Half a million refugees gather in Libya to sail to Europe

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I'm proud of my country's leading role in this affair. It shows not only that Britain is the most compassionate and tolerant nation on Earth but we are the leading power in Europe and a global great power, sending warships to the Mediterranean to pick up thousands of migrants whilst the rest of Europe show the world yet again what just what have-beens they now are on the world stage. What have the French sent there? It looks like thev've not even managed to send a lilo.
 

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I'm proud of my country's leading role in this affair. It shows not only that Britain is the most compassionate and tolerant nation on Earth but we are the leading power in Europe and a global great power, sending warships to the Mediterranean to pick up thousands of migrants whilst the rest of Europe show the world yet again what just what have-beens they now are on the world stage. What have the French sent there? It looks like thev've not even managed to send a lilo.

Glad you are willing to take in a couple million more muslims. The rest of Europe has already learned its lesson.
 

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Glad you are willing to take in a couple million more muslims. The rest of Europe has already learned its lesson.


A couple of million is exaggerating things slightly. How many has the Bulwark picked up today? 1,000?

It also shows the British are not like the Canadians who would, of course, have just blown these people out of the water rather than picking them up.
 

Ron in Regina

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A couple of million is exaggerating things slightly. How many has the Bulwark picked up today? 1,000?

It also shows the British are not like the Canadians who would, of course, have just blown these people out of the water rather than picking them up.

Blown them out'a the water? If they can make it to Canadian shores
from Libia in the craft they're using, we'd be recruiting them into our
navy.
 

Blackleaf

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Blown them out'a the water? If they can make it to Canadian shores
from Libia in the craft they're using, we'd be recruiting them into our
navy.


I doubt they can reach British shores either in those craft. That's why we've had to rescue them just 27 miles off the coast of Libya.
 

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i think we do our part here...we pull in all kinds of refugees, we go into their countries and rescue them, bring them back, teach them our culture and our language and they thrive but...wow, that's a lot of people
Like the welcoming the Mexican children are getting? The ones we let in are already millionaires for the most part.
 

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i think we do our part here...we pull in all kinds of refugees, we go into their countries and rescue them, bring them back, teach them our culture and our language and they thrive but...wow, that's a lot of people


Believe me Sal... they have not scratched Canada. Canada is doing pretty darn good holding their borders and they will do well to continue.


Europe and the US is awash.

The rules are very different for immigrants and refugees though. Immigrants
CAN'T be on the public dole, & CAN'T get into legal trouble or they're booted
out (and in theory) CAN'T come back....& this is in effect until they become
citizens.


Which is why Canada is doing so well.


Loosen your sensible immigration laws and you'll be swamped.
 

Sal

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nah we can't do it...we take in about 10,000 a year and cover health care, living expenses and retraining and support with language and interpreters etc.

Like the welcoming the Mexican children are getting? The ones we let in are already millionaires for the most part.
seriously, you need to get out more and into your community to see exactly what we as Canadians support

I get that we aren't perfect, I get that we fall short in a plethora of ways, but really, talk to some immigrants, talk to some refugees and you would be proud of what we do

you might be born here and they may just have landed but the circumstances they have come from make them say Canada is home within a month and they say it with gratitude and from the heart, that is more than I can say for many born here who have nothing but negative to say...negative begets negative...karma is a b*tch but she works hard
 

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Really? Lets say we can house and feed and provide medical attention
and education and every other need (none would have SIN#'s so couldn't
pay tax's, so can't work) on top of the burocracy created by the situation
for only $500/head/month.....times 1/2 a million people...over twelve months
in a year....that would be $3,000,000,000.00....the first year.

That's not factoring the cost to get them here, or damage deposits on rental
housing, deposits on utilities, initial outlays for clothing and furnishings and
every other household thing, etc....

Canada has, what? 35,000,000 population or something like it currently. Not
all of them pay taxes. Factor out those below a certain financial level, and
children, etc...and how many income tax payers of working age are there in
Canada? 23,000,000? Call it $135 annually just to cover the monthly support
and none of the initial support, by every person in Canada currently paying
income tax....assuming it could be done for only $500/head....& I strongly
suspect the burocracy involved would cost more than that.
 

