Hamas attacks Israel

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
58,117
8,356
113
Washington DC
(Weird question, because there’s so many examples of differences in spelling of the English language between American and Canadian/Brittish…is civilised an Americanization of civilized in Canadian/Brittish English?)
Civilised is BritEnglish. In the U.S. it's "civilized."

I read a lot of British/Canadian literature and periodicals. My written English is a hodgepodge of them all.
Anyway, for Israel to exist in that neighbourhood (or neighborhood), if it had to based upon 1967 borders (the first 1/2 of 1967, not the second half of 1967), is that even militarily possible with the current state of modern weaponry??
Damned if I can figure it. Listen, we got our asses kicked by a bunch of illiterate peasants in Vietnam. Only thing I can figure is you can't beat a country, only a government. Problem with Hamas is they're half government, half random asshole group. It's not a very pleasant solution, but all I can think of is "kill as many as you can, and be horrible enough to cause the people to say to Ham-ass "Fuck off, we aren't going to die for you."

Maybe someday somebody smarter'n me will come up with a way to isolate those fuckwits and wipe 'em off the face of the Earth. Until then, all I can think of is "Throw the bastards out. We'll respect your religion, and provide you with health care and food."

Nice thing about peasants is they seriously value that stuff.
 

Serryah

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 3, 2008
10,053
2,425
113
New Brunswick
Civilised is BritEnglish. In the U.S. it's "civilized."

I read a lot of British/Canadian literature and periodicals. My written English is a hodgepodge of them all.

Damned if I can figure it. Listen, we got our asses kicked by a bunch of illiterate peasants in Vietnam. Only thing I can figure is you can't beat a country, only a government. Problem with Hamas is they're half government, half random asshole group. It's not a very pleasant solution, but all I can think of is "kill as many as you can, and be horrible enough to cause the people to say to Ham-ass "Fuck off, we aren't going to die for you."

Maybe someday somebody smarter'n me will come up with a way to isolate those fuckwits and wipe 'em off the face of the Earth. Until then, all I can think of is "Throw the bastards out. We'll respect your religion, and provide you with health care and food."

Nice thing about peasants is they seriously value that stuff.

There are I think a lot of people in Gaza who likely do feel like Hamas needs to GTFO. The problem is, they're too focused on trying to survive to do anything about them.

And the more of the people there are killed, the more it will drive those anti-Hamas people INTO Hamas.

No one seems to get that though.
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
58,117
8,356
113
Washington DC
There are I think a lot of people in Gaza who likely do feel like Hamas needs to GTFO. The problem is, they're too focused on trying to survive to do anything about them.

And the more of the people there are killed, the more it will drive those anti-Hamas people INTO Hamas.

No one seems to get that though.
I do. The carrot/stick game is delicate. I actually have some sympathy for Netan-yahoo. We'll never know if he appreciates the subtleties, because he's got a pissed-off and terrified electorate to placate.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Taxslave2

Serryah

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 3, 2008
10,053
2,425
113
New Brunswick
I do. The carrot/stick game is delicate. I actually have some sympathy for Netan-yahoo. We'll never know if he appreciates the subtleties, because he's got a pissed-off and terrified electorate to placate.

I could feel sympathy for him if that were just it.

But those pesky corruption charges...
 

Taxslave2

House Member
Aug 13, 2022
3,732
2,220
113
There are I think a lot of people in Gaza who likely do feel like Hamas needs to GTFO. The problem is, they're too focused on trying to survive to do anything about them.

And the more of the people there are killed, the more it will drive those anti-Hamas people INTO Hamas.

No one seems to get that though.
Or it will give them the drive to get Hamas out. Difficult to say which way it might swing. Still have the base problem of a religion that declares open war on Israel. And for that matter, anyone that isn't the right type of Muslim.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ron in Regina

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
Hamas called on all components of Palestinian society to mobilize in order to confront the Palestinian Authority’s (PA) “unprecedented” level of “aggression” against it and other terror groups in the West Bank, the terror group confirmed in a Friday press release.

In the statement, Hamas accused PA security forces of brutally coercing the Palestinian public into supporting its recent crackdown on West Bank terror groups.

Hamas regularly faces accusations regarding its own abuse against Palestinians. A September New York Times article highlighted Palestinian activists and whistleblowers in Gaza who complained of the brutal treatment they faced for speaking out against the terror group. In November, the IDF also released a 45-minute video exposing Hamas beating and torturing Palestinians.

No idea. The statement comes amid an ongoing PA counter-terror campaign in the West Bank, particularly in Jenin, which has seen a number of clashes between PA security forces and local insurgents.
Hamas claimed the PA had engaged in “beating and humiliating citizens, pursuing women and young people, and forcing them under threat to give statements or write posts” in support of the Authority’s effort.

The terror organization urged Palestinians to oppose the PA’s counter-terror actions, stating that such opposition was necessary to prevent Palestinian society from splintering.

