US$ 540,381
About $US 3 billion a year.
Put simply, Israel's largest chunk of money, by a long shot, comes from U.S. aid.
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Is that why Hamas is proposing a deal to release the remaining 24 or less living holocaustages & the 45 or more less alive holocaustages now instead of piecemeal proposals? I’ve heard Hamas is recently having financial issues.
Palestine | World Food Programme
The World Food Programme (WFP) has depleted all its food stocks in Gaza.Hundreds of thousands of people are at risk of severe hunger and malnutrition, with borders closed to aid since 2 March. Unless they are reopened, WFP’s critical assistance may be forced to end.All 25 WFP-supported WFP bakeries
How have food prices (for foreign aid given to
Whomever is taking the foreign aid, and selling it to the Palestinians, that there are serious nutrition concerns for vulnerable people, including children under 5, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and elderly people?
$3.8B a year from US alone then a couple more $Billion in "donations" from a couple US based groups. This aid is being illegally used to fund terrorist operations in West Bank.
Aid has been blockaded ahain by Israel.Is that why Hamas is proposing a deal to release the remaining 24 or less living holocaustages & the 45 or more less alive holocaustages now instead of piecemeal proposals? I’ve heard Hamas is recently having financial issues.
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The World Food Programme (WFP) has depleted all its food stocks in Gaza.Hundreds of thousands of people are at risk of severe hunger and malnutrition, with borders closed to aid since 2 March. Unless they are reopened, WFP’s critical assistance may be forced to end.All 25 WFP-supported WFP bakerieswww.wfp.org
How have food prices (for foreign aid given toHamasGaza/Palestine) increased 1400%? Who’s charging whom for the foreign aid given to Gaza for it to have increased from 0% to anything higher than 0%?
Whomever is taking the foreign aid, and selling it to the Palestinians, that there are serious nutrition concerns for vulnerable people, including children under 5, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and elderly people?
Is that why Hamas is proposing a deal to release the remaining 24 or less living holocaustages & the 45 or more less alive holocaustages now instead of piecemeal proposals? I’ve heard Hamas is recently having financial issues.
View attachment 28913Palestine | World Food Programme
The World Food Programme (WFP) has depleted all its food stocks in Gaza.Hundreds of thousands of people are at risk of severe hunger and malnutrition, with borders closed to aid since 2 March. Unless they are reopened, WFP’s critical assistance may be forced to end.All 25 WFP-supported WFP bakeries
How have food prices (for foreign aid given toHamasGaza/Palestine) increased 1400%? Who’s charging whom for the foreign aid given to Gaza for it to have increased from 0% to anything higher than 0%?
Whomever is taking the foreign aid, and selling it to the Palestinians, that there are serious nutrition concerns for vulnerable people, including children under 5, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and elderly people?
Gaza: UN official warns of 'assault on dignity' as blockade cripples humanitarian response
The coming days in Gaza are set to be critical, the UN warned on Saturday, as humanitarian operations are severely curtailed amid an intensifying blockade, escalating violence, and soaring humanitarian needs.
Pete’s usually answering by assigning homework assignments for others to do, & now you’re doing his homework? He’s like Tom Sawyer with the white wash.
(In all honesty I never did the math, & had no idea. Figured I’d set it up for the research project so he could do it himself)
Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia
Does Israel have rare Earth minerals (or the equivalent there of) that others covet (?) or is its existence justification enough for it allies and enemies both?
Never said it was, & it’s not to win the hearts & minds of the western media, so…
(Inside Gaza)
Maybe it’s a perspective thing on my part?
Maybe it’s a perspective thing on others parts?
Who was attaching dollar figures to the aid in Gaza in the first place for it to increase at all? Maybe that’s neither here nor there, but then so would the claim of this below be, right?
Food being expensive is a real headscratcher aint it. 7 weeks without will do that.Pete’s usually answering by assigning homework assignments for others to do, & now you’re doing his homework? He’s like Tom Sawyer with the white wash.
