Petros finally has a point. Most of the attacks on Israelis occur when Israelis are in territory that doesn't belong to them.
Hamas attacks Israel
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What does 2023 have to do with anything? Did borders change after 2023?I didn’t say there were no borders for Palestinian, but asked where they were in relation to not crossing them…keeping in mind it’s two years after 2023. Where are Palestines borders in order to not cross them?
Would they have to be? I can think of one specifically that started this thread.
Hamas attacks Israel
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/more-than-200-killed-1-100-wounded-in-hamas-attack-on-israel-rescue-service-says-1.6593063 Fuck Hamas. More proof that neither side wanted peace. The only people I pity are the actual, real innocents who are going to die in this bullshit war, be they Israeli or...forums.canadiancontent.net
Cough up stats or valid links to go with the "whataboutery". Lets see who the cocksuckers are statistically.
Oct 7 happened because of the occupation as did 9-11 and a long long list of other incidents. Its time you accepted this reality.
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New report reveals more funding of protesters involved in anti-Israel agitation
And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Nov 22, 2025 • Last updated 21 hours ago • 4 minute read
Large crowd of pro-Palestinian supporters.
Supporters of Palestine gather at Harvard University to show their support for Palestinians in Gaza at a rally in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Oct. 14, 2023.
Pro-Palestine protestors getting paid to protest.
This newspaper has broken many stories about the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas fringe getting paid to protest. From Victoria to Montreal, we’ve documented how scores of anti-Israel, antisemitic protestors are essentially actors – disrupting neighbourhoods, blocking streets, intimidating Jewish citizens where they live.
In the United States, too, protestors have been paid to show up and agitate. As I write in my coming Random House book The Hidden Hand, and as The New York Post has previously reported, hard-Left interests – such as the George Soros-funded Students for Justice in Palestine, and the Campaign for Palestinian Rights – have supplied protestors with significant amounts, much of it run through an alphabet soup of non-profits.
The amounts are not insubstantial. The Post has reported that a campus-based “fellow” could receive close to US$4,000 a week for devoting eight hours to “organizing campaigns led by Palestinian organizations.”
Now, a shocking new report has revealed even more funding of protests, some of it involving assaults and acts of intimidation against Jews. And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
As the Post’s Canadian-born investigative reporter Isabel Vincent revealed this week, the Muslim nonprofit called CAIR – the Council on American-Islamic Relations – has awarded thousands of dollars to anti-Israel agitators who disrupted colleges and universities since the Hamas-led atrocities of Oct. 7, 2023.
Students paid when disciplined for anti-Israel agitation
Whenever a student was disciplined for their role in anti-Israel agitation, Vincent wrote, CAIR would funnel them cash from something called the “Champions of Justice Fund.” In California alone, more than $100,000 was raised to fund campus radicals and antisemites.
The money was handed out to students who lost “scholarships, housing or other support because of their advocacy,” CAIR admitted. Students at Harvard, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania received funding for protesting.
CAIR is the largest Muslim charity in the United States, receiving hundreds of thousands in donations from mostly far-Left American non-profits and charities. It claims it doesn’t receive any funding from any foreign organization or government – and that only 1% of its donations come from outside the U.S., mostly from Canada.
However, this week, Texas’ Governor Greg Abbott directed a criminal investigation into CAIR “to identify, disrupt, and eradicate terrorist organizations engaged in criminal activities,” Abbott said in a release.
CAIR, which did not respond to this writer’s requests for comment, has rejected Abbott’s criticism and launched a lawsuit against the Texas Governor.
Canadian connection to CAIR
Interestingly, there is a Canadian connection to CAIR. The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) is a powerful lobby and advocacy group based in Ottawa, receiving tens of millions from the Liberal government over several years. For more than a decade, however, the NCCM had a different name – CAIR-CAN.
CAIR-CAN was, according to a December 2003 sworn affidavit by its former board chair, a chapter of CAIR in the U.S.
“CAIR United States had direct control over the charter and quality of the Canadian chapter,” Sheema Khan swore in her affidavit in a separate trademark action. That chapter, Khan testified, “uses the trademarks CAIR and CAIR-CAN … under licence from CAIR United States.”
