Hamas attacks Israel

Serryah

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If I missed the point, what was the point? I’m commenting here, Tec is commenting here. You’re commenting here.

Can you rephrase the question? Perhaps I’m answering the question as I understood it?

Maybe it was me misunderstanding.

TB asked: "why do you find the existence of both terrorists and people pleading for peace in Gaza comment-worthy?"

Your reply, while it mentions Hamas and what it did, didn't seem to answer the question of what you think the existence of terrorists and people pleading for peace in Gaza was comment-worthy.

To put it another way, when the original question was asked ("Do you hold every Palestinian responsible for the actions of Ham-ass?") you said nope.

When TB asked the second question, I took it more to mean - if no is the answer, then why does it seem you're doing the exact opposite. Regardless of Hamas or Palestinians, you seem to lump them all into one reactive issue, that is they're all guilty regardless.

Again, could have been me, it was a shitshow of a day and early.
 

Ron in Regina

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Maybe it was me misunderstanding.

TB asked: "why do you find the existence of both terrorists and people pleading for peace in Gaza comment-worthy?"
Ah…I see. I did misunderstand. I pointed out that everyone in this thread had commented on this subject, as it seemed like (to me at the time) he was asking me why I was commenting on the subject.
If Hamas didn’t do what it did Oct 7th, would we even be discussing this (?) or would we be finger pointing at Epstein and Trump and Trudeau and various other epitome of hypocrisy, etc…?

It’s a series of dominoes. It’ll play out, and we’ll comment on it. Both of us, and others.
The Thread Title is literally, “Hamas attacks Israel” & the OP#1 was on Oct 7th, 2023, posted by yourself.

That was the starting point of the Thread, in reaction to Hamas Attacking Israel, on October 7th.
Your reply, while it mentions Hamas and what it did, didn't seem to answer the question of what you think the existence of terrorists and people pleading for peace in Gaza was comment-worthy.
If it wasn’t comment worthy, the thread you started on Oct 7th titled “Hamas Attacks Israel” would have faded away after a couple of posts and it wouldn’t be 57 pages in, so far.

Should I have mentioned Israel attacking Hamas on Oct 7th? I guess they did in a reactive “repelling boarders” sort’a way on Oct 7th? I could’ve I suppose but I didn’t think that’s what was being asked.

Should I have responded to what’s happened since Oct 7th in Reaction to Oct 7th in the last three months, because I have in the last 57 pages here, but I didn’t think that’s what he was asking.

Anyway, I think you think that he thought (& maybe he was?) that I think all Palestinians (in Gaza) must pay for the actions of their government that many of them must support. Is that what you’re asking through his question? If so ironically his question was in response to a bombing in Syria, but anyway….

It’s an ugly tangled ball of faecal coated whatever, and unfortunately, once Hamas and several civilians attacked civilians in Israel on Oct 7th, filming themselves with cellphone cameras and GoPro’s, and then they abducted 250-ish people back into Gaza, after filming themselves, doing all kinds of crazy shit, and the filming Of the Gaza citizenry (I’m thinking specifically of the German tattoo artist naked in the back of the pick up truck) cheering on Hamas… How does an outside entity (like a nation, or a citizen of another nation) separate Hamas & its supporters from the other citizenry of Gaza going forward???
To put it another way, when the original question was asked ("Do you hold every Palestinian responsible for the actions of Ham-ass?") you said nope.
That’s exactly what I said in a single “Nope” in answer to that question, with some follow-up questions of my own, that weren’t answered, and you’re not questioning that? The unanswered questions I mean?
When TB asked the second question, I took it more to mean - if no is the answer, then why does it seem you're doing the exact opposite.
The opposite of What?

“Regardless of Hamas or Palestinians, you seem to lump them all into one reactive issue, that is they're all guilty regardless.”

Ahhhh…OK. That’s your question through his question that you didn’t think I answered. I’m smelling what you’re cooking now. I think, without realizing where you were going until now, I’ve just answered the question above.