(In all honesty I never did the math, & had no idea. Figured I’d set it up for the research project so he could do it himself)
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Why Israel’s self-sufficiency or lack there of is relevant to its being attacked by its neighbours is a different story though I guess, but here we are.Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia
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Does Israel have rare Earth minerals (or the equivalent there of) that others covet (?) or is its existence justification enough for it allies and enemies both?
Never said it was, & it’s not to win the hearts & minds of the western media, so…
(Inside Gaza)
Maybe it’s a perspective thing on my part?
Maybe it’s a perspective thing on others parts?
Who was attaching dollar figures to the aid in Gaza in the first place for it to increase at all? Maybe that’s neither here nor there, but then so would the claim of this below be, right?
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You numbers come from the UN and they tell you why?
- 25 April 2025
"Today, WFP delivered its last remaining food stocks to hot meals kitchens," it warned. "These kitchens are expected to fully run out of food in the coming days."
Israel cut off aid on 2 March and resumed its offensive two weeks later after the collapse of a two-month ceasefire, saying it was putting pressure on Hamas to release its remaining hostages.
The UN says Israel is obliged under international law to ensure supplies for the 2.1 million Palestinians in Gaza. Israel says it is complying with international law and there is no aid shortage.
At the end of March, all 25 bakeries supported by the WFP in Gaza were forced to close after wheat flour and cooking fuel ran out. Food parcels distributed to families containing two weeks' rations were also exhausted.
Malnutrition is also rapidly worsening, according to the UN. Last week, one of its humanitarian partners screened 1,300 children in northern Gaza and identified more than 80 cases of acute malnutrition - a two-fold increase from previous weeks.
The UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) says there are also severe shortages of medicine, medical supplies and equipment for hospitals overwhelmed by casualties from the Israeli bombardment, and that fuel shortages are hampering water production and distribution.
World Health Organization (WHO) director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said "an awful and grim moment" had been reached in Gaza.
"This aid blockade must end. Lives depend on it."
Food prices had skyrocketed by up to 1,400% compared to during the ceasefire, and the shortages of essential commodities raised serious nutrition concerns for vulnerable populations, including children under five, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and the elderly, it warned.
"The situation inside the Gaza Strip has once again reached a breaking point: people are running out of ways to cope, and the fragile gains made during the short ceasefire have unravelled. Without urgent action to open borders for aid and trade to enter, WFP's critical assistance may be forced to end," the agency said.
"WFP urges all parties to prioritize the needs of civilians and allow aid to enter Gaza immediately and uphold their obligations under international humanitarian law."
More than 116,000 tonnes of food assistance - enough to feed one million people for up to four months - is positioned at aid corridors and is ready to be delivered as soon as Israel reopens Gaza's border crossings, according to the agency.
In the meantime, WFP Country Director Antoine Renard told the BBC the agency was trying everything it could to keep the hot meals kitchens running.
"More than 80% of the population... have been displaced during the war. And just since 18 March [when the Israeli offensive restarted], you've got more than 400,000 people who have been displaced once again," he said.
"Every time you move, every time you lose assets. So these kitchens are so essential for people to have a basic meal."
However, even when fully supplied, the kitchens have been reaching just half the population with only 25% of daily food needs.
Gavin Kelleher, humanitarian access manager with the Norwegian Refugee Council, told the BBC from central Gaza that once the kitchens' food stocks ran out they would no longer able to provide anything.
To survive, he said, people were eating less, bartering to "exchange a bag of diapers for lentils or cooking oil", or selling what belongings they have left to try to get cash to access remaining food supplies.
He added that begging was also taking place on a scale not seen before in Gaza, but that people were not able to give to others anymore.
"The desperation is really, really severe."
Whats the hold up? They didnt kill enough women and children yet?
What part of its existence involves illegally occupying and settling the West Bank?
Why is it appalling if Palestinians fight back or get support from around the world including initiating war crimes against Israel?
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I’m aware of what you’re trying to say, as the information you’re posting above, I cited myself five posts above it. I don’t think you’re grasping what I’m trying to explain/question, but it is what it is.
