Harper seems to be slipping

SLM

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Unfortunately the media does. They pay more attention to polls than to platforms or candidates which is annoying. Its all about the polls and strategy. The people by and large seem to like it that way for some reason.

Maybe we should stop paying attention to the media.



True. At least he was honest about it. I liked that about him and Mulroney. Different in almost every way but they didnt mind pissing people off. Politicians today try to hard to please everyone and wind up pleasing nearly no one.

Actually I'd go so far as to say they end up pissing a lot of people off. There's a lot of anger out there and, if one day people just stop with the stupid blind partisanship, perhaps we might hold all politicians to accounts as they should be.
 

WLDB

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Ya, ya, including the Nazi's.

Maybe not Nazis. Just Fascist. They did manage to make the trains run on time aferall. :p (sarcasm)

There's a lot of anger out there and, if one day people just stop with the stupid blind partisanship, perhaps we might hold all politicians to accounts as they should be.


There's a novel idea. ha. These days they seem to get rewarded for bad activity.
 

JamesBondo

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It is a shame that Harper is slipping, because the liberals have failed to back off on the policies that got their butts kicked out of government. Every government needs to get booted, i will be pissed if i have to vote for a liberal governmenr that hasnt learned their lesson.
 

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Oh yeah. "Let those eastern bastards freeze in the dark"

We should remember that before Leduc #1, Alberta was a have not province that was continually bailed out
by the federal government. How soon they forget.



Mainly, from the east.....:roll::smile:


OMG - how wrong is that! Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But I guess if you keep saying such nonsense people will eventually believe what you say is true.

However, I've been around long enough and my parents spoke about it often enough, to know what a bunch of crap that is. It was the AMERICANS that ended up by helping Alberta get the oil out of the ground - not Ottawa and certainly not the East!!!

In fact, the Alberta Treasury Branch (our provincial bank) was formed because farmers couldn't get the loans from the "Eastern banks" that they needed to put seed in the ground in the Spring. So the Social Credit government of the time started the ATB so that we would have a local bank who could identify with what the people in Alberta needed without having to "beg" for what we needed to Eastern institutions who had no idea of what was happening outside their immediate (elite) world.

When it came to the wants and needs of the West, we went SOUTH not East for what we needed. That's one of the reasons why you'll find American companies so prevelant in Alberta!! They are the ones that assisted in the "opening up" of the Alberta/West. The people who lived here did the rest!!

That's only one of the many reasons why we were so resentful of the NEP!

Just to set the record straight!!
 

WLDB

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It is a shame that Harper is slipping, because the liberals have failed to back off on the policies that got their butts kicked out of government. Every government needs to get booted, i will be pissed if i have to vote for a liberal governmenr that hasnt learned their lesson.

They're still backing those responsible for the sponsorship scandal? BS. I know they had lots of policies that lots of people disagreed with but that was what got them kicked out in 2006. Even then they kicked out the guy who had nothing to do with it.

Also, you dont have to vote for the Liberals if you're not happy with them. There are other parties and there is always the option of spoiling your ballot if you dont like any of the alternatives. Id sooner spoil my ballot than vote for a party or person I disagree with on major issues. A "lesser of two evils" (or 3-4 in our case) isnt good enough for me.
 

captain morgan

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OMG - how wrong is that! Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But I guess if you keep saying such nonsense people will eventually believe what you say is true.

However, I've been around long enough and my parents spoke about it often enough, to know what a bunch of crap that is. It was the AMERICANS that ended up by helping Alberta get the oil out of the ground - not Ottawa and certainly not the East!!!

In fact, the Alberta Treasury Branch (our provincial bank) was formed because farmers couldn't get the loans from the "Eastern banks" that they needed to put seed in the ground in the Spring. So the Social Credit government of the time started the ATB so that we would have a local bank who could identify with what the people in Alberta needed without having to "beg" for what we needed to Eastern institutions who had no idea of what was happening outside their immediate (elite) world.

When it came to the wants and needs of the West, we went SOUTH not East for what we needed. That's one of the reasons why you'll find American companies so prevelant in Alberta!! They are the ones that assisted in the "opening up" of the Alberta/West. The people who lived here did the rest!!

That's only one of the many reasons why we were so resentful of the NEP!

Just to set the record straight!!

You'll never change the faux-reality of those folks that want to justify maintaining this broken system..

That said, the equalization arrangement is up for renegotiation here in the foreseeable future. No doubt that you'll see far fewer groups thumping their chests on this.
 

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OMG - how wrong is that! Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But I guess if you keep saying such nonsense people will eventually believe what you say is true.

However, I've been around long enough and my parents spoke about it often enough, to know what a bunch of crap that is. It was the AMERICANS that ended up by helping Alberta get the oil out of the ground - not Ottawa and certainly not the East!!!

In fact, the Alberta Treasury Branch (our provincial bank) was formed because farmers couldn't get the loans from the "Eastern banks" that they needed to put seed in the ground in the Spring. So the Social Credit government of the time started the ATB so that we would have a local bank who could identify with what the people in Alberta needed without having to "beg" for what we needed to Eastern institutions who had no idea of what was happening outside their immediate (elite) world.

When it came to the wants and needs of the West, we went SOUTH not East for what we needed. That's one of the reasons why you'll find American companies so prevelant in Alberta!! They are the ones that assisted in the "opening up" of the Alberta/West. The people who lived here did the rest!!