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nah we can't do it...we take in about 10,000 a year and cover health care, living expenses and retraining and support with language and interpreters etc.


Its easy to be liberal isn't it Sal. ;)

Really? Lets say we can house and feed and provide medical attention
and education and every other need (none would have SIN#'s so couldn't
pay tax's, so can't work) on top of the burocracy created by the situation
for only $500/head/month.....times 1/2 a million people...over twelve months
in a year....that would be $3,000,000,000.00....the first year.

That's not factoring the cost to get them here, or damage deposits on rental
housing, deposits on utilities, initial outlays for clothing and furnishings and
every other household thing, etc....

Canada has, what? 35,000,000 population or something like it currently. Not
all of them pay taxes. Factor out those below a certain financial level, and
children, etc...and how many income tax payers of working age are there in
Canada? 23,000,000? Call it $135 annually just to cover the monthly support
and none of the initial support, by every person in Canada currently paying
income tax....assuming it could be done for only $500/head....& I strongly
suspect the burocracy involved would cost more than that.


And you Canadians better continue to hold the line.
 

MHz

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seriously, you need to get out more and into your community to see exactly what we as Canadians support
...negative begets negative...karma is a b*tch but she works hard
Dis I miss some wonderful changes in the last 5 years? I don't think so.
So picking them in port before they set sail in a suicide mission escaped the rational of "NATO'?
Good at creating refugees but not so good at taking care of them once it costs money instead of making somebody in the West a bit richer. They don't have any trouble resyuing their own people. Perhaps the skin color is a bigger deal than is making the news.
 

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Really? Lets say we can house and feed and provide medical attention
and education and every other need (none would have SIN#'s so couldn't
pay tax's, so can't work) on top of the burocracy created by the situation
for only $500/head/month.....times 1/2 a million people...over twelve months
in a year....that would be $3,000,000,000.00....the first year.

That's not factoring the cost to get them here, or damage deposits on rental
housing, deposits on utilities, initial outlays for clothing and furnishings and
every other household thing, etc....

Canada has, what? 35,000,000 population or something like it currently. Not
all of them pay taxes. Factor out those below a certain financial level, and
children, etc...and how many income tax payers of working age are there in
Canada? 23,000,000? Call it $135 annually just to cover the monthly support
and none of the initial support, by every person in Canada currently paying
income tax....assuming it could be done for only $500/head....& I strongly
suspect the burocracy involved would cost more than that.

Numbers don't matter because Canadian leftists don't believe in arithmetic. Canada has a big heart, and is susceptible to guilt. Access to Canada through America is easy because America has no southern border, and the Canadian-American border is undefended. Canada is as ripe for the taking as California was in 1980. Besides, American leftists think they can manipulate Canada just as they have done in America.

The only way Canada could defend itself would be to militarize the border, and reduce its economic dependence on America. Canadians will discount the threat until it is too late.

...And you Canadians better continue to hold the line.

The Canadians are too nice. It's a fatal flaw.
 

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The time has come for an immigrant only policy no more refugees most are the ones
running from their own governments and they should not become our problem. We
need a new immigrant policy as well. If you are later found to be a criminal or you
commit a crime in the first ten years out you go one quick appeal and out of here
 

MHz

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The time has come for an immigrant only policy no more refugees most are the ones
running from their own governments and they should not become our problem. We
need a new immigrant policy as well. If you are later found to be a criminal or you
commit a crime in the first ten years out you go one quick appeal and out of here
The refugees from Libya are refugees because Canada was part of the gang that killed their leader and turned the place over to terrorists. If we don't have any responsibility for those people them maybe we should stay inside our own fuking borders.

Which of the crimes below was the linchpin for these Muslims becoming the refugees that number 1/2M people.

