Hati gets a penny of each U.S. aid dollar

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Fat chance. We are going to get in on some (if not most) of that. You can take that to the bank.
Why can't they hire who they want?
After the "aid money runs out' is that when you start to tally up a bill that gets handed to then when you decide the job is finished. If no bill can be run up you will be out of there the minute the money dries up. Any idea if the heath care given on American soil is deducted from the pledged aid money (from the Fed and/or private sector)?
 

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Why can't they hire who they want?
After the "aid money runs out' is that when you start to tally up a bill that gets handed to then when you decide the job is finished. If no bill can be run up you will be out of there the minute the money dries up. Any idea if the heath care given on American soil is deducted from the pledged aid money (from the Fed and/or private sector)?

Oh they can I am sure. We're just going to help them hire. You know it.
 

darkbeaver

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Spoken like a true communist.
82,000 Haitians living in Canada. Obviously all slaves

82,000 Canadians of Hatian decent live in Canada all sought to leave Hati for oportunity that does not exist in Hati. When has imperialism ever been any different. If you destroy indiginous cultures and economies you always sweep up the willing and able.
 

darkbeaver

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With that resume it would seem that we should shy away from direct contact, rather than send the same help we have in the past (corruption basically) donate just money and materials.
Haiti could then hire countries from the area (other than the US) to do the (labor) needed repairs and install all the modern convinces (from the industrialized countries) they have been denied that makes sitting around with not much to do more entertaining, like the internet so they can follow threads such as this one.
Use the UN to help set policy concerning natural resources with the stipulation that the developer (foreign company) that comes up with an offer that best suits the locals is the one that gets the contract. Build it and then let the locals do the maintenance and upgrades.

So in reality from our past we should contribute lots but because of our past we should be involved as little as possible.

Venezuela sooner or later has to solve the problems of their 'slums'. Designing and building in Haiti's hills would also be the same solution to their problem at home. A steel-framework anchored to the hills and shipping containers used as a base for the new neighborhood.

Canada could supply some of the parts and maybe the cranes needed for such operations. Selling those items would help recover costs (after the free demonstration in Haiti)

If there were any justice in this world MHZ we (Canada) would stand trail for our crimes in Hati. A reconstituted sanitizedTonton Macoutes and glass beads and bits of cloth are all Hatians can expect from the rotten Capitalist pigs running the rescue. Oh I forgot the hundreds of thousands of new twelve hour a day jobs at twenty cents an hour making xtra large garments for fat stupid Olympic fans.
 

darkbeaver

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Mea Culpa on Haiti

By Murray Dobbin

Global Research, January 23, 2010


Sometimes you get things wrong. A couple of people have forcefully pointed that out to me re: my post on Haiti contrasting the killing of the war in Afghanistan with the response to the earthquake in Haiti. In my zeal to criticize the government’s role in Afghanistan I glossed over the repressive role of the Canadian government in Haiti. While I referred to Canada’s role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Jean Bertrand Aristide, I suggested that the role of the police (and now the army) was more honourable – bringing some semblance of peace to the country – than the occupation of Afghanistan.

That, pointed out Derrick O’Keefe, is just wrong. He wrote:
“Like in Afghanistan, Canada’s police training and “peacekeeping” in Haiti has been part and parcel of propping up an illegitimate regime. If Haiti is more peaceful in recent years, it is the “peace of the graveyard,” following years of savage repression, including the taking of political prisoners and the outright murder of hundreds and thousands of members/supporters of the party of the ousted elected president, Aristide. The Haitian National Police force, which the RCMP is there to train and assist, has committed many of these atrocities. Years of this “politicide” and repression under UN occupation has evidently left Haiti with basically zero public sector with which to prepare for and respond to a small disaster, let alone a catastrophe on this scale.”
I did refer to the militarization of aid in Haiti and the Canadian Peace Alliance has spoken more on this issue.

The Georgia Straight has had a couple of articles on the issue, pointing out, amongst other things, the role that Canada has played in virtually outlawing Aristide’s popular political party from participating in the country’s political affairs:
“Canada has supported the exclusion of Aristide’s political party, Fanmi Lavalas, from every election since 2004, …. ‘Haitians are very knowledgeable about what Canada is doing in their country, and they are generally not happy about it at all.’”
Peter Hallward, the author of Damming the Flood: Haiti, Aristide and the Politics of Containment wrote of Atistide’s removal from office in 2004:
“In late February 2004, France, the U.S. and a few other old ‘friends of Haiti’ [including Canada] called on the country’s elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide to resign.
During his last few days in office, these countries threatened Aristide with a ‘bloodbath’ if he chose to serve out the remainder of his term in office. By early 2004, Haiti’s oldest friends had done everything to make such a threat look imminent. Even before he returned to office in 2001, they went to considerable lengths to promote both a political and a paramilitary opposition that adopted the elimination of Aristide as their very raison d’être. Relentless pressure from these opponents, combined with punitive economic measures implemented by their foreign patrons, eventually backed Aristide into a corner from which he couldn’t escape.