Does Prime Minister Carney know what genocide means?
His repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless.
Author of the article:Alan Kessel, Special to Toronto Sun
Published Apr 26, 2025 • Last updated 16 hours ago • 4 minute read
At a recent Liberal Party rally, Prime Minister Mark Carney responded to a heckler who accused Israel of perpetrating a genocide in Gaza with the words: “I’m aware. It’s why we have an arms embargo.” That sentence was not just a deflection — it was a tacit endorsement of one of the most dangerous and legally baseless accusations circulating in today’s global discourse.
Unfortunately, it was not an isolated incident. During the French-language leaders’ debate on April 16, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh invoked the charge of genocide in Gaza. Carney had an opportunity to push back, clarify, and reject the slanderous misuse of the term. He did not. Instead, he remained silent in the face of Singh’s framing, effectively allowing the accusation to stand unchallenged.
Then, in the English-language debate on April 17, Singh again accused Israel of committing genocide and directly criticized Carney for failing to acknowledge that fact and do more to stop it. This time, Carney responded by focusing entirely on humanitarian aid, stating that $100 million was ready to be sent to agencies assisting Gazans. He made no mention of Israel’s right to self-defence, nor did he challenge Singh’s inflammatory rhetoric. Once again, the moral asymmetry was stunning.
And yet, across both debates, not a single federal leader made reference to the eight Canadians who were brutally murdered by Hamas on Oct. 7, 2023.
To be sure, Carney has condemned Hamas. He has recognized that the group is responsible for horrific violence. But what is revealing is that his condemnation is never the starting point. He leads with calls for a ceasefire, the release of hostages, and the rebuilding of Gaza. That sequence matters. The release of hostages should be the first and non-negotiable demand. And the removal of Hamas, a genocidal terror organization, should be a red line — not an afterthought.
There was, however, one notable exception to the broader pattern of moral equivocation: Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who has consistently defended Israel’s right to self-defence and has called for strong action against Hamas sympathizers threatening Jews in Canada. Poilievre has demonstrated clarity about the threat, justice for the victims, and support for Israel as a democratic ally facing existential stakes.
The contrast could not be more stark. In the face of the worst antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust — an attack that left over 1,200 people dead, including infants and the elderly, many raped, burned, mutilated, and taken hostage — Carney has failed to centre the atrocity, failed to elevate the victims, and failed to articulate Israel’s moral and legal right to defend itself.
Let us be clear: the term “genocide” has a specific legal meaning under the 1948 Genocide Convention. It requires intent “to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” There is no credible evidence that Israel has acted with genocidal intent. Civilian casualties — heartbreaking though they are — do not constitute genocide, particularly in a war where Hamas has deliberately used its own people as human shields and launched attacks from within hospitals, homes, and schools.
By contrast, Oct. 7 bore all the hallmarks of genocide. While Hamas did strike some military targets, the brunt of its assault was directed at civilians — families slaughtered in their homes, children burned alive, elderly women taken hostage, young people hunted at a music festival. That was not collateral damage. That was the mission. The extermination of Jews was the goal — an act of genocidal intent, by every standard of international law.
Carney’s repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless. Israel is doing what the West has neither the will nor capacity to do: confront and eliminate a radical Islamist death cult backed by Iran. Weakening Israel undermines the West. Enabling Hamas is not just a danger to Israelis. It is a danger to Canadians, Americans, Europeans, and anyone who lives in a free society.
This moment demands more than slogans, soundbites, or bureaucratic pragmatism. It demands moral leadership — the ability to prioritize hostages over headlines, red lines over rhetoric, and justice over political convenience.
When Singh accuses Israel of genocide, the right response is not polite evasion or pivoting to aid. It is to reject the accusation, condemn Hamas’s atrocities, and affirm that the survival of Israel — and the dismantling of Hamas — are in Canada’s national interest.
Carney failed to do that — not once, but repeatedly. And in doing so, he failed not only the Jewish people and the Israeli state, but also the standards and values Canada claims to uphold.
