Have Americans Traded Freedom For Security?

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By Paul Craig Roberts December 25

Obama’s dwindling band of true believers has taken heart that their man has finally delivered on one of his many promises — the closing of the Guantánamo prison. But the prison is not being closed. It is being moved to Illinois, if the Republicans permit.

In truth, Obama has handed his supporters another defeat. Closing Guantánamo meant ceasing to hold people in violation of our legal principles of habeas corpus and due process and ceasing to torture them in violation of U.S. and international laws.

All Obama would be doing would be moving 100 people, against whom the U.S. government is unable to bring a case, from the prison in Guantánamo to a prison in Thomson, Illinois.

Are the residents of Thomson despondent that the US government has chosen their town as the site on which to continue its blatant violation of U.S. legal principles? No, the residents are happy. It means jobs.

The hapless prisoners had a better chance of obtaining release from Guantánamo.

Now the prisoners are up against two U.S. senators, a U.S. representative, a mayor, and a state governor who have a vested interest in the prisoners’ permanent detention in order to protect the new prison jobs in the hamlet devastated by unemployment.

Neither the public nor the media have ever shown any interest in how the detainees came to be incarcerated. Most of the detainees were unprotected people who were captured by Afghan war lords and sold to the Americans as "terrorists" in order to collect a proffered bounty. It was enough for the public and the media that the Defense Secretary at the time, Donald Rumsfeld, declared the Guantánamo detainees to be the "780 most dangerous people on earth."

The vast majority have been released after years of abuse. The 100 who are slated to be removed to Illinois have apparently been so badly abused that the U.S. government is afraid to release them because of the testimony the prisoners could give to human rights organizations and foreign media about their mistreatment.

Our British allies are showing more moral conscience than Americans are able to muster. Former PM Tony Blair, who provided cover for President Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq, is being damned for his crimes by UK officialdom testifying before the Chilcot Inquiry.

The London Times on December 14 summed up the case against Blair in a headline: "Intoxicated by Power, Blair Tricked Us Into War." Two days later the British First Post declared: "War Crime Case Against Tony Blair Now Rock-solid." In an unguarded moment Blair let it slip that he favored a conspiracy for war regardless of the validity of the excuse [weapons of mass destruction] used to justify the invasion.

The movement to bring Blair to trial as a war criminal is gathering steam. Writing in the First Post Neil Clark reported: "There is widespread contempt for a man [Blair] who has made millions [his reward from the Bush regime] while Iraqis die in their hundreds of thousands due to the havoc unleashed by the illegal invasion, and who, with breathtaking arrogance, seems to regard himself as above the rules of international law." Clark notes that the West’s practice of shipping Serbian and African leaders off to the War Crimes Tribunal, while exempting itself, is wearing thin.

In the U.S., of course, there is no such attempt to hold to account Bush, Cheney, Condi Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the large number of war criminals that comprised the Bush Regime. Indeed, Obama, whom Republicans love to hate, has gone out of his way to protect the Bush cohort from being held accountable.

Here in Great Moral America we only hold accountable celebrities and politicians for their sexual indiscretions. Tiger Woods is paying a bigger price for his girlfriends than Bush or Cheney will ever pay for the deaths and ruined lives of millions of people.

The consulting company, Accenture Plc, which based its marketing program on Tiger Woods, has removed Woods from its Web site. Gillette announced that the company is dropping Woods from its print and broadcast ads. AT&T says it is re-evaluating the company’s relationship with Woods.

Apparently, Americans regard sexual infidelity as far more serious than invading countries on the basis of false charges and deception, invasions that have caused the deaths and displacement of millions of innocent people. Remember, the House impeached President Clinton not for his war crimes in Serbia, but for lying about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Americans are more upset by Tiger Woods’ sexual affairs than they are by the Bush and Obama administrations’ destruction of U.S. civil liberty. Americans don’t seem to mind that "their" government for the last 8 years has resorted to the detention practices of 1,000 years ago — simply grab a person and throw him into a dungeon forever without bringing charges and obtaining a conviction.