If you can separate the Hamas & its supporters in Gaza from the Non-Hamas & the Non-Supporters in Gaza, in a way that’s clear to all outsiders & governments and nations that are going to be asked and expected to accept a million Gaza Citizens as refugees (some of them third or fourth or fifth generation refugees according to the UN, regardless, of where they live or have lived for generations), that would clear up a lot of confusion.

Can you separate them? The Hamas & Hamas Supporters from the non-Hamas & Non-Hamas Supporters? If you can, please do so, but if you can’t, why are you asking me (through somebody else’s question) why I’m also not doing so?
Regardless of Hamas or Palestinians, you seem to lump them all into one reactive issue, that is they're all guilty regardless.
Do you think I’m holding ALL Palestinians to account for the actions of Hamas? I know there’s 57 pages of it here, but I’ve stated repeatedly, “not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all Hamas are Palestinians!” Which are which though?

Hamas isn’t operating in a vacuum, Whether in Gaza or Qatar or elsewhere, hermetically sealed away from the non-Hamas Combat-Cadre without civilian support or supporters though.
Again, could have been me, it was a shitshow of a day and early.
Empathy on the shitshow (out here we call it a goat-rodeo) of a day. Mine started midday on the 1st & it really hasn’t stopped yet. Mucho Empathy!! It’s been a solid week of herding cats.
 

Ron in Regina

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In all honesty, here, I think I’ve been pretty consistent right from the get-go also.

After your first opening post, mine was number two in this thread, and my very first sentence in Post#2 was…
Who knows? Unless you swim in that tub, it all runs together from the outside looking in.

Wiki says this: On 7 October 2023, a significant escalation of the Gaza–Israel conflict began with a coordinated surprise offensive by multiple Palestinian militant groups against nearby Israeli cities, Gaza border crossings, adjacent military installations, and civilian settlements.

Described as a Third Intifada by some observers, it is the first direct conflict within widely recognized Israeli territory since the country's founding. Hostilities were initiated by a rocket barrage against Israel and vehicle-transported incursions into Israeli territory, with a number of attacks having been carried out on the Israeli military as well as Israeli civilian communities.

The assault has been led by the Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihadand PFLP. The Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas verbally supported the uprising, stating that Palestinians had the right to defend themselves against the Israeli occupation.

The United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, the European Union, and many individual member nations voiced condemnation of the attacks and said Israel had the right to self-defense.

At least 2,200 rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip as Hamas militants breached the Gaza–Israel barrier, killing at least 250 Israelis and prompting Israel's government to declare a state of emergency; Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Israel "is at war" in a national address following the beginning of the attacks.

Then, who the Hell is Hamas anyway? Tried a quick Google while it still functions for Canada (until Dec 19th) & one of the first things I found was this chart:
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…Which doesn’t say much, but it doesn’t look like they’re in good company, so back to Wiki (it’s quick & dirty to get started):
….& Hamas is the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip following the 2007 Battle of Gaza, so at least they have a geographical basis.
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The Gaza–Israel conflict is a part of the localized Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but is also a scene of power struggle between regional powers including Egypt, Iran and Turkeytogether with Qatar, supporting different sides of the conflict in light of the regional standoff between Iran and Saudi Arabia on one hand and between Qatar and Saudi Arabia on the other, as well as crisis in Egyptian-Turkish relations.

The conflict originated with the election of the Islamist political party Hamas in 2005 and 2006, in the Gaza Strip and escalated with the split of the….etc…
 

Ron in Regina

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Well....we are part of 10 other nations that pretty much declared war on Yumpin Yemenis Houthi Fruithis.

Israel is being mean.
Holy Shit! Do we have both of our canoes over there? That would be leaving our three boundary oceans to Canada dangerously unguarded…but it is Winter so we can only patrol two of them until Spring anyway. Did we just send the Arctic Canoe?
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Holy Crap! Even if we did send both canoes, we didn’t send enough staff to put two people in each craft. The Department of National Defence has confirmed Canada's participation in Operation Prosperity Guardian, a United States-led maritime operation to defend commercial ships in the Red Sea and Western Gulf of Aden.