— Alan Kessel is a senior fellow at the Macdonald Laurier Institute and a former legal adviser to the Government of Canada and deputy high commissioner of Canada to the United Kingdom.
torontosun.com
His repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless.
Author of the article:Alan Kessel, Special to Toronto Sun
Published Apr 26, 2025 • Last updated 16 hours ago • 4 minute read
At a recent Liberal Party rally, Prime Minister Mark Carney responded to a heckler who accused Israel of perpetrating a genocide in Gaza with the words: “I’m aware. It’s why we have an arms embargo.” That sentence was not just a deflection — it was a tacit endorsement of one of the most dangerous and legally baseless accusations circulating in today’s global discourse.
Unfortunately, it was not an isolated incident. During the French-language leaders’ debate on April 16, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh invoked the charge of genocide in Gaza. Carney had an opportunity to push back, clarify, and reject the slanderous misuse of the term. He did not. Instead, he remained silent in the face of Singh’s framing, effectively allowing the accusation to stand unchallenged.
Then, in the English-language debate on April 17, Singh again accused Israel of committing genocide and directly criticized Carney for failing to acknowledge that fact and do more to stop it. This time, Carney responded by focusing entirely on humanitarian aid, stating that $100 million was ready to be sent to agencies assisting Gazans. He made no mention of Israel’s right to self-defence, nor did he challenge Singh’s inflammatory rhetoric. Once again, the moral asymmetry was stunning.
And yet, across both debates, not a single federal leader made reference to the eight Canadians who were brutally murdered by Hamas on Oct. 7, 2023.
To be sure, Carney has condemned Hamas. He has recognized that the group is responsible for horrific violence. But what is revealing is that his condemnation is never the starting point. He leads with calls for a ceasefire, the release of hostages, and the rebuilding of Gaza. That sequence matters. The release of hostages should be the first and non-negotiable demand. And the removal of Hamas, a genocidal terror organization, should be a red line — not an afterthought.
There was, however, one notable exception to the broader pattern of moral equivocation: Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who has consistently defended Israel’s right to self-defence and has called for strong action against Hamas sympathizers threatening Jews in Canada. Poilievre has demonstrated clarity about the threat, justice for the victims, and support for Israel as a democratic ally facing existential stakes.
The contrast could not be more stark. In the face of the worst antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust — an attack that left over 1,200 people dead, including infants and the elderly, many raped, burned, mutilated, and taken hostage — Carney has failed to centre the atrocity, failed to elevate the victims, and failed to articulate Israel’s moral and legal right to defend itself.
Let us be clear: the term “genocide” has a specific legal meaning under the 1948 Genocide Convention. It requires intent “to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” There is no credible evidence that Israel has acted with genocidal intent. Civilian casualties — heartbreaking though they are — do not constitute genocide, particularly in a war where Hamas has deliberately used its own people as human shields and launched attacks from within hospitals, homes, and schools.
By contrast, Oct. 7 bore all the hallmarks of genocide. While Hamas did strike some military targets, the brunt of its assault was directed at civilians — families slaughtered in their homes, children burned alive, elderly women taken hostage, young people hunted at a music festival. That was not collateral damage. That was the mission. The extermination of Jews was the goal — an act of genocidal intent, by every standard of international law.
Carney’s repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless. Israel is doing what the West has neither the will nor capacity to do: confront and eliminate a radical Islamist death cult backed by Iran. Weakening Israel undermines the West. Enabling Hamas is not just a danger to Israelis. It is a danger to Canadians, Americans, Europeans, and anyone who lives in a free society.
This moment demands more than slogans, soundbites, or bureaucratic pragmatism. It demands moral leadership — the ability to prioritize hostages over headlines, red lines over rhetoric, and justice over political convenience.
When Singh accuses Israel of genocide, the right response is not polite evasion or pivoting to aid. It is to reject the accusation, condemn Hamas’s atrocities, and affirm that the survival of Israel — and the dismantling of Hamas — are in Canada’s national interest.