More recently, the former Chief of Strategic Planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), David Harris, appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. There, Harris testified under oath:
“By about 2004, several significant former U.S. CAIR personalities and other associates had been convicted of terrorism-related offences, CAIR’s former national civil liberties coordinator among them. For a period during her CAIR-CAN chairmanship, Dr. (Sheema) Khan sat on the U.S. CAIR organization’s board (and) CAIR-CAN contributed payments to the Washington office from CAIR-CAN revenue.”
When CAIR-CAN changed its name in 2013, the newly-branded NCCM simply said: “We remain the same organization.”
That’s a problem, say some. The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP), for example, is a scholarly organization that says it is “committed to fighting antisemitism on the battlefield of ideas.”
Recently, ISGAP released an exhaustive, voluminous report on the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in Canada.
Its main claim: Canada’s federal government “has consistently provided financial and political support to organizations and entities that have proven ties to the Muslim Brotherhood … often to the tune of millions of dollars per year.”
The ISGAP report alleges that CAIR, the former parent of CAIR-CAN, had past links to the Muslim Brotherhood, although it does not allege that CAIR itself received financial support from the Muslim Brotherhood.
Elsewhere, the National Council of Canadian Muslims is criticized in the ISGAP report for “a long track record of controversial behavior in the context of promoting radical ideology.”
NCCM spokesman Steven Zhou said: “We categorically reject the nonsensical and false suggestions put forward in (the ISGAP) report.”
Zhou added that NCCM is “an independent Canadian organization governed by a Canadian board and serving Canadians, and no foreign entity has ever exercised control over its work … These recycled, discredited, and bigoted narratives have no other purpose than to perpetuate racist and islamophobic tropes against Muslim Canadians.”
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And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Nov 22, 2025 • Last updated 21 hours ago • 4 minute read
Large crowd of pro-Palestinian supporters.
Supporters of Palestine gather at Harvard University to show their support for Palestinians in Gaza at a rally in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Oct. 14, 2023.
Pro-Palestine protestors getting paid to protest.
This newspaper has broken many stories about the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas fringe getting paid to protest. From Victoria to Montreal, we’ve documented how scores of anti-Israel, antisemitic protestors are essentially actors – disrupting neighbourhoods, blocking streets, intimidating Jewish citizens where they live.
In the United States, too, protestors have been paid to show up and agitate. As I write in my coming Random House book The Hidden Hand, and as The New York Post has previously reported, hard-Left interests – such as the George Soros-funded Students for Justice in Palestine, and the Campaign for Palestinian Rights – have supplied protestors with significant amounts, much of it run through an alphabet soup of non-profits.
The amounts are not insubstantial. The Post has reported that a campus-based “fellow” could receive close to US$4,000 a week for devoting eight hours to “organizing campaigns led by Palestinian organizations.”
Now, a shocking new report has revealed even more funding of protests, some of it involving assaults and acts of intimidation against Jews. And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
As the Post’s Canadian-born investigative reporter Isabel Vincent revealed this week, the Muslim nonprofit called CAIR – the Council on American-Islamic Relations – has awarded thousands of dollars to anti-Israel agitators who disrupted colleges and universities since the Hamas-led atrocities of Oct. 7, 2023.
Students paid when disciplined for anti-Israel agitation
Whenever a student was disciplined for their role in anti-Israel agitation, Vincent wrote, CAIR would funnel them cash from something called the “Champions of Justice Fund.” In California alone, more than $100,000 was raised to fund campus radicals and antisemites.
The money was handed out to students who lost “scholarships, housing or other support because of their advocacy,” CAIR admitted. Students at Harvard, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania received funding for protesting.
CAIR is the largest Muslim charity in the United States, receiving hundreds of thousands in donations from mostly far-Left American non-profits and charities. It claims it doesn’t receive any funding from any foreign organization or government – and that only 1% of its donations come from outside the U.S., mostly from Canada.
However, this week, Texas’ Governor Greg Abbott directed a criminal investigation into CAIR “to identify, disrupt, and eradicate terrorist organizations engaged in criminal activities,” Abbott said in a release.
CAIR, which did not respond to this writer’s requests for comment, has rejected Abbott’s criticism and launched a lawsuit against the Texas Governor.
Canadian connection to CAIR
Interestingly, there is a Canadian connection to CAIR. The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) is a powerful lobby and advocacy group based in Ottawa, receiving tens of millions from the Liberal government over several years. For more than a decade, however, the NCCM had a different name – CAIR-CAN.
