Hamas attacks Israel

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The Palestinian official, who is close to Hamas, had told Reuters that the proposal would see the release of 10 hostages and a 70-day ceasefire and was received by Hamas through mediators.

"The proposal includes the release of 10 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas in two groups in return for a 70-day ceasefire and a partial withdrawal from the Gaza Strip," the source said.

It also included the release of a number of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds serving lengthy prison terms.

An Israeli official dismissed the proposal, saying no responsible government could accept such an agreement and rejecting the assertion that the deal matched one proposed by Witkoff.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later said in a recorded message on social media he "hoped very much" he would be able to deliver developments on the subject of Israel's fight against Hamas and releasing the hostages, "today and if not today then we will tomorrow".
The proposal also sees the release of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds of those serving lengthy prison terms. The framework agreed upon by Hamas appeared to be “distinct” (?) from Witkoff’s proposal that Israel had previously approved???
Witkoff told CNN that this was not what he offered. "What I have seen is completely unacceptable" from Hamas, he said. The offer on the table is for half the living and half the bodies of hostages to be released for a temporary ceasefire, without stating how long this will last. "Israel will agree to a temporary ceasefire/hostage deal that would see half of the living and half of the deceased return and lead to substantive negotiations to find a path to a permanent ceasefire, which I have agreed to preside over," Witkoff said. "That deal is on the table. Hamas should take it."
The alleged U.S. proposal Hamas identified Monday differs from Witkoff's latest proposal in the number of live and dead hostages that would be released during the ceasefire and the timing and sequence of their release.
Hamas has agreed to an American proposal for a Gaza ceasefire, a Palestinian official close to the group told Reuters today.

The proposal by US special envoy Steve Witkoff would reportedly see the release of ten living hostages, 70 days of truce and a partial Israeliwithdrawal from the strip.

It would also see the release of a number of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds of those serving lengthy prison terms.
Believe whatever you want. It’s just an ongoing mess.
 

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The Palestinian official, who is close to Hamas, had told Reuters that the proposal would see the release of 10 hostages and a 70-day ceasefire and was received by Hamas through mediators.

"The proposal includes the release of 10 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas in two groups in return for a 70-day ceasefire and a partial withdrawal from the Gaza Strip," the source said.

It also included the release of a number of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds serving lengthy prison terms.

An Israeli official dismissed the proposal, saying no responsible government could accept such an agreement and rejecting the assertion that the deal matched one proposed by Witkoff.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later said in a recorded message on social media he "hoped very much" he would be able to deliver developments on the subject of Israel's fight against Hamas and releasing the hostages, "today and if not today then we will tomorrow".
The proposal also sees the release of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds of those serving lengthy prison terms. The framework agreed upon by Hamas appeared to be “distinct” (?) from Witkoff’s proposal that Israel had previously approved???
Witkoff told CNN that this was not what he offered. "What I have seen is completely unacceptable" from Hamas, he said. The offer on the table is for half the living and half the bodies of hostages to be released for a temporary ceasefire, without stating how long this will last. "Israel will agree to a temporary ceasefire/hostage deal that would see half of the living and half of the deceased return and lead to substantive negotiations to find a path to a permanent ceasefire, which I have agreed to preside over," Witkoff said. "That deal is on the table. Hamas should take it."
The alleged U.S. proposal Hamas identified Monday differs from Witkoff's latest proposal in the number of live and dead hostages that would be released during the ceasefire and the timing and sequence of their release.
Hamas has agreed to an American proposal for a Gaza ceasefire, a Palestinian official close to the group told Reuters today.

The proposal by US special envoy Steve Witkoff would reportedly see the release of ten living hostages, 70 days of truce and a partial Israeliwithdrawal from the strip.

It would also see the release of a number of Palestinian prisoners by Israel, including hundreds of those serving lengthy prison terms.
Believe whatever you want. It’s just an ongoing mess.
They need to just go in & bomb the hell out of the place! What Hamas has "offered" and what they're doing is just sick so lets just get rid of them period!! They want their kids to die anyway (suicide bombers) so lets just help them along! Gesh!!
 

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They need to just go in & bomb the hell out of the place! What Hamas has "offered" and what they're doing is just sick so lets just get rid of them period!! They want their kids to die anyway (suicide bombers) so lets just help them along! Gesh!!
It’s an ongoing propaganda war. Hearts & minds & convincing the most people, etc…
 

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Gaza Has Become ‘Humanitarian Hellscape’

Khaled Khiari, Assistant Secretary-General for Political and Peacebuilding Affairs, pointed out that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has led to the world’s longest refugee crisis — more than 5 million registered Palestine refugees are spread across Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. “It is a crisis that remains unresolved, shaping identity, lives and the enduring pursuit of justice and self-determination for the Palestinian people,” he said.

Since the horrific terror attacks by Hamas on 7 October 2023 and continued holding of hostages, over 1.9 million Palestinians — more than 85 per cent of Gaza’s population and almost 80 per cent of them Palestine refugees from 1948 — have been forcibly displaced, many repeatedly, some 10 times or more. In parallel, since early 2025, over 40,000 Palestinians have been displaced in the occupied West Bank due to Israeli military operations, most of them from Palestinian refugee camps in northern West Bank, he added.