Carney failed to do that — not once, but repeatedly. And in doing so, he failed not only the Jewish people and the Israeli state, but also the standards and values Canada claims to uphold.
— Alan Kessel is a senior fellow at the Macdonald Laurier Institute and a former legal adviser to the Government of Canada and deputy high commissioner of Canada to the United Kingdom.
KESSEL: Does Prime Minister Carney know what genocide means?
At a recent Liberal Party rally, Mark Carney responded to a heckler who accused Israel of perpetrating a genocide in Gaza.
Indiscriminate bombing and now 7 weeks of starving? It's not a love fest that's for sure but definely war crimes and crimes against humanity.Does Prime Minister Carney know what genocide means?
His repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless.
Author of the article:Alan Kessel, Special to Toronto Sun
Published Apr 26, 2025 • Last updated 16 hours ago • 4 minute read
At a recent Liberal Party rally, Prime Minister Mark Carney responded to a heckler who accused Israel of perpetrating a genocide in Gaza with the words: “I’m aware. It’s why we have an arms embargo.” That sentence was not just a deflection — it was a tacit endorsement of one of the most dangerous and legally baseless accusations circulating in today’s global discourse.
Unfortunately, it was not an isolated incident. During the French-language leaders’ debate on April 16, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh invoked the charge of genocide in Gaza. Carney had an opportunity to push back, clarify, and reject the slanderous misuse of the term. He did not. Instead, he remained silent in the face of Singh’s framing, effectively allowing the accusation to stand unchallenged.
Then, in the English-language debate on April 17, Singh again accused Israel of committing genocide and directly criticized Carney for failing to acknowledge that fact and do more to stop it. This time, Carney responded by focusing entirely on humanitarian aid, stating that $100 million was ready to be sent to agencies assisting Gazans. He made no mention of Israel’s right to self-defence, nor did he challenge Singh’s inflammatory rhetoric. Once again, the moral asymmetry was stunning.
And yet, across both debates, not a single federal leader made reference to the eight Canadians who were brutally murdered by Hamas on Oct. 7, 2023.
To be sure, Carney has condemned Hamas. He has recognized that the group is responsible for horrific violence. But what is revealing is that his condemnation is never the starting point. He leads with calls for a ceasefire, the release of hostages, and the rebuilding of Gaza. That sequence matters. The release of hostages should be the first and non-negotiable demand. And the removal of Hamas, a genocidal terror organization, should be a red line — not an afterthought.
There was, however, one notable exception to the broader pattern of moral equivocation: Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, who has consistently defended Israel’s right to self-defence and has called for strong action against Hamas sympathizers threatening Jews in Canada. Poilievre has demonstrated clarity about the threat, justice for the victims, and support for Israel as a democratic ally facing existential stakes.
The contrast could not be more stark. In the face of the worst antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust — an attack that left over 1,200 people dead, including infants and the elderly, many raped, burned, mutilated, and taken hostage — Carney has failed to centre the atrocity, failed to elevate the victims, and failed to articulate Israel’s moral and legal right to defend itself.
Let us be clear: the term “genocide” has a specific legal meaning under the 1948 Genocide Convention. It requires intent “to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” There is no credible evidence that Israel has acted with genocidal intent. Civilian casualties — heartbreaking though they are — do not constitute genocide, particularly in a war where Hamas has deliberately used its own people as human shields and launched attacks from within hospitals, homes, and schools.
By contrast, Oct. 7 bore all the hallmarks of genocide. While Hamas did strike some military targets, the brunt of its assault was directed at civilians — families slaughtered in their homes, children burned alive, elderly women taken hostage, young people hunted at a music festival. That was not collateral damage. That was the mission. The extermination of Jews was the goal — an act of genocidal intent, by every standard of international law.
Carney’s repeated emphasis on funding for Gaza — without matching clarity on the cause of the war or the nature of the enemy — is not just morally imbalanced, it is geopolitically reckless. Israel is doing what the West has neither the will nor capacity to do: confront and eliminate a radical Islamist death cult backed by Iran. Weakening Israel undermines the West. Enabling Hamas is not just a danger to Israelis. It is a danger to Canadians, Americans, Europeans, and anyone who lives in a free society.