Minister of National Defence Bill Blair said the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) will deploy three staff officers as early as next week under Operation Artemis – the CAF operation concerned with security in Middle East waters.

Under Operation Prosperity Guardian, the United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain are expected to deploy resources to the area to provide umbrella protection to as many trade vessels as possible at a given time.
So, two with paddles, & the third in the middle with the one Lee–Enfield No 4 rifle that we can spare?
 

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Artemis and Combined Task Force 153 has been ongoing for quite sometime. Prosperity Guardian is recent and evolving.

Currently there is only one Canadian Naval vessel in Esquimalt (Asterix) and a US navy contracted supply tender (North Star) the rest are tugs.

The Pacific fleet is somewhere.....


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By the way. . . I admit I haven't clicked on all the various links people have posted (never much liked swimming in the sewers), but has anybody mentioned yet that. according to the Navy, the Houthis fired on the Navy helos?
 

Ron in Regina

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By the way. . . I admit I haven't clicked on all the various links people have posted (never much liked swimming in the sewers), but has anybody mentioned yet that. according to the Navy, the Houthis fired on the Navy helos?
That is interesting, & just vague background to the narrative. Despite global concern over the death and destruction in Gaza and international pressure for a ceasefire, Israeli public opinion remains firmly behind the operation aimed at wiping out the Hamas group that rules Gaza, although there has been a big drop in support for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

He has not taken responsibility for the security failures that allowed Hamas to attack southern Israel on Oct. 7. But he has vowed to press on with the retaliatory action.

"The war must not be stopped until we achieve all the goals - the elimination of Hamas, the return of all our hostages and ensuring that Gaza will no longer pose a threat to Israel. I say this to both our enemies and our friends," Netanyahu said at the start of a weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday.

It’s weird, and here we are, but currently it seems that world focus or at least the media’s focus though news stories predominantly is focused on Israel ceasing “hostilities” but not of Hamas for breaking the ceasefire and starting the “hostilities” or continuing to hold hostages since Oct 7th. Is it just me?

Top U.S and European diplomats sought ways on Sunday to keep the Gaza war from spreading in the Middle East, but three months after the conflict erupted, more bloodshed underlined the challenge and Israel was set on pressing its campaign, but no mention of Hamas continuing its campaign. Interesting in a weirdly omitting way.

A new legal battle will be waged later this week in the World Court to impose a ceasefire more than three months after Hamas' attack on southern Israel killed innocent civilians, triggering a brutal war in Gaza where Israel vowed to eradicate Hamas militants.

South Africa is accusing Israel of violating its obligations under the Genocide Convention and is seeking an urgent order from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to immediately halt what it characterizes as "genocidal acts against the Palestinian people in Gaza."

BUT nothing about the ceasefire that existed before Oct 7th, or the actions that broke that ceasefire on Oct 7th, or about Hamas’s roll in the continuing war (call it the continuing non-ceasefire to fit the stories narrative) for the last three months? Is South Africa & the World Court also demanding anything from Hamas?

In its lawsuit, South Africa is seeking a provisional order from the ICJ for the State of Israel to "immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza."
 

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Holy Crap! Even if we did send both canoes, we didn’t send enough staff to put two people in each craft. The Department of National Defence has confirmed Canada's participation in Operation Prosperity Guardian, a United States-led maritime operation to defend commercial ships in the Red Sea and Western Gulf of Aden.

Minister of National Defence Bill Blair said the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) will deploy three staff officers as early as next week under Operation Artemis – the CAF operation concerned with security in Middle East waters.

Under Operation Prosperity Guardian, the United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain are expected to deploy resources to the area to provide umbrella protection to as many trade vessels as possible at a given time.
So, two with paddles, & the third in the middle with the one Lee–Enfield No 4 rifle that we can spare?
Maybe they plan on towing the second canoe in case the first one breaks down?