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Keffiyeh debate rages on at Queen's Park even as motion fails
The political debate over allowing this one, single political garment in the Ontario legislature rages on even as NDP motion is shot down.


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Apr 23, 2024 • 3 minute read

The Palestinian keffiyeh is a gender-neutral checkered black and white scarf that is usually worn around the neck or head.
The Palestinian keffiyeh is a gender-neutral checkered black and white scarf that is usually worn around the neck or head.
Things must be going well in Ontario right now because the biggest issue being debated is whether you can wear a keffiyeh in the legislature. Speaker Ted Arnott ruled last week that the keffiyeh, a checkered scarf, sometimes black and white and sometimes coloured, is a political symbol and therefore not allowed in the legislature.


NDP Leader Marit Stiles put forward a motion for the second time in a week asking that the legislature allow the keffiyeh to be worn.


“I seek unanimous consent that this house acknowledge that the keffiyeh is a culturally significant clothing item to many in Ontario’s Palestinian, Muslim and Arab communities, and should neither be considered an expression of a political message or an accessory likely to cause disorder and should therefore be permitted to be born in this house,” Stiles said as she read her motion just prior to Question Period.

About half a dozen MPPs from the PC side of the aisle called out no and that was the end of the debate. In a unanimous consent motion, any MPP, for any reason can say no and that ends the debate.


Stiles isn’t being truthful when she says that the keffiyeh isn’t a political symbol. It clearly is. She also knows that political symbols are banned from the legislature, something she acknowledged when speaking to reporters about her motion.

The people who have been organizing the protests that have taken over our streets for the last six months encourage people to wear their keffiyehs to the protest. Those at the protests, like one of the men on the loudspeaker in Ottawa this weekend, call the scarf a political statement.

“They banned the keffiyeh in the Parliament,” the man said as fellow protesters called out “shame.”

“They banned the keffiyeh, the symbol of resistance, the Palestinian symbol of resistance in the Parliament. They are afraid but they cannot ban in in the streets of our country.”


That’s a pretty blunt statement that the keffiyeh is in fact a political symbol. So, too, is how it is used in posters and artwork for the protest movement to support the Palestinian cause.

In fact, a group of protesters who interrupted and temporarily shut down the legislature during Question Period while waving keffiyehs and yelling “Free Palestine” also made the point that it was a political garment at this point.

Right now, for MPPs to wear a daffodil lapel pin support of the Canadian Cancer Society during their April campaign, special permission is needed, unanimous consent granted, because support for this cause is seen as political. Stiles, Premier Doug Ford and others who have supported allowing the keffiyeh into the legislature have accused others of being divisive but by pushing this, instead of following long standing rules, it’s they who have caused unnecessary division.



Ford emerged from a long PC Caucus meeting with his MPPs and cabinet ministers shortly after 3 p.m. saying he wouldn’t be punishing any of the MPPs who said no to allowing the keffiyeh.

“No, this is a very sensitive topic here and around the world,” Ford said, adding that on sensitive topics he believes in free votes.

Ford likely didn’t have many options on that front, his caucus is clearly divided on this issue. Those willing to speak about the meeting said it was tense, it was uncomfortable, and it wasn’t clear that the majority were on Ford’s side on this issue.

While only a handful said no to Stiles’ motion, there hasn’t been a rush of PC MPPs rushing to call for allowing the keffiyeh.

The premier has been facing pushback not only from backbench MPPs but also from within his own cabinet. Several cabinet ministers have let it be known they think the premier went too far on this issue.

That doesn’t mean this is the end of the matter, despite Ford seeming to want to move on. The NDP seems determined to bring this back to the legislature again and again, at least until the Milton by-election on May 2.

Global politics, in the Ontario legislature, driven by a local byelection.

Welcome to 2024.
 

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Hamas reiterated on Thursday its demand Israel end the Gaza war as part of any deal to release any hostages held there, with Sami Abu Zuhri, a senior official in the Palestinian militant group, telling Reuters that U.S. pressure on Hamas "has no value", etc…assuming they can find them, etc…
 

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Hamas reiterated on Thursday its demand Israel end the Gaza war as part of any deal to release any hostages held there, with Sami Abu Zuhri, a senior official in the Palestinian militant group, telling Reuters that U.S. pressure on Hamas "has no value", etc…assuming they can find them, etc…
So where is the guarantee that the hostages would be handed back. Not like Hamas has a reputation for honesty.
 

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Peruse some Israeli news outlets. The war isn't very popular there as it is here. They knew about that attack a month ahead and let it happen. The Defence minister resigned and the people want Netanyahu to step down.
 

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So where is the guarantee that the hostages would be handed back. Not like Hamas has a reputation for honesty.
Guarantee? Of the 130-ish, how many are alive? If they’re women, will Hamas want them returned so that they will talk??

“Some” Hamas officials are signaling that the militant group could give up armed struggle against Israel if the Palestinians get an independent state in territories captured by Israel in the 1967 war.
The messaging suggests a softening of Hamas’ position as its fate hangs in the balance with Israel’s pummeling of the Gaza Strip, which Hamas ruled before the war. The Palestinian militant group has long called for the Jewish state to be destroyed.
Basem Naim, an Istanbul-based member of Hamas’ political bureau, told CNN on Thursday that the group would agree to disarm if an independent Palestinian state was established.

