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The New York Declaration is the result of the work by the United Nations conference on the implementation of the two-state solution, co-chaired by France and Saudi Arabia, which took place from 28 to 30 July. This work will continue in
New York on 22 September in the presence of President Macron.12 сент. 2025 г.
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Sounds forced to me. MBS is for more powerful than Trump.
The New York Declaration does not state the specific borders for Palestine, but it does reiterate the commitment to the two-state solution where Israel and Palestine would live side-by-side with "secure and recognized borders," consistent with international law and UN resolutions. The declaration emphasizes that Gaza is an integral part of a future Palestinian state and must be unified with the West Bank.
(Unified politically? Or figuratively? Unified in some other manner?)
- Two-state solution: The declaration strongly supports the two-state solution as the basis for a just and lasting peace.
- Integrated Gaza and West Bank: It states that Gaza must be unified (?) with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority (so politically) and must not be subjected to occupation, blockade, or forced displacement.
- No specific boundaries: While supporting the two-state solution, the declaration does not draw specific lines for Palestine's borders. The specifics of border demarcation have historically been a matter for final status negotiations between the two parties.
It says previous UN intentions if you read close.
What are they right now? They dont exist?
What part of you stay on your side of the fucking lawn chairs the UN decides to set and Ill stay on mine but in the mean time cross the lawn chairs and you're a legit illegal Invader/terrorist under international law.
Sounds non-negotiable to me. Since Palestine already has Observer Status in the UN at par with the Vatican It and its people could go the Holy Land Route with UNESCO Status before Satan's Chosen People JKK level Bethlehem once and for all. Its going to take a heavy force to stop them and Israeli civil war..
The Vatican is an ity bitty city with far further reach than through the UN.
A Holy Land for the Christians.
Oh....some Biblical shit....
Yes, King Ahaz did sacrifice his son by fire.
The Bible explicitly says so in 2 Kings 16:3 (just three verses before the one we were discussing):
“But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel; indeed he made his son pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the nations whom the LORD had cast out from before the children of Israel.” (NKJV)
The same act is repeated in 2 Chronicles 28:3:
“He burned incense in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, and burned his children in the fire, according to the abominations of the nations whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.”
This was a form of child sacrifice to the pagan god Molech aka Baal aka Satan (or a similar Canaanite deity), a practice strictly forbidden in the Law of Moses (Leviticus 18:21, 20:2–5; Deuteronomy 18:10). Ahaz is portrayed in the Bible as one of the most wicked kings of Judah because of this and other idolatrous act.
The the Baal Sect Jews still exist.
Israel's Credit Rating and Moody's Recent Actions
As of November 24, 2025, Israel's sovereign credit rating remains at Baa1 (with a negative outlook) according to Moody's Investors Service, following a series of downgrades tied to the ongoing conflicts in Gaza and with Hezbollah in Lebanon. This rating places Israel three notches above junk status (non-investment grade, which begins at Ba1/BB+). Moody's has explicitly warned that further escalation could push Israel into junk territory, increasing borrowing costs and potentially forcing institutional investors to offload bonds.
Key Moody's Downgrades for Israel
Moody's has adjusted Israel's rating multiple times in recent years, primarily due to heightened geopolitical risks, elevated defense spending (projected to rise significantly), and slower economic recovery.
Yes, King Ahaz did sacrifice his son by fire.
The Bible explicitly says so in 2 Kings 16:3 (just three verses before the one we were discussing):
“But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel; indeed he made his son pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the nations whom the LORD had cast out from before the children of Israel.” (NKJV)
The same act is repeated in 2 Chronicles 28:3:
“He burned incense in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, and burned his children in the fire, according to the abominations of the nations whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.”
This was a form of child sacrifice to the pagan god Molech aka Baal aka Satan (or a similar Canaanite deity), a practice strictly forbidden in the Law of Moses (Leviticus 18:21, 20:2–5; Deuteronomy 18:10). Ahaz is portrayed in the Bible as one of the most wicked kings of Judah because of this and other idolatrous act.
The the Baal Sect Jews still exist.
Israel's Credit Rating and Moody's Recent Actions
As of November 24, 2025, Israel's sovereign credit rating remains at Baa1 (with a negative outlook) according to Moody's Investors Service, following a series of downgrades tied to the ongoing conflicts in Gaza and with Hezbollah in Lebanon. This rating places Israel three notches above junk status (non-investment grade, which begins at Ba1/BB+). Moody's has explicitly warned that further escalation could push Israel into junk territory, increasing borrowing costs and potentially forcing institutional investors to offload bonds.
Key Moody's Downgrades for Israel
Moody's has adjusted Israel's rating multiple times in recent years, primarily due to heightened geopolitical risks, elevated defense spending (projected to rise significantly), and slower economic recovery.
It says “previous UN intentions” where (?) and meaning what (?) and this would tie into the specifics of border demarcation have historically been a matter for final status negotiations between the two parties how?
This is somewhere in Post# 6963 that you quote to state this?
Two-State solution: The declaration reiterates support for a sovereign, democratic, and viable State of Palestine living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security, based on international law and relevant UN resolutions.
242 never went away. Its the "basis of illegal occupation" and why its super cool if Palestinians shoot a wandering Jew.
Wandering where? Inside the actual defined borders of Israel? Wandering in the disputed areas of what’s now called the West Bank? Why didn’t Oct 7th happen in the “West Bank” and not inside Israel itself?
Meaning what?
Excuse me? You & I, we’re just two nobody’s debating from the other side of the planet, & we’re not involved in this.