Facts about Libya under Gaddafi that you probably did not know about ! - CNN iReport

Here are some Facts you probably do not know about Libya under Muammar Gaddafi:
• There was no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free … for all its citizens.
• There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
• If a Libyan is unable to find employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
• Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they receive farm land, a house, equipment, seed and livestock to kick start their farms –this was all for free.
• Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
• A home was considered a human right in Libya. (In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.”)
• All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start a family.
• A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
• A mother who gives birth to a child would receive US $5,000.
• When a Libyan buys a car, the government would subsidizes 50% of the price.
• The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
• For $ 0.15, a Libyan local could purchase 40 loaves of bread.
• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.
• If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance.
• 25% of Libyans have a university degree. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 87%.
• Libya had no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – though much of this is now frozen globally.

Gaddafi wrote, “They want to do to Libya what they did to Iraq and what they are itching to do to Iran. They want to take back the oil, which was nationalized by these country’s revolutions. They want to re-establish military bases that were shut down by the revolutions and to install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate interests. All else is lies and deception.”

Finally, the gold bullion held by the Libyan Central Bank (March 2011) was among the 25 largest reserves in the world, as reported by the Financial Times, citing the International Monetary Fund. This provided Libya a critical lifeline after billions of Libya’s assets were seized by the United States and the 27 member states of the European Union.
 

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No we can't. We have the area but not the infrastructure,finances, or social services necessary to deal with an influx of half a million people with little in the way of job skills or the ability to cope with our winters. Pick a muslim country. Any muslim country.

The refugees from Libya are refugees because Canada was part of the gang that killed their leader and turned the place over to terrorists. If we don't have any responsibility for those people them maybe we should stay inside our own fuking borders.

Which of the crimes below was the linchpin for these Muslims becoming the refugees that number 1/2M people.

Facts about Libya under Gaddafi that you probably did not know about ! - CNN iReport

Here are some Facts you probably do not know about Libya under Muammar Gaddafi:
• There was no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free … for all its citizens.
• There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
• If a Libyan is unable to find employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
• Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they receive farm land, a house, equipment, seed and livestock to kick start their farms –this was all for free.
• Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
• A home was considered a human right in Libya. (In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.”)
• All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start a family.
• A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
• A mother who gives birth to a child would receive US $5,000.
• When a Libyan buys a car, the government would subsidizes 50% of the price.
• The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
• For $ 0.15, a Libyan local could purchase 40 loaves of bread.
• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.
• If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance.
• 25% of Libyans have a university degree. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 87%.
• Libya had no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – though much of this is now frozen globally.

Gaddafi wrote, “They want to do to Libya what they did to Iraq and what they are itching to do to Iran. They want to take back the oil, which was nationalized by these country’s revolutions. They want to re-establish military bases that were shut down by the revolutions and to install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate interests. All else is lies and deception.”

Finally, the gold bullion held by the Libyan Central Bank (March 2011) was among the 25 largest reserves in the world, as reported by the Financial Times, citing the International Monetary Fund. This provided Libya a critical lifeline after billions of Libya’s assets were seized by the United States and the 27 member states of the European Union.

Quite the criminal empire. Exporting terrorism and murering anyone at home you don't like appears to pay well.
 

MHz

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No we can't. We have the area but not the infrastructure,finances, or social services necessary to deal with an influx of half a million people with little in the way of job skills or the ability to cope with our winters. Pick a muslim country. Any muslim country.



Quite the criminal empire. Exporting terrorism and murering anyone at home you don't like appears to pay well.
They had lots of money, the NATO decided they wanted it instead.
Look in the mirror, that is what it takes to keep you in the lifestyle you probably don't deserve. We are the ones who have killed a few million Muslims in the last 10 years just because the lived above oil and water that NATO cronies decided belonged to them and not the people over the resources.
When you have to lie about the fact to the citizens of Canada to get their support then that shows the operation for what it is. Raping the land that belongs to others. No bonus points for being a liar in any club.
This is a closed site for the most part, why not speak freely and justt say, 'So what? That's what we do, that is what we have always done and that is the way things will continue to operate as long as we can make it happen at any price, including genocide should it be the best alternative.' Can't say that or the world we need would shun us.

You should mean oil sales where the leader gives a lot to his own people before big oil takes the rest.
Thanks for reminding me what the general view here is, I almost mistook it for a place humans hang out for 1/2 second. I'll be sure to be more careful about that in the future.