By February 28, 2004, the area of the country that remained under the government’s control had shrunk to little more than Port-au-Prince. A small but well-armed and well-funded military force led by ex-soldiers Guy Philippe and Jodel Chamblain was apparently poised to attack the capital. The government’s rather less well-armed security forces were no longer reliable, and the international community made it clear that it would only intervene if Aristide stepped down.

With his back to the wall, did Aristide choose to save his skin and accept a U.S. offer for safe passage to a friendly third country? Or, was he forced to resign by hostile foreign troops before being led, manu militari, onto an American plane?

Did Aristide leap to safety, or was he pushed into captivity?

In my opinion it’s blindingly obvious that Aristide was pushed out by the immediate prospect of overwhelming violence against unarmed civilians, coupled with the longer-term prospect of a debilitating civil war.

Aristide’s government wasn’t perfect, but its violent removal was an outrageous political crime.”
One of the best sources for information and background on Haiti is the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade. I urge you to visit the site. We all, me included, need to know the terrible details of our destruction of democracy in Haiti and our continued complicity in the repression of the population. More to the point we need to be holding the Harper government to account for the current militarization of the disaster response.
 

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Hati is already old news. They're being ground into even finer dust while we Canadians squander hundreds of millions on GAMES. The Olympics should have been cancelled and all the useless track stars sent to Hati to show us their atheletic prowess. I'm ashamed to be Canadian, over two-hundred thousand dead and the rest starving under military occupation and we will play games. 40 million pissed into the wind for the goddamn opening show. Excuse me I have to puke on the flag.
Why aren't you over there feeding them, bigmouth? Some Christian you are. Perhaps you should move to Venezuela and snivel about everyone else along with your hero.

Had a few doobies for breaky this morning, darkbeaver? If Haiti is "old news" why would you start a brand new thread about it after a dozen or two are already in the menu?

Canada is soooooo nasty:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-on-developed-nations-to-forgive-haiti-s-debt
 

darkbeaver

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Why aren't you over there feeding them, bigmouth? Some Christian you are. Perhaps you should move to Venezuela and snivel about everyone else along with your hero.

Had a few doobies for breaky this morning, darkbeaver? If Haiti is "old news" why would you start a brand new thread about it after a dozen or two are already in the menu?

Canada is soooooo nasty:

Canada calls on developed nations to forgive Haiti’s debt - thestar.com

Check the OP boozy. I forgive you.
 

darkbeaver

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Where did all the Haiti relief money go?




The amount of money raised for Haiti earthquake relief has reached a staggeringly high $1.4 billion in less than one year from the United States alone. Everyone from celebrities to regular people held telethons, bake sales and dinner parties whose proceeds went to help Haiti earthquake victims.
A year later, people who opened their purse strings and wallets so generously are asking where the money went and how well was it spent. According to a survey by the Chronicle of Philanthropy of 60 major relief organizations, only 38 percent of that money has been spent to provide recovery and rebuilding aid. By comparison, in New Orleans, about 80 percent of the money raised for Hurricane Katrina victims has been spent.

One Year Since the Earthquake in Haiti

By Bill Van Auken

Global Research, January 12, 2011



Today marks the first anniversary of the magnitude 7.0 earthquake that devastated the impoverished Caribbean nation of Haiti, leaving a quarter of a million of its people dead, more than 300,000 injured, and approximately a million and a half homeless.

One year after this natural disaster, the horrors facing Haiti’s population have only deepened, with a cholera epidemic claiming thousands of lives and a million left stranded in squalid tent camps.

This festering crisis underscores the social and political sources of the suffering inflicted upon Haiti’s working class and oppressed masses. That such conditions prevail virtually on the doorstep of the United States, which concentrates the greatest share of the world’s wealth, constitutes a crime of world historic proportions and an indictment of the profit system.

Those familiar with the conditions on the ground in Haiti provide an appalling account of the indifference and neglect of American and world imperialism toward the country’s people.

“The mountains of rubble still exist; the plight of the victims without any sign of acceptable temporary shelter is worsening the conditions for the spread of cholera, and the threat of new epidemics becomes more frightening with each passing day,” said former Jamaican Prime Minister P.J. Patterson, the Caribbean community’s special representative to Haiti. “In short, there has been no abatement of the trauma and misery which the Haitian populace has suffered.”
 

Nuggler

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Aid to the poor countries helps them to stay poor, it's been like that as long as I can remember. Therefore I respectfully suggest that it cannot be aid, strange as that may be.


Nope, not strange at all, DB. If I am the leader of some 3rd world pothole, and rich countries keep sending me money, and I keep siphoning it off to a Swiss bank, and then they keep sending me more...........why would I change anything.??