The latest escalation in tensions between Hamas and the Fatah-headed Palestinian Authority came only months after Fatah and Hamas agreed to form a unity government as part of the Bejing Declaration.

The agreement between Fatah and Hamas was condemned by then-Foreign Minister Israel Katz who claimed, “Instead of rejecting terrorism, [PA President] Mahmoud Abbas embraces the murderers and rapists of Hamas, revealing his true face. In reality, this won’t happen because Hamas’s rule will be crushed, and Abbas will be watching Gaza from afar. Israel’s security will remain solely in Israel’s hands.”

This is not the first time Fatah's attempts to jointly rule with Hamas have failed as Hamas expelled Fatah following a failed coalition government in 2007.
Wow. Just wow.

Reality looks like this Ron. Shin Bet propaganda.

Why would Hamas encourage the PA to do what the PA has been doing all along? Israeli propanganda to carry on with the slaughter in Gaza.

Are you aware Canada has labeled and sanctioned settler groups as terrorists? I wouldnt put money on it that you do know because your arent supposed to. Thats how propaganda works.


The Palestinian Authority’s Foreign Ministry describes an extremist settler attack on Palestinians in a West Bank village as “organized state terrorism.”

The PA health ministry says one person died of gunshots fired by settlers and another was seriously wounded during the unrest — which Israeli leaders condemned — on Thursday night in Jit, in the northern West Bank.

Israeli security sources said it was unclear who had shot the Palestinians.

Times of Israel staff contributed to this report.


Pre-Oct 7 Holocaustages event PA was dealing with a spate of Jew Klux Klan terrorism as follows.

Palestinian fears grow amid rising Israeli settler attacks​

Ammar Abu Alia walks through the burnt remains of his home in al-Qabun

Image caption,Farmer Ammar Abu Alia is one of many Palestinians forced to abandon his homeArticle information
  • Author,Yolande Knell
  • Role,BBC News, Ramallah
  • 28 August 2023
There's been a dramatic rise in violence carried out by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank this year, with more than 100 incidents reported a month according to the UN. It warns that some 400 people have been driven from their land since the start of 2022.
Smashed cars and homes and shops set ablaze. Recent months have seen some of the worst ever scenes of settler violence in the occupied West Bank.



How extremist settlers in the West Bank became the law
Mobilisation of violent settlers has intensified Palestinians’ fears of attacks and displacement

Alison Killing, Chris Campbell and Peter Andringa in London and James Shotter in JerusalemUpdatedOctober 26 2024
Share on X. Opens in a new window.
Share on Facebook. Opens in a new window.
Share on LinkedIn. Opens in a new window.
Share on WhatsApp. Opens in a new window.
The heightened violence experienced by the villagers of At-Tuwani is part of a broader shift in the dynamics of the West Bank that has taken place in the aftermath of Hamas’s devastating October 7 assault on Israel.

Last year’s attack — in which militants killed 1,200 people and took a further 250 hostage — was one of the darkest days in the country’s history. In response, Israel launched a ferocious offensive in Gaza that has killed more than 42,000 people, according to Palestinian officials, and fuelled a humanitarian catastrophe. The ripples of the conflict have also been felt in the occupied West Bank, where Israel has ramped up military activities. There have been sweeping movement restrictions on Palestinians, blocking access to cities, towns and villages, repeated raids in cities such as Jenin and Nablus and increased security around Jewish settlements.

The roughly 500,000 people living in these West Bank settlements — which most countries regard as illegal — are a heterogenous group. Some live there for ideological or religious reasons; others have moved due to considerations such as the cost of living. While only a relatively small number are involved in attacks on Palestinians, activists say over the past year those who are have been emboldened.

The FT has spoken to more than 20 villagers and Palestinian, Israeli and international activists about the violence locals face from both settlers and the Israeli state, and reviewed hours of footage of incidents. While much of it is of a low-level, slow-burning kind, experts say that combined, it adds up to a systematic campaign to drive Palestinian villagers off their land.

With much of Israel’s regular army now deployed to Gaza or the border with Lebanon, thousands of settlers have been called up to fill the military’s gaps in the West Bank. As a result, they have been granted new powers, including the ability to arrest people and declare closed military zones.

“What changed for us is that after October 7, there was an excuse for [settlers] to form a military force,” says Mohammad Rabaei, At-Tuwani’s mayor.


Israel State sanctioned terrorism. Facts are fact.

Palestine has a right to defrend its self.


From the Euphrates to the sea Conoco Resources shall be free!
 
Last edited:

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
Or it will give them the drive to get Hamas out. Difficult to say which way it might swing. Still have the base problem of a religion that declares open war on Israel. And for that matter, anyone that isn't the right type of Muslim.
The Israeli terrorist are the problem. Do you support the Israeli terrorists? Yes or no?
 