“If an independent state with its capital in Jerusalem, while preserving the right of return for refugees, (is created) Al Qassam could be integrated into (a future) national army,” he said, referring to the group’s armed wing…which isn’t disarming…
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Hamas has traditionally rejected a two-state solution that would see a Palestinian state established alongside Israel and has instead advocated the creation of a Palestinian state in all of historic Palestine that today encompasses Israel, the occupied West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem and Gaza…from the river to the sea…etc…

 

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I can see creating an independent Palestine, but not with Iran backed terrorists having any power. Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state is a nonstarter. That is clearly Israeli territory. It seems a free and democratic Palestine, even with massive UN presence, would be unlikely to survive. Partly because the UN is not necessarily pro-democracy.
 

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Guarantee? Of the 130-ish, how many are alive? If they’re women, will Hamas want them returned so that they will talk??

“Some” Hamas officials are signaling that the militant group could give up armed struggle against Israel if the Palestinians get an independent state in territories captured by Israel in the 1967 war.
The messaging suggests a softening of Hamas’ position as its fate hangs in the balance with Israel’s pummeling of the Gaza Strip, which Hamas ruled before the war. The Palestinian militant group has long called for the Jewish state to be destroyed.
Basem Naim, an Istanbul-based member of Hamas’ political bureau, told CNN on Thursday that the group would agree to disarm if an independent Palestinian state was established.

“If an independent state with its capital in Jerusalem, while preserving the right of return for refugees, (is created) Al Qassam could be integrated into (a future) national army,” he said, referring to the group’s armed wing…which isn’t disarming…
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Hamas has traditionally rejected a two-state solution that would see a Palestinian state established alongside Israel and has instead advocated the creation of a Palestinian state in all of historic Palestine that today encompasses Israel, the occupied West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem and Gaza…from the river to the sea…etc…
Or if Isreal stopped doing this once and for all things would settle down immensely.

 

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I can see creating an independent Palestine, but not with Iran backed terrorists having any power. Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state is a nonstarter. That is clearly Israeli territory. It seems a free and democratic Palestine, even with massive UN presence, would be unlikely to survive. Partly because the UN is not necessarily pro-democracy.
See above.
 

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That is a problem. But, since the land doesn't really belong to another country, and except for Iran's support for various terrorist groups in the region, no country seems to want the land either. Or perhaps more correctly, they don't want the current inhabitants. Presumably the few people living there would get to become Israeli citizens, which has got to be better than being at the mercy of religious fanatics.
 

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That is a problem. But, since the land doesn't really belong to another country, and except for Iran's support for various terrorist groups in the region, no country seems to want the land either. Or perhaps more correctly, they don't want the current inhabitants. Presumably the few people living there would get to become Israeli citizens, which has got to be better than being at the mercy of religious fanatics.
Egypt is saying "Aw, HELL naw!"
 

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That is a problem. But, since the land doesn't really belong to another country, and except for Iran's support for various terrorist groups in the region, no country seems to want the land either. Or perhaps more correctly, they don't want the current inhabitants. Presumably the few people living there would get to become Israeli citizens, which has got to be better than being at the mercy of religious fanatics.
It doesn't belong to Israel. It's an international crime. You have a lot to learn.
 

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The US and 17 other countries issued an appeal for Hamas to release captives as a pathway to end the crisis in Gaza. The surviving ones that they can find anyway.

“We call for the immediate release of all hostages held by Hamas in Gaza now for over 200 days,” read the statement on Thursday by the leaders of Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Thailand and the United Kingdom.

It said that the “deal on the table to release the hostages would bring an immediate and prolonged ceasefire in Gaza, that would facilitate a surge of additional necessary humanitarian assistance to be delivered throughout Gaza, and lead to the credible end of hostilities”.

Hamas says “Nope, not unless….”
Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s (Hamas) political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

He told Al Jazeera Arabic in a televised interview on Thursday that Hamas will not accept a truce without a permanent ceasefire (like the one before October 7th) and a complete halt of Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip, which has killed more than 34,000 people – mainly women and children (according to the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry) – since the current conflict started October 7th when Hamas broke that cease-fire, etc…
 

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The US and 17 other countries issued an appeal for Hamas to release captives as a pathway to end the crisis in Gaza. The surviving ones that they can find anyway.

“We call for the immediate release of all hostages held by Hamas in Gaza now for over 200 days,” read the statement on Thursday by the leaders of Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Thailand and the United Kingdom.

It said that the “deal on the table to release the hostages would bring an immediate and prolonged ceasefire in Gaza, that would facilitate a surge of additional necessary humanitarian assistance to be delivered throughout Gaza, and lead to the credible end of hostilities”.

Hamas says “Nope, not unless….”
Khalil al-Hayya, a member of the group’s (Hamas) political bureau, said that Hamas “is serious about releasing Israeli captives within the framework of an agreement” that also ensures the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

He told Al Jazeera Arabic in a televised interview on Thursday that Hamas will not accept a truce without a permanent ceasefire (like the one before October 7th) and a complete halt of Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip, which has killed more than 34,000 people – mainly women and children (according to the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry) – since the current conflict started October 7th when Hamas broke that cease-fire, etc…
They'll get the hostages when Israeli settlements stop in the West Bank.