This moment demands more than slogans, soundbites, or bureaucratic pragmatism. It demands moral leadership — the ability to prioritize hostages over headlines, red lines over rhetoric, and justice over political convenience.
When Singh accuses Israel of genocide, the right response is not polite evasion or pivoting to aid. It is to reject the accusation, condemn Hamas’s atrocities, and affirm that the survival of Israel — and the dismantling of Hamas — are in Canada’s national interest.
Carney failed to do that — not once, but repeatedly. And in doing so, he failed not only the Jewish people and the Israeli state, but also the standards and values Canada claims to uphold.
— Alan Kessel is a senior fellow at the Macdonald Laurier Institute and a former legal adviser to the Government of Canada and deputy high commissioner of Canada to the United Kingdom.
KESSEL: Does Prime Minister Carney know what genocide means?
At a recent Liberal Party rally, Mark Carney responded to a heckler who accused Israel of perpetrating a genocide in Gaza.
Opinion: The moral and legal case for Israel's war against Hamas — National Post
Israel's war in Gaza is necessary, despite what its critics say
So Hamas has surrendered its weapons & released all the Holocaustages, and yet Israel is still doing this? If so, that would be really shitty on Israel’s part.
Stopping the food aid into Gaza is a shitty thing to do. Hamas attacking Israel was a shitty thing to do. The whole situation could be summed up like that, but here we are 18 months later, and Hamas is still an armed group in Gaza that’s still holding holocaustages, and Hamas could end this today, or seven weeks ago, or 18 months ago, if it chose to do so. It hasn’t.
Or choosing not to grasp it.
Again, Previous to March 2nd (& I do think it’s a shitty thing on Israel’s part to do this)…
Israel removing this income stream from Hamas is horrible, but 18 months in, just removing the income streams from Iran & UNRWA hasn’t ended with Hamas surrendering its weapons or releasing the surviving (& not so much alive) holocaustages at this point. This is squarely on the shoulders of Hamas and its supporters.
You dont use crimes against humanity and war crimes as weapons Ron. Give your fucking head a shake.
Opinion: The moral and legal case for Israel's war against Hamas — National Post
Israel's war in Gaza is necessary, despite what its critics sayapple.news
So Hamas has surrendered its weapons & released all the Holocaustages, and yet Israel is still doing this? If so, that would be really shitty on Israel’s part.
Stopping the food aid into Gaza is a shitty thing to do. Hamas attacking Israel was a shitty thing to do. The whole situation could be summed up like that, but here we are 18 months later, and Hamas is still an armed group in Gaza that’s still holding holocaustages, and Hamas could end this today, or seven weeks ago, or 18 months ago, if it chose to do so. It hasn’t.
(YouTube & Hamas Bankrupt, End of War Near?)
Or choosing not to grasp it.
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Again, Previous to March 2nd (& I do think it’s a shitty thing on Israel’s part to do this)…
Israel removing this income stream from Hamas is horrible, but 18 months in, just removing the income streams from Iran & UNRWA hasn’t ended with Hamas surrendering its weapons or releasing the surviving (& not so much alive) holocaustages at this point. This is squarely on the shoulders of Hamas and its supporters.
Have Zionist terrorist activities in West Bank ceased?
Perhaps you’re only reading what you wanna read above. I’m not justifying withholding food aid. I’m saying this is two sided, & Hamas could’ve stopped this long ago or today, but chooses not to.
Yeah buts…if Hamas ended its Gaza goat rodeo today, tomorrows focus could be the West Bank. As far as I know so far this morning, it hasn’t.
Removing an income stream? Why do you swallow the propaganda?
58 years of Zionist terrorism is why the are fighting Hamas. Did you think it was over religion?
58 years of Zionist terrorism is why the are fighting Hamas. Did you think it was over religion?
Well, why is this happening then? To what end? To win the hearts & minds of western media and global sentiment?