Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair’s dual citizenship raises eyebrows

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I learned my version of Canadian politics and Parliamentary protocol during the transition from British texts (where it probably said British subject) to the McGraw-Hill version (where Canadian words were inserted in place of US text) in a time when it became politically incorrect to be English-Canadian. I don't profess to know everything - so I've learned something here. That being said, in a time where sneaky and underhanded has become acceptable (until you're caught) I still believe an open door is a door open to less-than-desirable elements. If somebody wants to take that as a slam against dual citizenship, that be their own baggage to carry.
 

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Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair’s dual citizenship raises eyebrows

Stephen Harper has only one passport. It’s Canadian. And that’s the way he likes it.

Thomas Mulcair, the Quebec MP and NDP leadership contender, carries two passports. One is Canadian, the other is French. “Obviously, it’s for Mr. Mulcair to use his political judgment in the case,” the Prime Minister observed in Saguenay, Que. “In my case, as I say, I am very clear. I am a Canadian and only a Canadian.”

Mr. Harper was responding to a question about the ethics of a potential Official Opposition leader holding dual citizenship. It was prompted by a Sun Media report Tuesday in which Mr. Mulcair vows to keep his French citizenship even if he becomes prime minister.

Bob Rae, who also holds only a Canadian passport, marvels at the hypocrisy of the NDP – and the hole they’ve dug for themselves on this issue.

The Interim Liberal Leader was referring to criticism by the late Jack Layton of Stéphane Dion, the former Official Opposition leader who is also a dual citizen of France and Canada.

In 2006, Mr. Layton said he “would prefer that a leader of a party hold only Canadian citizenship, because one represents many Canadians, and for it’s better to remain the citizen of one country.”

Remarked Mr. Rae: “There is a terrible sense of irony that while Mr. Layton didn’t hesitate to take a run at Mr. Dion in 2007, he didn’t seem to have the same view about his candidate or member from Outremont, Mr. Mulcair.”

A former cabinet minister in Jean Charest’s Liberal government, Mr. Mulcair won his federal seat in Montreal in a 2007 by-election.

“Mr. Mulcair and the NDP will have to decide whether their invented rule in Stéphane’s case applies now, or whether there has been a miraculous change of heart,” Mr. Rae told the Globe.

He argued New Democrats are now “stuck with either being completely inconsistent, or knuckling under to the Harper line, which in my view is too rigid.”

And there is nothing legally preventing Mr. Mulcair from holding two passports, the Interim Liberal Leader added.

“I’ve no idea how many dual citizens there are in Canada but I’d hate to see any Canadian denied a chance to run for office or even become prime minister because they have a dual heritage or passport,” Mr. Rae said. “Surely, we’re bigger than that as a country.”

As Mr. Harper noted in his remarks, this issue is not new. Former governor-general Michaëlle Jean provoked controversy when it came to light that she also held French citizenship. She revoked it just before she was sworn-in because it caused such a stir.

And in last May’s federal election campaign Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff’s wife, Zsuzsanna Zsohar, came under attack by right-wingers because she was still a Hungarian citizen. As a result, she couldn’t vote for her husband.

However, Ms. Zsohar had applied for Canadian citizenship and was waiting for it to come through. She called the attacks – which were also stoked by Sun Media – “hurtful.”

One of Mr. Mulcair’s rivals for the NDP leadership, meanwhile, was blunt. “This is a non issue,” Ottawa MP Paul Dewar told The Globe. “Tom is as Canadian as the rest of us. End of story”.

Harper and Rae pile on as Mulcair's dual citizenship raises eyebrows - The Globe and Mail


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Considering the flood of demands Canada received from the so-called Canadians living in Lebanon during their crisis to returned to Canada, only to have more than 80% or more of those so-called Canadians return back to their country of birth immediately after hostilities subsided, all at the expense of Canadian taxpayers, I think it is is time that Canada stops recognizing duel-citizenships, and requires them to make a choice as to which country they are going to choose as their Country, and give up the passport of the other country. I as well as many other Canadians are sick and tired of these citizens of convenience. If someone born in another country immigrates to Canada and becomes a citizen, returns to their country of birth, they should automatically lose their Canadian citizenship if they stay away for more than 6 months.

Mulclair is someone, I would trust as far as I can throw im, and quite truthfully, I would never again vote for any party whose leader resides in Quebec. we had enough of that from Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien, and Martin, and we have learned that first and foremost their loyalty lies in making sure Quebec prospers at the expense of the rest of Canada! Never again!!
 

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I don't think that there is any legal issue on this, but the public perception will be the killer for Mulcair.... It didn't do Iggy any good.

It's the NDP like they really have a chance to form the next federal government, their policies are all over the place and they helped kill thousand of much needed jobs. The NDP just do not have another Jack Layton in the rank and file.
 

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Well said.

I would go further and suggest that the NDP will drop to levels closer to their historical seat count after the next federal election... It will make for an interesting election though, the NDP have the choice to replace the Bloc (or try that is), but that is the only way that they will hold any significant amounts of seats... As you put it, they do not have another Layton in the wings.
 