According to polls, Americans support torture, a violation of both U.S. and international law, and Americans don’t mind that their government violates the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and spies on them without obtaining warrants from a court. Apparently, the brave citizens of the "sole remaining superpower" are so afraid of terrorists that they are content to give up liberty for safety, an impossible feat.

With stunning insouciance, Americans have given up the rule of law that protected their liberty. The silence of law schools and bar associations indicates that the age of liberty has passed. In short, the American people support tyranny. And that’s where they are headed.
 

weaselwords

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Of the US is not at peace with itself sexually & it is comfortable with violence. just go back to the orginal European settlers looking for religious freedom & their aggressive bent to prosletyse the heathen.
 

petros

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American's have traded their sanity for magic beans that protect them from mythical boogie men.
To aquire your own magic beans please send $29.95 to the Church of Magic Beans Bakersfield CA
 

damngrumpy

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Yes they did that when Bush came to power and it will only get worse because as a
people they are too ignorant to understand what is going on
 

YukonJack

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petros opined:

"American's have traded their sanity for magic beans that protect them from mythical boogie men."

To which damngrumpy reacted:

"Yes they did that when Bush came to power...."

And they traded their common sense for political correctness when they elected Obama.
 

YukonJack

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Cliffy:

Americans elected Bush the first time when they realized (and history proved them right) that Gore would have been infinitely worse.

Americans elected Bush the second time, because they saw that they were right the first time.

There is NO EXCUSE for electing Obama.
 

Kakato

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Cliffy:

Americans elected Bush the first time when they realized (and history proved them right) that Gore would have been infinitely worse.

Americans elected Bush the second time, because they saw that they were right the first time.

There is NO EXCUSE for electing Obama.

I know,hard to believe they would elect a black muslim for a president.
 

TenPenny

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The Americans have traded in freedom for something, but apparently it isn't security, since it's still possible to bring explosives onto a commercial flight.
 

hermite

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That's right, TenPenny, and now because of that no one will be allowed to leave their seat during the last hour of any flight. Gotta pee? Too bad. And no one will be allowed to have any personal property on their lap during that last hour. So basically you're stuck with the Sky Mall mag.

Evidently that will provide more safety than simply checking out people who are on the Watch List, which this guy was, cause they just might, ya know, be carrying explosives. I guess the TSA guys were too busy staring at people's private parts on their x-ray machines.
 

Kakato

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jbee says
Obama’s dwindling band of true believers has taken heart that their man has finally delivered on one of his many promises — the closing of the Guantánamo prison. But the prison is not being closed. It is being moved to Illinois, if the Republicans permit.

Now,if your going to post something like this them maybe it would help to research it first next time.
You do realize after the global uproar that the USA put out pleas for countrys to take these people right?
You do also realize that not many complied right?
These are the same countrys saying these people arent criminals so why wont they take them then?
Surely according to you they are innocent so why doesnt the rest of the world take them then?
 

Kakato

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Looks like a blog to me.
Then it's a fitting place for my favourite cut n paste!:cool:

The Americans

Gordon Sinclair
Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
"LET'S BE PERSONAL"
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.
 

Niflmir

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In Europe they aren't really grateful for the "Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts" because it is widely understood that they did it only to fight communism there.

When you hear something called "The Marshall Plan" or "the Truman Policy" you know they aren't doing it out of kindness. It is politically motivated.
 

YukonJack

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"When you hear something called "The Marshall Plan" or "the Truman Policy" you know they aren't doing it out of kindness. It is politically motivated."

Be that as it may, Niflmir, my old country would have been eternally grateful for ANY help after WWII.

Those who DID get the help are miserable ungrateful bastards.
 

taxslave

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Cliffy:

Americans elected Bush the first time when they realized (and history proved them right) that Gore would have been infinitely worse.

Americans elected Bush the second time, because they saw that they were right the first time.

There is NO EXCUSE for electing Obama.

No, Bush sr. and his spook buds rigged the first election and being basically incompetent they almost blew that. They were only slightly less obvious in rigging junior's second win. Obama won a fair election probably because even the most dim witted republicans realized that they had wound up with a moron and a loose cannon psychopath for candidates.