Guns for Groceries

[Tyr]

oh and the quote I provided was not the edited version you copied

An assault rifle is a selective fire (automatic and semi-automatic) rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and high-powered rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and SVT-40. Examples of assault rifles include the AK-47, the M1 rifle, and the Steyr AUG.

Maybe banks should start giving out AK-47's with every new account opened?

What are you talking about???

the Kalishnakov is a selective-fire rifle.

Versions have been modified to fire semi-auto, but they are not actual AK 47s.......I used to own one, it was an AK 84S.

Whatever...if the banks want to use that as an advertising gimick....., BTW, you should stay away from Michael Moore, he is a consumate con-artist.[/quote]

sure you don't mean an AK74S? Irregardless, your owning one speaks volumes

I put as much credence in Michael Moore as I would Wayne LaPierre. They both seem to sprinkle "a little something extra" on their cornflakes in the morning;-)

 

[Colpy]

What are you talking about???

the Kalishnakov is a selective-fire rifle.

Versions have been modified to fire semi-auto, but they are not actual AK 47s.......I used to own one, it was an AK 84S.

Whatever...if the banks want to use that as an advertising gimick....., BTW, you should stay away from Michael Moore, he is a consumate con-artist.

sure you don't mean an AK74S? Irregardless, your owning one speaks volumes

I put as much credence in Michael Moore as I would Wayne LaPierre. They both seem to sprinkle "a little something extra" on their cornflakes in the morning;-)[/quote]

The AK 74 is the modernized AK47......taking a page from the US 5.56 round, the Russkies developed a high-velocity, small caliber round for the AK, and renamed it the AK74 (developed in 1974). It is still seklective fire, so is a real "assault rifle"

I don't like the AK 47....it is poorly balanced, the sights are awful, the safety doubles as a dust cover, so you have to let go with one hand and reach over the rifle to operate it, it is not accurate, and the safety makes a loud "clack" when you flick it off.

The reason for its fame is simply it goes off every time you pull the trigger.

The M16 (C7 in the Canadian Army, AR 15 in the semi-auto civilian version) is much superior.

What kind of volumes?????

I know, I know, volumes about what a well-informed, wonderful man I am........always willing to try new things, to experiment......and to always stay well-armed.

 

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everyone should have at least one rifle to protect themselves against a government gone mad.....
ask the people of zimbabwe if they wished they had a rifle

 

[Tyr]

sure you don't mean an AK74S? Irregardless, your owning one speaks volumes

I put as much credence in Michael Moore as I would Wayne LaPierre. They both seem to sprinkle "a little something extra" on their cornflakes in the morning;-)

The AK 74 is the modernized AK47......taking a page from the US 5.56 round, the Russkies developed a high-velocity, small caliber round for the AK, and renamed it the AK74 (developed in 1974). It is still seklective fire, so is a real "assault rifle"

I don't like the AK 47....it is poorly balanced, the sights are awful, the safety doubles as a dust cover, so you have to let go with one hand and reach over the rifle to operate it, it is not accurate, and the safety makes a loud "clack" when you flick it off.

The reason for its fame is simply it goes off every time you pull the trigger.

The M16 (C7 in the Canadian Army, AR 15 in the semi-auto civilian version) is much superior.

What kind of volumes?????

I know, I know, volumes about what a well-informed, wonderful man I am........always willing to try new things, to experiment......and to always stay well-armed. [/quote]


...whose students are secretly plotting to assassinate you? Maybe that's why you have a handgun

What kind of volumes?????

I think it starts off with

"There once was a story about a man named jed.."

then it drifts off to Jethro, Granny and Ellie Mae.

I was a little too young to remember the rest

 

[Colpy]

The AK 74 is the modernized AK47......taking a page from the US 5.56 round, the Russkies developed a high-velocity, small caliber round for the AK, and renamed it the AK74 (developed in 1974). It is still seklective fire, so is a real "assault rifle"

I don't like the AK 47....it is poorly balanced, the sights are awful, the safety doubles as a dust cover, so you have to let go with one hand and reach over the rifle to operate it, it is not accurate, and the safety makes a loud "clack" when you flick it off.

The reason for its fame is simply it goes off every time you pull the trigger.

The M16 (C7 in the Canadian Army, AR 15 in the semi-auto civilian version) is much superior.

What kind of volumes?????

I know, I know, volumes about what a well-informed, wonderful man I am........always willing to try new things, to experiment......and to always stay well-armed.

...whose students are secretly plotting to assassinate you? Maybe that's why you have a handgun

What kind of volumes?????

I think it starts off with

"There once was a story about a man named jed.."

then it drifts off to Jethro, Granny and Ellie Mae.

I was a little too young to remember the rest[/quote]

There once was a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountain man, barely kept his family fed
And then one day he was shootin at some food
And up from the ground came a'bubblin' crude

Oil that is
Black gold,Texas tea

Well, the first thing ya know old jed's a millionaire
The kinfolk said "Jed, move away from there"
They said "California's the place you outta be"
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly

Hills, that is
Swimming polls, movie stars

I can't believe I remembered that!