CAIR-CAN was, according to a December 2003 sworn affidavit by its former board chair, a chapter of CAIR in the U.S.
“CAIR United States had direct control over the charter and quality of the Canadian chapter,” Sheema Khan swore in her affidavit in a separate trademark action. That chapter, Khan testified, “uses the trademarks CAIR and CAIR-CAN … under licence from CAIR United States.”
More recently, the former Chief of Strategic Planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), David Harris, appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. There, Harris testified under oath:
“By about 2004, several significant former U.S. CAIR personalities and other associates had been convicted of terrorism-related offences, CAIR’s former national civil liberties coordinator among them. For a period during her CAIR-CAN chairmanship, Dr. (Sheema) Khan sat on the U.S. CAIR organization’s board (and) CAIR-CAN contributed payments to the Washington office from CAIR-CAN revenue.”
When CAIR-CAN changed its name in 2013, the newly-branded NCCM simply said: “We remain the same organization.”
That’s a problem, say some. The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP), for example, is a scholarly organization that says it is “committed to fighting antisemitism on the battlefield of ideas.”
Recently, ISGAP released an exhaustive, voluminous report on the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in Canada.
Its main claim: Canada’s federal government “has consistently provided financial and political support to organizations and entities that have proven ties to the Muslim Brotherhood … often to the tune of millions of dollars per year.”
The ISGAP report alleges that CAIR, the former parent of CAIR-CAN, had past links to the Muslim Brotherhood, although it does not allege that CAIR itself received financial support from the Muslim Brotherhood.
Elsewhere, the National Council of Canadian Muslims is criticized in the ISGAP report for “a long track record of controversial behavior in the context of promoting radical ideology.”
NCCM spokesman Steven Zhou said: “We categorically reject the nonsensical and false suggestions put forward in (the ISGAP) report.”
Zhou added that NCCM is “an independent Canadian organization governed by a Canadian board and serving Canadians, and no foreign entity has ever exercised control over its work … These recycled, discredited, and bigoted narratives have no other purpose than to perpetuate racist and islamophobic tropes against Muslim Canadians.”
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Exclusive | Muslim group CAIR cutting $1,000 checks for anti-Israel agitators who have been disciplined by colleges
A controversial Muslim nonprofit used cash from its donors to reward agitators who set up anti-Israel encampments at US colleges, according to a bombshell new report.
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Soros and other elites are funding the campus agitators stoking anti-Israel, antisemitic protests
The Post has learned that left-leaning philanthropist George Soros and other left elites are funding the student radicals who are fueling the nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protests.
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An explosive inside look into the highly-planned and well-funded global propaganda campaign to delegitimize Israel and sow the seeds of antisemitism in the aftermath of October 7th.
KINSELLA: Protesters paid to take part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations
They’re being paid to protest. What many have suspected has now been confirmed.
KINSELLA: New report reveals more funding of protesters involved in anti-Israel agitation
A shocking new report has revealed even more funding of protests, some of it involving assaults and intimidation against Jews. Read more.
Warren Kinsella is a paid hasbara schill.New report reveals more funding of protesters involved in anti-Israel agitation
And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Nov 22, 2025 • Last updated 21 hours ago • 4 minute read
Large crowd of pro-Palestinian supporters.
Supporters of Palestine gather at Harvard University to show their support for Palestinians in Gaza at a rally in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Oct. 14, 2023.
Pro-Palestine protestors getting paid to protest.
This newspaper has broken many stories about the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas fringe getting paid to protest. From Victoria to Montreal, we’ve documented how scores of anti-Israel, antisemitic protestors are essentially actors – disrupting neighbourhoods, blocking streets, intimidating Jewish citizens where they live.
In the United States, too, protestors have been paid to show up and agitate. As I write in my coming Random House book The Hidden Hand, and as The New York Post has previously reported, hard-Left interests – such as the George Soros-funded Students for Justice in Palestine, and the Campaign for Palestinian Rights – have supplied protestors with significant amounts, much of it run through an alphabet soup of non-profits.
The amounts are not insubstantial. The Post has reported that a campus-based “fellow” could receive close to US$4,000 a week for devoting eight hours to “organizing campaigns led by Palestinian organizations.”
Now, a shocking new report has revealed even more funding of protests, some of it involving assaults and acts of intimidation against Jews. And the organization offering the funding has had a Canadian connection.