Gaza has become a “humanitarian hellscape”, he said, calling for unrestricted humanitarian access and the lifting of the blockade on Gaza. Steps must also be taken to reverse settlement-expansion and unilateral steps that undermine the Palestinian Authority. As the promise of a two-State dwindles to the point of disappearance, he said, the upcoming Assembly-mandated International Conference in June offers an important opportunity to support a viable two-State solution. “Let us build political momentum towards that end,” he stressed.
 

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423rd Meeting of the UN Palestinian Rights Committee

“Palestinians are racialized as a security threat, because they — we — refuse to disappear,” the Palestinian Rights Committee heard today from a scholar who spoke at a special event remembering the seventy-seventh anniversary of the Nakba.

The meeting was hosted by the United Nations Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People. “Nakba” — an Arabic word that means “catastrophe” — refers to the displacement and dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948. Today’s meeting was mandated by General Assembly resolution 77/23 (2022), which requested the UN Secretariat to annually commemorate that historic event.

Much of the discussion drew a parallel between that tragedy and the ongoing violence and displacement, especially in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian-American scholar Noura Erekat, Professor of International Studies at Rutgers University in New Jersey, dismissed Israel’s talking point that it is only targeting Hamas. The Israeli army has used quadcopters to shoot injured children sprawled on the floor, executed Palestinian patients with their hands zip-tied, sexually assaulted detainees captured without charge or trial, bombed safe routes where Palestinians were ordered to flee, tortured medical doctors to death, and destroyed universities, factories, libraries, bakeries and places of worship, she said.

She also recalled Israeli Agricultural Minister Avi Dichter’s November 2023 statement that “this is Nakba 2023”, as well as the current bid of the Administration of United States President Donald . Trump to build a Gaza riviera and remove Palestinians to Sudan, Somalia or Syria. Clearly, she underscored, Palestinian civilians are the target and Hamas combatants are the “collateral damage”.

“If you normalize genocide, you will have nothing left,” she warned delegates. Pointing to the International Court of Justice’s determination of plausible genocide, its advisory opinion on the Israeli occupation, as well as the International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, she stressed: “This is not a legal controversy; it is a political one.”
 

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Say what? What are you talking about - I do not condone terrorism. It must be stamped out!!
Then supporting Israel is a no go. After 112 years of Jewish Supremacy and Zionist terrorism (look these up) it is bizarre how people still think it's a one side deal.
 

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(YouTube & “You CAN’T TRUST The UN Anymore” | Hamas Propaganda Being ‘Pumped Out’ By Journalists And Officials)
Propaganda formed your current opinion that condones terrorism.
Propaganda comes from all sides involved.
The document, which says the plan is guaranteed by U.S. President Donald Trump and mediators Egypt and Qatar, includes sending humanitarian aid to Gaza as soon as Hamas signs off on the ceasefire agreement.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said it had received the Israeli response to the proposal, which it said “fails to meet any of the just and legitimate demands of our people” (=Hamas & not Palestinian civilians?) including an immediate cessation of hostilities and an end to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, etc…

Deep differences between Hamas and Israel have stymied previous attempts to restore a ceasefire that broke down in March.

Israel has insisted that Hamas disarm completely, be dismantled as a military and governing force and return all 58 hostages (as many as 20 might even be alive) still held in Gaza before it will agree to end the war.

Hamas has rejected the demand to give up its weapons and says Israel must pull its troops out of Gaza and commit to ending the war…& round & round & round it goes…
Neither side has officially publicized the proposal’s details, but Israeli officials said Thursday that the offer includes the release of 10 “living” hostages from Gaza and the bodies of 18 “less living” more, in return for a 60-day ceasefire.
 

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(YouTube & “You CAN’T TRUST The UN Anymore” | Hamas Propaganda Being ‘Pumped Out’ By Journalists And Officials)

Propaganda comes from all sides involved.
The document, which says the plan is guaranteed by U.S. President Donald Trump and mediators Egypt and Qatar, includes sending humanitarian aid to Gaza as soon as Hamas signs off on the ceasefire agreement.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said it had received the Israeli response to the proposal, which it said “fails to meet any of the just and legitimate demands of our people” (=Hamas & not Palestinian civilians?) including an immediate cessation of hostilities and an end to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, etc…

Deep differences between Hamas and Israel have stymied previous attempts to restore a ceasefire that broke down in March.

Israel has insisted that Hamas disarm completely, be dismantled as a military and governing force and return all 58 hostages (as many as 20 might even be alive) still held in Gaza before it will agree to end the war.

Hamas has rejected the demand to give up its weapons and says Israel must pull its troops out of Gaza and commit to ending the war…& round & round & round it goes…
Neither side has officially publicized the proposal’s details, but Israeli officials said Thursday that the offer includes the release of 10 “living” hostages from Gaza and the bodies of 18 “less living” more, in return for a 60-day ceasefire.
Israel says I can't trust the UN?