Last edited:

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
There are I think a lot of people in Gaza who likely do feel like Hamas needs to GTFO. The problem is, they're too focused on trying to survive to do anything about them.

And the more of the people there are killed, the more it will drive those anti-Hamas people INTO Hamas.

No one seems to get that though.

The Oslo Accords and the Arab-Israeli Peace Process​

On September 13, 1993, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Negotiator Mahmoud Abbas signed a Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, commonly referred to as the “Oslo Accord,” at the White House. Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period. Then, permanent status talks on the issues of borders, refugees, and Jerusalem would be held. While President Bill Clinton’s administration played a limited role in bringing the Oslo Accord into being, it would invest vast amounts of time and resources in order to help Israel and the Palestinians implement the agreement. By the time Clinton left office, however, the peace process had run aground, and a new round of Israeli-Palestinian violence had begun.

And then along came Netanyahu after the JKK kill Rabin.

We had a shot at peace but Bibi being Bibi.
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
26,288
9,633
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
And then along came Netanyahu after the JKK kill Rabin.

We had a shot at peace but Bibi being Bibi.
A large portion of the Palestinian population, including various Palestinian militant groups, staunchly opposed the Oslo Accords; Palestinian-American philosopher Edward Said described them as a "Palestinian Versailles".

The peace process was strained by the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre as well as by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad suicide bombings and attacks. Far-right Israelis also opposed the Oslo Accords, and Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by a right-wing Israeli extremist for signing them.

Despite the successes of the Oslo process, failures on both sides to fulfill commitments, internal political opposition, lack of progress in negotiating final status issues, and outbreaks of violence undermined the trust-building element of Oslo that was intended to make possible a final peace agreement.

There’s been a few more attempts at a peace agreement since then too.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
A large portion of the Palestinian population, including various Palestinian militant groups, staunchly opposed the Oslo Accords; Palestinian-American philosopher Edward Said described them as a "Palestinian Versailles".

The peace process was strained by the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre as well as by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad suicide bombings and attacks. Far-right Israelis also opposed the Oslo Accords, and Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by a right-wing Israeli extremist for signing them.

Despite the successes of the Oslo process, failures on both sides to fulfill commitments, internal political opposition, lack of progress in negotiating final status issues, and outbreaks of violence undermined the trust-building element of Oslo that was intended to make possible a final peace agreement.

There’s been a few more attempts at a peace agreement since then too.
All you gotta do is fund Hamas and use it as an excuse for Revisionist Zionists to creep towards the Euphrates. Their mandate on that is over a 100 years in the making. Its not a hidden agenda.

In August 2018, Israel's government approved the agreement. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has defended allowing transfer of millions of dollars to Hamas-run Gaza despite criticism from within his own government, including the education minister Naftali Bennet.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has defended allowing transfer of millions of dollars to Hamas-run Gaza despite criticism from within his own government, including the education minister Naftali Bennet.[7] After the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, Netanyahu went on record denying the claims that he facilitated financing of Hamas in order to create a 'divide and conquer' situation. He also said that he transferred funds to avoid "humanitarian collapse" in Gaza.[8] Israeli intelligence officials believe that the money had a role in the success of 2023 Hamas-led attack.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Is...

Israeli support for Hamas - Wikipedia


How much went for cement and rebar?
 

Attachments

  • 1735584539088.png
    1735584539088.png
    215 bytes · Views: 0

Serryah

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 3, 2008
10,053
2,425
113
New Brunswick
Or it will give them the drive to get Hamas out. Difficult to say which way it might swing.

Already explained why that won't happen. But didn't expect you to 'get it'.

Still have the base problem of a religion that declares open war on Israel.

Yes, Islam and Christianity are horrible religions.

And for that matter, anyone that isn't the right type of Muslim.

Or the "right" type of Christian.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
Already explained why that won't happen. But didn't expect you to 'get it'.



Yes, Islam and Christianity are horrible religions.



Or the "right" type of Christian.
Or right kind of "self identified" Jew such as Nutlessyahud himself who is an atheist.

I wish I was smart enough to be an atheist but alas, I dont know all the secrets of the Universe.
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
58,117
8,356
113
Washington DC
Or right kind of "self identified" Jew such as Nutlessyahud himself who is an atheist.

I wish I was smart enough to be an atheist but alas, I dont know all the secrets of the Universe.
And yet you claim to "know" of the existence and involvement of a Great Big Sky Daddy with not a shred of hard evidence.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
113,413
12,840
113
Low Earth Orbit
And yet you claim to "know" of the existence and involvement of a Great Big Sky Daddy with not a shred of hard evidence.
Do I? Whats a sky daddy? Humans were full of shit thousands of years ago claiming "we're all connected in a way that transcends time and space"?

Are you trying to tell me quantum entanglement is bullshit and the fizzix behind it is bullshit? A particle 13 billion lightyears away cant and never will instantaniously impact a particle in my left nut?

Whose you're daddy?