As the Post’s Canadian-born investigative reporter Isabel Vincent revealed this week, the Muslim nonprofit called CAIR – the Council on American-Islamic Relations – has awarded thousands of dollars to anti-Israel agitators who disrupted colleges and universities since the Hamas-led atrocities of Oct. 7, 2023.
Students paid when disciplined for anti-Israel agitation
Whenever a student was disciplined for their role in anti-Israel agitation, Vincent wrote, CAIR would funnel them cash from something called the “Champions of Justice Fund.” In California alone, more than $100,000 was raised to fund campus radicals and antisemites.
The money was handed out to students who lost “scholarships, housing or other support because of their advocacy,” CAIR admitted. Students at Harvard, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania received funding for protesting.
CAIR is the largest Muslim charity in the United States, receiving hundreds of thousands in donations from mostly far-Left American non-profits and charities. It claims it doesn’t receive any funding from any foreign organization or government – and that only 1% of its donations come from outside the U.S., mostly from Canada.
However, this week, Texas’ Governor Greg Abbott directed a criminal investigation into CAIR “to identify, disrupt, and eradicate terrorist organizations engaged in criminal activities,” Abbott said in a release.
CAIR, which did not respond to this writer’s requests for comment, has rejected Abbott’s criticism and launched a lawsuit against the Texas Governor.
Canadian connection to CAIR
Interestingly, there is a Canadian connection to CAIR. The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) is a powerful lobby and advocacy group based in Ottawa, receiving tens of millions from the Liberal government over several years. For more than a decade, however, the NCCM had a different name – CAIR-CAN.
CAIR-CAN was, according to a December 2003 sworn affidavit by its former board chair, a chapter of CAIR in the U.S.
“CAIR United States had direct control over the charter and quality of the Canadian chapter,” Sheema Khan swore in her affidavit in a separate trademark action. That chapter, Khan testified, “uses the trademarks CAIR and CAIR-CAN … under licence from CAIR United States.”
More recently, the former Chief of Strategic Planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), David Harris, appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. There, Harris testified under oath:
“By about 2004, several significant former U.S. CAIR personalities and other associates had been convicted of terrorism-related offences, CAIR’s former national civil liberties coordinator among them. For a period during her CAIR-CAN chairmanship, Dr. (Sheema) Khan sat on the U.S. CAIR organization’s board (and) CAIR-CAN contributed payments to the Washington office from CAIR-CAN revenue.”
When CAIR-CAN changed its name in 2013, the newly-branded NCCM simply said: “We remain the same organization.”
That’s a problem, say some. The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy (ISGAP), for example, is a scholarly organization that says it is “committed to fighting antisemitism on the battlefield of ideas.”
Recently, ISGAP released an exhaustive, voluminous report on the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in Canada.
Its main claim: Canada’s federal government “has consistently provided financial and political support to organizations and entities that have proven ties to the Muslim Brotherhood … often to the tune of millions of dollars per year.”
The ISGAP report alleges that CAIR, the former parent of CAIR-CAN, had past links to the Muslim Brotherhood, although it does not allege that CAIR itself received financial support from the Muslim Brotherhood.
Elsewhere, the National Council of Canadian Muslims is criticized in the ISGAP report for “a long track record of controversial behavior in the context of promoting radical ideology.”
NCCM spokesman Steven Zhou said: “We categorically reject the nonsensical and false suggestions put forward in (the ISGAP) report.”
Zhou added that NCCM is “an independent Canadian organization governed by a Canadian board and serving Canadians, and no foreign entity has ever exercised control over its work … These recycled, discredited, and bigoted narratives have no other purpose than to perpetuate racist and islamophobic tropes against Muslim Canadians.”
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A controversial Muslim nonprofit used cash from its donors to reward agitators who set up anti-Israel encampments at US colleges, according to a bombshell new report.Soros and other elites are funding the campus agitators stoking anti-Israel, antisemitic protests
The Post has learned that left-leaning philanthropist George Soros and other left elites are funding the student radicals who are fueling the nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protests.The Hidden Hand by Warren Kinsella | Penguin Random House Canada
An explosive inside look into the highly-planned and well-funded global propaganda campaign to delegitimize Israel and sow the seeds of antisemitism in the aftermath of October 7th.KINSELLA: Protesters paid to take part in pro-Palestinian demonstrations
They’re being paid to protest. What many have suspected has now been confirmed.KINSELLA: New report reveals more funding of protesters involved in anti-Israel agitation
A shocking new report has revealed even more funding of protests, some of it involving assaults and intimidation against Jews. Read more.