That's only one of the many reasons why we were so resentful of the NEP!

Just to set the record straight!!

Oh yes.....Those American oil companies, out of the goodness of their hearts, took it apon themselves to look after the
poor people of Alberta because those eastern institutions wouldn't. Is that how it happened? The way I remember it was that
eastern Canada was buying Arab oil far cheaper than anything they could buy in Alberta. American oil companies made fortunes
in Alberta......no different than oil companies everywhere. Those same oil companies were partly responsible for the cheap Arab oil
that was part of the problem. I would be first to admit that the NEP was a disaster but the idea of Canada being self sufficient
in oil from coast to coast in Canada was attractive but alas, it wasn't to be.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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Oh yes.....Those American oil companies, out of the goodness of their hearts, took it apon themselves to look after the
poor people of Alberta because those eastern institutions wouldn't. Is that how it happened?
Yep. The milk of human kindness runs thick in the veins of American oil companies. Brings tears to the eyes, enit?
 

#juan

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I wouldn't like to suggest that it is only American oil companies. BP, Shell, BA, Chevron, etc, and others,
are all cut from the same cloth
 

Nuggler

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One thing is for sure. If the next election comes down to personality, Harper is fvcked.


How about cheating lying robocalls. He excells at that. Woops, his scapegoat excels at that. Bet he got a big envelope for taking the fall. Probably be a senator soon.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is the vote will split and Fukknuts will win again with a HUGE 35% MAJORITY.

By 2015, he'll have imported enough temp. workers who will owe him enough to tip the scales.............short tracked to citizenship and all.

This time I'm gonna hold my nose and vote Lib. Enough of us do it and we can throw THE GREAT LEADER off the train...........or under it...........whatever.

They're still backing those responsible for the sponsorship scandal? BS. I know they had lots of policies that lots of people disagreed with but that was what got them kicked out in 2006. Even then they kicked out the guy who had nothing to do with it.

Also, you dont have to vote for the Liberals if you're not happy with them. There are other parties and there is always the option of spoiling your ballot if you dont like any of the alternatives. Id sooner spoil my ballot than vote for a party or person I disagree with on major issues. A "lesser of two evils" (or 3-4 in our case) isnt good enough for me.

Then be prepared to be ruled by conbots for ever and ever and...............
 

captain morgan

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Oh yes.....Those American oil companies, out of the goodness of their hearts, took it apon themselves to look after the poor people of Alberta because those eastern institutions wouldn't. Is that how it happened?

The foreign oil companies weren't acting like scared little pansies and assumed the risk in E&P... With risk comes great rewards (still does today in case you didn't get the memo from the Politburo).

In the meantime, many Canadians (not you obviously) also put their money where their mouth is and risked that capital to generate those rewards... A lot of Canadians did very, very well.

The way I remember it was that eastern Canada was buying Arab oil far cheaper than anything they could buy in Alberta. American oil companies made fortunes in Alberta......no different than oil companies everywhere.

Really? Is that the reason that St. Pierre was buying crude from Venezuela at world prices, shipping it up to refineries in Eastern Canada (that's a helluva long way and pretty costly) and selling it to Canadians at a huge loss?

How is this possible you ask?.. Well, when Der Leader decided that Canadian companies would be forced to sell below market for the crude - no one produced WCSB crude anymore.

I know, I know - I too am shocked that people wouldn't be willing to put up tens or hundreds of millions in E&P in a nation that forced the sale of the oil at prices well below when they could move across a border and get 20 or 30% more bang for the buck.... I suppose that this will remain one of the unsolvable mysteries for the ages.

Those same oil companies were partly responsible for the cheap Arab oil that was part of the problem.

Yeah; OPEC played nothing in that role.... After all, they weren't part of the tin-foil hat society that was the chief architect of this massive global conspiracy

I would be first to admit that the NEP was a disaster but the idea of Canada being self sufficient in oil from coast to coast in Canada was attractive but alas, it wasn't to be.

In order for that to happen, you'd need to nationalize the commodity (like Chavez did! - boy-o-boy, what a raging success that has been!) and then have a national company to explore, develop, refine and distribute.... Hang on a minute - Der Leader did try that... What was the name of the company that tried it? That's right, PetroCanada.

If memory serves, didn't PetroCanada almost go titters and was bought out by Suncor?.. Yeah, I think that's how it rolled-out... From what I gather, the company is doing exceptionally well now that Trudeau is worm-bait.

How about cheating lying robocalls. He excells at that. Woops, his scapegoat excels at that. Bet he got a big envelope for taking the fall. Probably be a senator soon.

It's too bad that they couldn't have used a bunch of plain, unmarked brown paper envelopes to deliver the info to the electorate.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is the vote will split and Fukknuts will win again with a HUGE 35% MAJORITY.

Then stop voting for these losers all the time... Sheesh

By 2015, he'll have imported enough temp. workers who will owe him enough to tip the scales.............short tracked to citizenship and all.

As long as they sign the contract that they won't join a union, I'm all good with it
 

Machjo

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I wonder if they polled anybody old enough to remember the finger the old man flipped the West.

What does that have to do with Jr. Some sons can have not only different ideological and phylosophical beliefs as their fathers, sometimes different religions and ideas on other issues too.