BTW the only students I've had in the past 12 years were armoured car guards I was teaching how to shoot to live, or licence-seekers I was teaching the Canadian gov't
Firearms Safety Course.......

I don't think any of them wanted to kill me...........

The guards certainly had every opportunity....

 

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colpy, whats the 1st rule of fire-arms?

 

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Gun Control: Protecting Terrorists and Despots[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]'Tragically, over the Thanksgiving holiday, the world was reminded how evil and cruel people can be. According to emerging accounts of the events in India, about a dozen well-armed and devastatingly well-trained terrorists laid siege on the city of Mumbai, killing almost two hundred people, and terrorizing thousands. Regardless of the reasons, the indiscriminate shooting on masses of unarmed and defenseless people is chilling and reprehensible. How were these terrorists able to continue so long, relatively unchallenged, killing so many?'[/FONT]

Congressman Ron Paul - Gun Control: Protecting Terrorists and Despots - Texas Straight Talk

 

[Colpy]

colpy, whats the 1st rule of fire-arms?

Treat every firearm as if it were always loaded.

 

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afternoon mate, when I got my gun license in NZ, way too many moons ago to recall, the 1st rule was identify your target....obviously, here in Canada, no-one adheres to that rule, otherwise there would be no need to wear bright orange......I can just see the Kiwi deer and pigs and goats rolling about in pain from laughter at the sight of a bright orange hunter LOL :lol:

 

[Colpy]

The way I always heard it (and taught it) was:

Rule One : Treat every firearms as if it was always loaded.

Rule Two : Never point a firearm at anything you don't intend to kill.

Rule Three : Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

 

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no mention of anything relating to identifying ones target?
what scares me here is the flat terrain....I dont hunt here but work with hunters all around and with the flat terrain , I think these bullets are going for miles if they miss the target
at least in NZ and Aus there are hills that the slug will slam into....

 

[Colpy]

no mention of anything relating to identifying ones target?
what scares me here is the flat terrain....I dont hunt here but work with hunters all around and with the flat terrain , I think these bullets are going for miles if they miss the target
at least in NZ and Aus there are hills that the slug will slam into....

Most of the guys I taught weren't shooting at game..........they were guards, and they shot either targets or nefarious evil-doers.

Been a long time since I taught the NB Hunter Safety Course.....but yeah, it talks a lot about target ID, and the importance of being aware of what is beyond your target.

 

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oh ok.... can see the reason for the 3 rules you posted then, no worries, thanks for the info.
I asked 2 hunters day before yesterday what the 1st rule of fire-arms was........they looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language

 

[Tyr]

...whose students are secretly plotting to assassinate you? Maybe that's why you have a handgun

What kind of volumes?????

I think it starts off with

"There once was a story about a man named jed.."

then it drifts off to Jethro, Granny and Ellie Mae.

I was a little too young to remember the rest

There once was a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountain man, barely kept his family fed
And then one day he was shootin at some food
And up from the ground came a'bubblin' crude

Oil that is
Black gold,Texas tea

Well, the first thing ya know old jed's a millionaire
The kinfolk said "Jed, move away from there"
They said "California's the place you outta be"
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly

Hills, that is
Swimming polls, movie stars

I can't believe I remembered that!

BTW the only students I've had in the past 12 years were armoured car guards I was teaching how to shoot to live, or licence-seekers I was teaching the Canadian gov't
Firearms Safety Course.......

I don't think any of them wanted to kill me...........

The guards certainly had every opportunity.... [/quote]


I don't think any of them wanted to kill me...........

That would insinuate that you weren't too sure

There once was a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountain man, barely kept his family fed

I guess the conotation I was getting at was..... hillbilly.

The fact that you remember the ditty does speak to your age or incredible memory. The Beverly Hillbillies first appearred on TV in 1962

I do remember watching it in the late 60's in COLOUR!!!

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I don't own a gun because I smashed my shoulder and can't fire a rifle and I can't be bothered with hand guns as they are just too hard to get. I wouldn't mind having a gun just in case times get tough and I need to kill something to eat though. I hear humans taste like chicken.

Cliffy; It's hard in order to test your tenacity. Once you have the license there are three ways to get a handgun. Join a club, or become a trapper, or claim you need it for defense. (I would try joining a club first). Because you can't shoot a rifle you may have an argument for a handgun for defense against wildlife, we do have that right but that doesn't mean the liberal firearms office will approve it.

Hunting with handguns, though, is still verboten in this country;-)

I was quite amazed at the amount of Authorizations To Carry restricted or prohibited firearms issued to trappers at this end of the country.

For shooting club members in good standing it only takes about ten minutes longer to get a handgun than a rifle.

 

[Colpy]

Cliffy; It's hard in order to test your tenacity. Once you have the license there are three ways to get a handgun. Join a club, or become a trapper, or claim you need it for defense. (I would try joining a club first). Because you can't shoot a rifle you may have an argument for a handgun for defense against wildlife, we do have that right but that doesn't mean the liberal firearms office will approve it.