Israel isnt a Jew
Zionism isnt a Jew
Slavics arent Semites
2023 + 2 =2,025.
2023 + 2 =2,025.
2023 + 2 =2,025.
These ones are terrorist attacks on Israelis in Israel. It only goes up to Oct 2023 though. Is this the territory that Israelis should avoid to not be attacked?
What does it have to do with anything?
Did they? What were the borders in 2023 and 2025, and we can compare the two of them I guess.
Ok. Why statistically? Like, “Go Soreboard?” Which year, since its inception, did Israelis not face terrorism inside Israel? Unless Israel is the territory that Israelis are suppose to stay out of?
Is this a river to the sea thing? Occupation based upon which borders?
Define Palestinians borders? Or not.
Oh yeah, here’s link to above stats:
Is he wrong? Is he lying, while being all Hasbara in your opinion?
Water is wet, etc…?
The most holistic recent estimate, from PCBS's May 2024 report marking the 76th anniversary of the Nakba, states that approximately 134,000 Palestinians and Arabs have been killed since 1948, both inside and outside
Palestine.203fcb24ba8deba9eb This includes deaths from wars, intifadas, operations, and other conflict-related violence attributed to Israeli actions. By June 2025 (post-ceasefire in the ongoing Gaza war), updated Gaza Health Ministry data adds roughly 20,000 more deaths (totaling ~50,000 in Gaza since October 2023), pushing the cumulative figure to over 150,000.23c608 These numbers encompass both direct killings (e.g., airstrikes, shootings) and indirect ones (e.g., from blockades or lack of medical access), though not all sources distinguish them.
Lower estimates, such as ~91,000 Palestinian fatalities up to 2021 (from Wikipedia's aggregation of verified war casualties), exclude unverified or indirect deaths and predate the 2023–2025 Gaza war.c506c2128058 Jewish Virtual Library's totals for Arab-Israeli conflicts (~73,000 Arab deaths since 1948) include non-Palestinians (e.g., Egyptian, Syrian forces) and are contested for undercounting Palestinian civilians.ad43a61be908
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If they dont want backlash, dont do genocides, apartheid or ethnic cleansing.
They can't play victim any longer. Zionism is in its death throws.
Israel isnt a Jew. Israel is being protested against as a nation.
Stop conflating. Kinsella conflates.
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From post 6916:
Is this the Palestine that Israelis are suppose to stay out of? Before 1948, no state of "Israel" existed, and maps of the time showed different political entities like "Palestine" under the British Mandate.
From post 6917:
From post 6920:
From post 6925:
…& here we are. Which borders, of Palestine, are you describing in your statement of, “…stay the fuck out of Palestine”…?
Is this the Palestine that Israelis are suppose to stay out of? Before 1948, no state of "Israel" existed, and maps of the time showed different political entities like "Palestine" under the British Mandate.
Yes, of coarse. That’s why I’m asking what you are specifying with your above statement? If you don’t wanna answer that, just say so, and we’ll move on…but without that definition/explanation, your statement here means nothing.
How are “you” defining Palestine’s borders with respect to your statement? Is it this:
Or something else?
Ok. I get it. You can’t or won’t answer the question. I accept that you concede here, and you keep pointing out that it’s 2025, so please post the map of these agreed upon borders showing (based upon 2025 I guess) the national borders of Palestine, or don’t. Whatever. While the international community often refers to the 1967 lines (which are really the 1949 green armistice lines) as the basis for a future two-state solution with mutually agreed-upon land swaps, these borders have not been formalized in a binding agreement between the two parties, but that’s neither here nor there. You brought this up and it’s your point to defend, or not. Whatever…
Were the 1949 Armistice lines (let’s just call them the green lines cause it’s way easier to spell), ever meant to be national borders? Or are you talking about something else entirely with:
“If you dont want to be attacked by Palestinians, stay the fuck out of Palestine” ?
I did answer your leading question but didnt follow so now what?
Its not 1949 is it?
Have the borders not been defined and currently in use in 2025?
Yes they have or no they haven't. What is it ?
Either way if you dont want to get killed, dont go where you dont belong.
