbacks.

I see every reason to allow Americans to join the BC Medical Plan at 4 times the premiums and at 4 times the cost of surgery. They certainly would not just charge us the amount charged here if we went there for surgery. We would have to pay the "4 times" the cost amount unless visiting and covered by insurance.
 

VanIsle

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"Doctors never used to charge for transferring a medical file but they do now. The cost is $35.00 to email your records across town!"

Not in all cases- I had mine transferred from Christina Lake to Vernon- No charge. I just had to sign a paper giving the doc in C.L. the authority to release them.
That's because the doctors are not required to charge, the can choose to. Most do now (to their dis-credit in my view)
 

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That's because the doctors are not required to charge, the can choose to. Most do now (to their dis-credit in my view)

That makes sense - I've been blessed all my life with fairly good health and excellent doctors & Dr. Merry at Christina Lake is about as good as they get. He loves the profession as much as the money, I"m sure. But I'm wandering off topic. :smile:
 

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I'm all for user fees if you go to ER with a cough or stubbed toe. If you are bleeding profusly or are unconscious then ER is the place for you otherwise the clinic down the street is more than equiped with x-rays and a treatment room capable of anything short of a stabbing.

This I agree with. If you have a headache, Don't waste the hospitals time. Take a Aspirin/Tylenol/Advil. Buy bandages so your minor cut can be treated at home. The ER is not a jiffy lube where you go in and get a clean bill of health each week.
(oOOooO! Idea! What if they changed the oil in the cars in the parking lot while we wait the few hours. Then there's no need for user fees;-)) Sorry about that. It Was supposed to be an inside keyboard text.

My point is that we as a society seem to have forgotten we can heal without a doctors touch. The complication of course is that illnesses like H1N1 start off as a cold. Sigh... I just don't want to ruin our commitment to health care.
 

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That's because the doctors are not required to charge, the can choose to. Most do now (to their dis-credit in my view)

I know a doctor who closed her practice. By law, she is required to keep charts for 7 years, or in the case of a baby born under her care, until the baby turns 21. So every single chart that was transferred had to be photocopied, one page at at time. This required her to rent a photocopier and hire a part time employee for a month.

I have no idea why she charged the patients for this, I guess it should have been done for free.

That's why doctors charge to transfer your records: because it costs them time and money.
 

JLM

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"My point is that we as a society seem to have forgotten we can heal without a doctors touch."

Absolutely right- there was an interesting article in Readers' Digest about 10 years ago pointing out that about 95% of our ailments will heal themselves without having to see the doctor and by the same token a high percentage of the ones that are life threatening he /she can't do much about anyway. Guess a lot depends on how effective your immune system is. A lot of it has to do with mind over matter, people who think they are sick generally are and people who think they are going to get better generally do. A lot of times getting out for some strenuous exercise does you more good than going to the doc. I think that is because oxygen is the one commodity the body depends on more than anything else and exercise is a sure way to ensure the body is getting lots of it.
 

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Not to mention being outside can bring natural vitamins to improve out health. However, for the most part I have been fairly healthy and was brought up to use the doctors as a last option. That way I can avoid busy contagious waiting rooms as well as leave space for those who need the appointment time.

So, maybe user fees will reduce the number of hangnail cases but the downside is it will alter Canadian Healthcare and change it into a system which further alienates those less fortunate. Government support for the poor is not an easy process for the honest as it is. I wold hate to see healthcare financial support become thought of as our welfare, disability or social housing systems. I would hate to see the middle class choose to remain infectious because sparing the funds for an appointment would lead to undue hardship on that family unit.

Sorry, Just my rant
 

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Danny Williams is now American at Heart ... I imagine he'll be retiring there..Since home is where the heart is ..( Booo Bad jk) ..Hope it doesn't turn out to be an expensive choice in the long run ...I don't thinks it's wise to play politics with health Care ..

I like to think we're a country that cares about its ppl

I quite agree. However, I also think that Danny Williams has the right to spend his own money as he sees fit. If he used taxpayer’s money to seek treatment in USA, that s wrong, but I don’t think that happened.

As to him retiring in USA, why not, if that is what he wants to do. I think our former PM, Kim Campbell was a professor in USA after she lost the election. We all have the right to do as we wish in our private lives.