Hunting with hadguns, though, is still verboten in this country;-)

I was quite amazed at the amount of Authorizations To Carry restricted or prohibited firearms issued to trappers at this end of the country.

For shooting club members in good standing it only takes about ten minutes longer to get a handgun than a rifle.

All true, except you must pass the Canadian Firearms Safety Course to get an Aquisition licence for long guns.........and the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (restricted) to get an Aquisition licence for handguns....

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I keep handguns and rifles in case someone like you does wind up running the country

Sure it's just not paranoia??? Just 'cause they're not outside your window doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Sounds like you're in the wrong country. Those rotten commies aren't about to storm St. John

Handguns in the civilian population serve absolutely no purpose other than shooting someone.

You still didn't answer what your purpose for having them is. To protect yourself from an elected gov't? Hmmm. If it talks like a redneck and acts like a redneck, it's probably.....

Tyr; Why should a law abiding citizen have to justify why they own anything? Do we ask why a city slicker owns a Hummer? (Well, of course the environazis do, but its none of their damn business).

Handguns in the civilian population serve the purpose of defense. If the population is defenseless they are easy prey for criminals. The US Supreme Court and the SCC have both ruled that the police have absolutely no legal requirement to protect the individual. They carry handguns for defense of SELF, if you are under fire or being held by a gunman, don't expect them to put themselves at risk to come to your rescue.

Using a rifle for defense in an urban setting, (except a .22 rimfire) is inviting disaster. Centre fire rifles of any hunting caliber have 30 - 40 times the power of the largest of handguns, (except things like the Thompson Centre Contender which comes in rifle calibers).

A city slicker may ask why anyone would want a faux assault rifle, (these are still sporting rifles). Most come in .223 Remington caliber, only legal for deer in Manitoba. But they are a very adequate wildlife defense firearm, a cougar or bear can close the distance between you and it by 40' or more in the time it takes for you chamber a round in a bolt action, (after your first miss).

Firearms have been used by aggressors and defenders alike since they were first invented. But since governments can't seem to control the aggressors they placate the uninformed public by controlling the would-be defenders, leaving them defensless. Too often it is the government itself that is the aggressor.

Governments that cannot trust lawabiding citizens to own arms cannot themselves be trusted.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

All true, except you must pass the Canadian Firearms Safety Course to get an Aquisition licence for long guns.........and the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (restricted) to get an Aquisition licence for handguns....

Colpy; Given Cliffy's age, I think he still only needs to challenge the exams, (if he hasn't already), pay the $40 for each, and wait. I did them both the same day, and got the same question wrong on both:angry3:

 

[Tyr]

Cliffy; It's hard in order to test your tenacity. Once you have the license there are three ways to get a handgun. Join a club, or become a trapper, or claim you need it for defense. (I would try joining a club first). Because you can't shoot a rifle you may have an argument for a handgun for defense against wildlife, we do have that right but that doesn't mean the liberal firearms office will approve it.

Hunting with handguns, though, is still verboten in this country;-)

I was quite amazed at the amount of Authorizations To Carry restricted or prohibited firearms issued to trappers at this end of the country.

For shooting club members in good standing it only takes about ten minutes longer to get a handgun than a rifle.

Hunting with handguns, though, is still verboten in this country:wink:

Ok. I give. Why would anybody with an IQ over 50 "hunt" with a handgun? They want to see the whites of a mooses eyes as they blow it's head off? If you got that close, you'd be in serious trouble (not to mention having your mental state questioned)

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Hunting with handguns, though, is still verboten in this country:wink:

Ok. I give. Why would anybody with an IQ over 50 "hunt" with a handgun? They want to see the whites of a mooses eyes as they blow it's head off? If you got that close, you'd be in serious trouble (not to mention having your mental state questioned)

Tyr; Carrying a properly holstered handgun is far safer than carrying a rifle, (remember, these things are often loaded when hunting). While hunting large game with something like a .357 Mag, .357 Max or 44 Mag wouldn't be my idea of fun, or even humane, these firearms, and even smaller ones can offer a reasonable level of protection against the large predators or rutting moose on this continent should you be unfortunate enough to surprise one or be regarded by one as a snack. But if you can hunt a bird or bunny with .22 rifle, why not a .22 pistol?

Hanguns used for hunting large game use rifle ammunition. I have shot a Thompson Center Contender chambered for .257 Roberts. You can get it chambered for any caliber you want, even .410 shotgun, (though you could probably get it in .338 Lapua Mag, but I wouldn't go any higher than .308 Win personally). You can't get it in 12 ga. because the frame isn't big enough.

These handguns are of superior quality and accuracy than some rifles, I have shot a 1/2" group at 100 yds with the Contender. In this part of the country you won't see a deer 100 yds away unless you're in a clearcut area, areas they normally steer clear from anyway.