To the best of my knowledge, no, they have not. Doesn’t mean they haven’t been, but just that if they have, I haven’t seen it and aren’t aware of it.
That’s what I’m asking you, if the borders are actually agreed upon, then I missed that and am unaware of it. If Israelis need to not cross them in order to not be attacked, then having them defined and agreed upon would be a good thing, right?
This is what I can find:
Now maybe something has happened that I’m not aware of. Wouldn’t surprise me. I have no idea what definition of Palestines borders “you” are referring to or using in:
…but you would think having them defined would be the basis of your statement above, or else your statement above is Absolute horseshit, right?
How are you, or whatever you’re alluding to ‘cuz it’s
Ugh…where are these borders so that everybody knows where they can & can’t go? Who decided upon them? Who agreed to them? Based upon what & when & when? On what date where these borders mutually (or not mutually) agreed upon?
The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence) that they were not creating permanent borders.
The Egyptian–Israeli agreement, for example, stated that "the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question."
Similar provisions are contained in the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Syria. The Agreement with Lebanon contained no such provisions, and was treated as the international border between Israel and Lebanon, stipulating only that forces would be withdrawn to the Israel–Lebanon border.
The Green Line is often referred to as the "pre-1967 borders" or the "1967 borders" by many international bodies and national leaders, including former United States president Barack Obama, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, the United Nations (UN) in informal texts, and in the text of UN General Assembly resolutions. The name comes from the green ink used to draw the line on the map during armistice talks…& at Arab insistence…are NOT to be used as permanent borders, etc…in the 1949 agreements, etc…
But of course, this would have nothing to do with the national borders of 2025 of Palestine, so what are they then ‘cuz I’m not seeing it? Maybe it’s because I’m using Google, and Google is old or tired or Hasbara or whatever, but that’s what I’m seeing.
After the Six-Day War, the territories captured by Israel beyond the Green Line came to be designated as East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. These territories are often referred to as Israeli-occupied territories. The Sinai Peninsula, which was also captured at that time, has since been returned to Egypt as part of the 1979 peace treaty…but that’s not 2025 so that’s neither here nor there either.
Resolution 242
It never went away and is still part of the New York Declaration.
We know those borders and what is occupied illegally inside those borders. If US forces came rolling across our border trying to create an Amish Homeland in Red River Valley on Mennonite turf is it a legit Amish settlement?
Would you allow it or resist it?
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Resolution 242, based upon the Green (Armistice) lines from 1949 that where explicitly agreed-upon as to not be permanent borders at Arab insistence? Then the UN decides this in 1967 with the agreement of parties that this would affect then?
On 1 May 1968, the Israeli ambassador to the UN expressed Israel's position to the Security Council: "My government has indicated its acceptance of the Security Council resolution for the promotion of agreement on the establishment of a just and lasting peace. I am also authorized to reaffirm that we are willing to seek agreement with each Arab State on all matters included in that resolution." This Resolution 242?
Resolution 242 that the PLO on behalf of Palestine rejected in 1968? That Resolution 242? The one the PLO rejected the resolution immediately after its adoption, calling it "fundamentally and gravely inconsistent with the Arab character of Palestine" and the "essence of the Palestine cause"? That Resolution 242?
The one the PLO rejected because it did not recognize the political dimension of the Palestinian problem, focusing instead on a refugee issue, and it lacked clarity on the “extent” of Israeli withdrawal from “occupied territories.” That Resolution 242?
The one the PLO officially accepted eventually in 1988 (two decades later) when it proclaimed the establishment of a Palestinian state. This acceptance was based on the idea that the resolution could be used to negotiate Israel's withdrawal from “Palestinian territories” in line with the pre-1967 borders…= 1949 Armistice (Green) lines that where agreed upon to not be permanent borders at Arab existence? That Resolution 242? If so, that’s more than a bit revisionist, wouldn’t you agree?
United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia
It sure as shit definitely is not. It’s also not 1967, or any other year for the next several weeks, except 2025. I keep getting told that it’s 2025 repeatedly for some reason.
Ok, so what final borders where negotiated between the parties, with mutually agreed-upon land swaps, I’m assuming?
Actually, we don’t. We know what some parties are alluding to, but here we are.
Yeah…& that statement would be valid after the final borders are negotiated between the parties involved, again with mutually agreed-upon land swaps, once that happens, if that’s then violated.