We are both in Canada. Neither one of us are in the Middle East in general, or in either Palestine or Israel specifically. Neither one of us are Palestinian or Israeli.
This year for the next handful of weeks, is the year that slots in between 2024 and 2026.
This year for the next handful of weeks, is the year that slots in between 2024 and 2026.
We democratically endorsed Palestine as a sovereign state with the right to self determination.
Its in ink.
Do we democratically want to undo that? We now have obligations to Palestine so yeah, it does involve us here living above America's garage.
There is a line of IDF with Israel to the left and Palestine on the right. Any israeli right of that line is an illegal alien. Dont be shocked if Canada deploys troops to kick the JKK out of Palestine.
Reparations wont be cheap but don't worry, MBS and a slew of Islam will lend the money to Israel.
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Canada officially recognized the
State of Palestine on September 21, 2025. This decision, announced by Prime Minister Mark Carney, was part of a coordinated effort with international partners to preserve the possibility of a two-state solution and was contingent on the Palestinian Authority (PA) committing to significant governance reforms.
Details of the Recognition
- Democratic Endorsement: The decision was made by the Canadian government (executive branch) rather than through a direct democratic vote by citizens or a specific parliamentary motion solely on recognition. The Canadian government has long supported the principle of a two-state solution, which inherently includes the Palestinian right to self-determination.
- Conditions: The recognition was predicated on several conditions and commitments from the Palestinian Authority, including:
- Fundamental reforms to the PA's governance.
- Holding general elections in 2026 in which the terrorist organization Hamas would play no part.
- Demilitarizing the Palestinian state.
- International Context: Canada's move made it the first G7 nation to recognize a Palestinian state at that time, and it was quickly followed by similar announcements from Australia and the United Kingdom.
- Policy Shift: This formal recognition marked a shift in Canada's longstanding policy, which had previously held that a Palestinian state could only be recognized as an outcome of direct negotiations between the parties. Canada's current position, as outlined by Global Affairs Canada, is available on the official website detailing Canadian policy on key issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
That line, is disputed. I know you want it to not be, but it is what it is. I’m sorry.
Actually, I would really be shocked if Canada deploy troops to “kick the JKK out of Palestine” in all honesty.
For…? Reparations to Israel on borrowed money for what?
(I can recognize that my neighbour at the end of the block has a nicer lawn than me, but it doesn’t make me involved in my neighbor’s lawn at the end of the block)
In ink
Right and on the right side of the IDF line is the "fair game" zone and if you read there wont be negotiations of the border so not really disputed just not fully drawn. It what the UN decides. Not what the Synagogue of Satan whines should theirs.
THANK you!
"The UN" has effectively no power at all. It's a large talking shop, whose edicts have only persuasive force. The only part of the UN that has any power at all is the Security Council, and it has power only insofar as can raise an army from member states and make war.
Can you read?
Two-State solution: The declaration reiterates support for a sovereign, democratic, and viable State of Palestine living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security, based on international law and relevant UN resolutions.
Meaning what? Yes I can read. What does bolded oversized “based on international law and UN resolutions” actually mean in this context?
When the United Nations (and many countries, resolutions, or commentators) refer to "Israel withdrawing to the 1967 borders" or "returning to the June 4, 1967 lines," they mean the armistice lines that existed before the Six-Day War in June 1967. These are commonly called the "Green Line" (because it was drawn in green on the original maps).
Here is exactly what those borders/lines were on June 4, 1967:
1. West Bank (including East Jerusalem)
The entire area west of the Jordan River that had been controlled by Jordan since 1949 (after the 1948–49 war).
This includes all of what is today called the West Bank + East Jerusalem (the Old City, East Jerusalem neighborhoods, etc.).
The border followed the 1949 Armistice Line with Jordan (the "Green Line").
2. Gaza Strip
The coastal strip along the Mediterranean that had been administered by Egypt since 1949.
Its borders were also defined by the 1949 Armistice Agreement with Egypt.
3. Golan Heights
The entire Golan Heights was part of Syria before June 1967.
"1967 lines" means Israel would withdraw from all of the Golan Heights captured in 1967.
4. Sinai Peninsula
All of the Sinai Peninsula was Egyptian territory before 1967.
Israel fully withdrew from Sinai in 1982 under the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty (so this part is no longer disputed in practice).
5. Jerusalem
Jerusalem was divided in 1967:
West Jerusalem → controlled by Israel
East Jerusalem (including the Old City and Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif) → controlled by Jordan
The 1967 line ran right through the city (e.g., No Man’s Land areas, the famous Mandelbaum Gate crossing).
"1967 borders" include all of East Jerusalem on the Palestinian/Jordanian side.
Key UN resolutions that use this phrasing
UN Security Council Resolution 242 (November 1967) – the most famous one – calls for "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" (interpreted by most of the world as withdrawal from all 1967-occupied territories, with possible minor adjustments).
Resolution 338 (1973), General Assembly resolutions, and dozens of later UN votes repeatedly reaffirm "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and call for a solution based on the 1967 lines "with agreed, minor, mutual modifications" or "land swaps."
In practice today
When people or the UN say "Israel must return to the 1967 borders with possible land swaps," they mean:
The default baseline is the Green Line (June 4, 1967).
Large Israeli settlement blocs close to the line (e.g., Gilo, Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel, Gush Etzion) would be annexed to Israel in exchange for Israel transferring equivalent land elsewhere (usually 1:1 land swaps discussed in past negotiations: 2000 Camp David, 2008 Olmert offer, etc.).
So in short: the "1967 borders" = the Green Line = the lines as they existed on June 4, 1967, before the Six-Day War, encompassing the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and (historically) Sinai.