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As it stands, a Layton-less NDP has remained just as popular as it did since the election - in fact, even more impressive since it's current leader was a former Quebec separatist. The Liberals have shot up a bit in popularity and Conservatives have gone down.

But, yes, facts are depressing to some people, lol
 

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The bottom line is still this:

Some people have reservations (of varying strength but they are reservations none the less) about someone with dual citizenship potentially holding the highest elected office in the land...

Correction. The Crown is the highest office in the land.
 

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That said, I could get EU citizenship if I wished...
Well there ya go, you can head back to Europe, instead of living up to those contracts.

Mulcair said Harper appears to be implying that Canadians who hold dual citizenship -- some 863,000 of them, according to the 2006 census -- are somehow lesser Canadians or have divided loyalties. "We celebrate our diversity, we have a minister responsible for multiculturalism. But when push comes to shove, if you give him half a chance, the real Stephen Harper comes out (suggesting) 'I'm more Canadian than you are because my family doesn't have a background in different countries,"' Mulcair said.

"It's a reflection of profoundly parochial and insular thinking."
We can still be a multicultural society, without dual citizenship. Mulcair's an idiot. Anyone that swallowed that paragraph like it held water, is an idiot.
Mulcair pointed out that he fought for Canada through two referendums on Quebec independence. By contrast he recalled that Harper once co-authored an open letter urging Alberta to build a "firewall" around the province.

"I have no lessons to receive about being Canadian from Stephen Harper."
Oh look, another moron that doesn't understand hyperbole and sarcasm. Ya, we need more politicians like that...:roll:

But, yes, facts are depressing to some people, lol
Is that why you resort to posting asinine gifs, depression?

I just thought it was because you had difficulty formulating reasoned responses.


This issue is a quintessential example of some confining remnants of social conservatism.
Layton was a social conservative?
 

CDNBear

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In this respect, yes.
I wonder if any of his hidden agenda still lingers in the NDP.

So what do you think of Mulcairs idiotic inference that an issue with dual citizenship is an issue with multiculturalism?

What do you think of his American style political use of an obviously sarcastic comment by Harper?

Just out of curiousity.
 

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See this is the problem with hidden agendas and conspiracies, once one starts to see them, they're frigging everywhere man!
Not if your an NDP ideologue. Then you only see them in the Conservatives.

Right mentalflush?
 

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I wonder if any of his hidden agenda still lingers in the NDP.

Hidden agenda?

Just because he wasn't progressive to the max (!) doesn't mean there is a 'hidden agenda'. People knew his stance when he was alive and could have called it then.

So what do you think of Mulcairs idiotic inference that an issue with dual citizenship is an issue with multiculturalism?

I think idiotic is pretty strong. He's just taking a shot back by pulling this to multicultralism. He has a point, since Harper is pretty fake when it comes to that stuff. The main point is that single citizenship is not required for you to effectively serve.

What do you think of his American style political use of an obviously sarcastic comment by Harper?

Just out of curiousity.

I don't think anything was obviously sarcastic. Harper said Mulcair's dual citizenship was a bad thing and no one so far has interpeted that as sarcastic.

Not if your an NDP ideologue. Then you only see them in the Conservatives.

Right mentalflush?

Stop being an a-hole.

I never thought the Conservatives had a hidden agenda on the same sex marriage issue and a lot of people did. You can go through that thread and read it for yourself.
 

CDNBear

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Just because he wasn't progressive to the max (!) doesn't mean there is a 'hidden agenda'.
Seems only left leaning leaders are afforded that luxury.

I think idiotic is pretty strong.
I don't.

He's just taking a shot back by pulling this to multicultralism.
A tactic used by many on this very board. When you can't argue on the merits of your position, swing it to something you think you can.

I can see why you would think that's OK.

I don't think anything was obviously sarcastic. Harper said Mulcair's dual citizenship was a bad thing and no one so far has interpeted that as sarcastic.
I was referring to the "Fire wall" comment Mulcair brought up.

Stop being an a-hole.
It's spelled Asshole, and no. I worked hard to get my Doctorate in Assholology.

I never thought the Conservatives had a hidden agenda on the same sex marriage issue and a lot of people did.
I never said you did. Your feeling the need to defend yourself, and isolate a single issue, is telling though. Thanks.

The main point is that single citizenship is not required for you to effectively serve.
I agree. But you should still be a sole citizen of Canada to be an MP or a PM, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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I agree. But you should still be a sole citizen of Canada to be an MP or a PM, as far as I'm concerned.


Amazing how the 'usual suspects' draw the most definitive lines on one's party affiliation and will defend to the death why candidate 'X' is better than 'Y' on that basis, but apparently no problem on the candidate's nation that they choose to call home.
 

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Amazing how the 'usual suspects' draw the most definitive lines on one's party affiliation and will defend to the death why candidate 'X' is better than 'Y' on that basis, but apparently no problem on the candidate's nation that they choose to call home.

Well, let's not stray from the issue here.

Is a single citizenship necessary to govern an entire country? And why?