Sanctioned Israeli state backed terrorists.

The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel


Propaganda your way out of that.
 
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It’s an ongoing propaganda war. Hearts & minds & convincing the most people, etc…
Propaganda formed your current opinion that condones terrorism.
Propaganda comes from all sides involved.
Propaganda your way out of that.
Propaganda comes from all sides involved.
The alleged U.S. proposal Hamas identified Monday differs from Witkoff's latest proposal in the number of live and dead hostages that would be released during the ceasefire and the timing and sequence of their release.
Hamas responded to U.S.-backed ceasefire proposals on Saturday, saying it had agreed to release 28 living and dead hostages but restating its demand for an end to the war and a withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza.
Israel has insisted that Hamas disarm completely, be dismantled as a military and governing force and return all 58 hostages (as many as 20 might even be alive) still held in Gaza before it will agree to end the war.
The Palestinian militant group said it would release 10 living hostages and hand over the bodies of 18 dead in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and detainees held in Israeli prisons.
…& round & round & round it goes…
So…that brings us to today…again. A Hamas official described the group's response to the proposals from U.S. President Donald Trump's special Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff as "positive" but said it was seeking some amendments. The official did not elaborate on the changes being sought by the group.

"This response aims to achieve a permanent ceasefire, a complete withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, and to ensure the flow of humanitarian aid to our people in the Strip," Hamas said in a statement.

So Hamas agrees with itself not to surrender, or surrender its weapons, or to release all the Israeli holocaustages (living and not so much) abducted from Israel on October 7th, 2023…in exchange for a permanent ceasefire (like what existed October 6th, 2023) and the complete withdrawal of IDF forces from Gaza while Hamas still holds holocaustages and rearms itself for the next go round, etc…

Israel has previously rejected Hamas' conditions, instead demanding the complete disarmament of the group and its dismantling as a military and governing force, along with the return of all 58 remaining hostages holocaustages.
 

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Propaganda comes from all sides involved.

Hamas responded to U.S.-backed ceasefire proposals on Saturday, saying it had agreed to release 28 living and dead hostages but restating its demand for an end to the war and a withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza.

The Palestinian militant group said it would release 10 living hostages and hand over the bodies of 18 dead in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and detainees held in Israeli prisons.

So…that brings us to today…again. A Hamas official described the group's response to the proposals from U.S. President Donald Trump's special Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff as "positive" but said it was seeking some amendments. The official did not elaborate on the changes being sought by the group.

"This response aims to achieve a permanent ceasefire, a complete withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, and to ensure the flow of humanitarian aid to our people in the Strip," Hamas said in a statement.

So Hamas agrees with itself not to surrender, or surrender its weapons, or to release all the Israeli holocaustages (living and not so much) abducted from Israel on October 7th, 2023…in exchange for a permanent ceasefire (like what existed October 6th, 2023) and the complete withdrawal of IDF forces from Gaza while Hamas still holds holocaustages and rearms itself for the next go round, etc…

Israel has previously rejected Hamas' conditions, instead demanding the complete disarmament of the group and its dismantling as a military and governing force, along with the return of all 58 remaining hostages holocaustages.
Why isn't Netanyahu negotiating for holocaustages?
 

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Why isn't Netanyahu negotiating for holocaustages?
Like…all of the holocaustages…& not just piecemeal bullshit like what’s been occasionally offered up by Hamas over the last 18 months or so? Like that?
Israel has previously rejected Hamas' conditions, instead demanding the complete disarmament of the group and its dismantling as a military and governing force, along with the return of all 58 remaining hostages holocaustages.
Something like that? Or this?
Israel has insisted that Hamas disarm completely, be dismantled as a military and governing force and return all 58 hostages (as many as 20 might even be alive) still held in Gaza before it will agree to end the war.
Why isn’t Netanyahu insisting that this war doesn’t end unless all the holocaustages are returned as part of the conditions so this doesn’t drag out for another 18 months?
Why isn't Netanyahu negotiating for holocaustages?
Good question. Why isn’t he negotiating for the return of the holocaustages? All of the holocaustages, because what has been going on for the last year & a half sure as shit isn’t working, and the surrender & disarmament of Hamas so that more holocaustages aren’t abducted by Hamas again at a later date? He really should make those firm demands. I concur with you assessment of the situation regarding Netanyahu’s demands of Hamas to end this goat rodeo.
 

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When Hilltop Youth terrorists disarm, maybe Hamas will disarm?
When Hamas actually gives a shit about the non/Hamas Palestinians enough to release all the remaining hostages holocaustages, that’ll be the first step towards a cease-fire in Gaza, unlike the last 18 months of footsie. Oh well, don’t hold your breath, because Hamas clearly knows what it will take for Israel to voluntarily end their war against Hamas.
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Israel has previously rejected Hamas' conditions, instead demanding the complete disarmament of the group and its dismantling as a military and governing force, along with the return of all 58 remaining hostages holocaustages.