Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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I learned that from a Bob Marley documentary. Lol.
Actually years ago from a steamfitter at K2.
Without question gun violence amongst gangsters isnt an ethnic issue but a product of Climate Change and single use bags.
GOLDSTEIN: Trudeau blames Ford for Toronto's gun violence
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s response to Toronto’s out-of-control gun violence, which last week claimed the life of an innocent 12-year-old boy, was to blame Ont…
Trudeau, blaming Doug Ford for the shooting that killed a 12 year old in Toronto.
Why? Because Doug Ford won't allow Toronto to ban handguns.
This REALLY pisses me off.
The shooting was done with FULL AUTO machine pistols. They have been completely banned in Canada for over 40 years.
And Trudeau is a lying, manipulative, vicious PoS.
Sorry to state the obvious.
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A PM that can skate through a blackface scandal and 3 cases of ethics violations probably thinks he is not doing anything wrong.GOLDSTEIN: Trudeau blames Ford for Toronto's gun violence
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s response to Toronto’s out-of-control gun violence, which last week claimed the life of an innocent 12-year-old boy, was to blame Ont…torontosun.com
Trudeau, blaming Doug Ford for the shooting that killed a 12 year old in Toronto.
Why? Because Doug Ford won't allow Toronto to ban handguns.
This REALLY pisses me off.
The shooting was done with FULL AUTO machine pistols. They have been completely banned in Canada for over 40 years.
And Trudeau is a lying, manipulative, vicious PoS.
Sorry to state the obvious.
Report: Americans Own an Estimated 434 Million Firearms
Report: Americans Own an Estimated 434 Million Firearms
The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) reports there are an estimated 434 million firearms in private possession in the U.S..
www.breitbart.com
The firearm ban maybe a reason more firearms are getting on the streets
Rise in illicit guns on Edmonton streets could be linked to federal gun ban, police commission hears
Just like I said; the ban is counter-productive. It puts guns in the hands of criminals.
New documents detail the guns — all illegally obtained — used by Canada's worst mass murderer
Ryan Tumilty
Publishing date:
Nov 20, 2020 • Last Updated 37 minutes ago • 4 minute read
OTTAWA – Gabriel Wortman, the Nova Scotia man who murdered 22 people in April, was heavily armed with two semi-automatic rifles, two pistols and special ammunition boxes designed to carry extra bullets when he began his rampage.
Newly obtained documents also reveal all of the weapons were illegally obtained, three of them smuggled across the U.S. border.
The details are contained in a briefing note given to the prime minister just days after the shooting.
The note reveals the full horror of Wortman’s shooting spree which went on for 13 hours, across a wide swath of northern Nova Scotia, ending when he was shot and killed by an RCMP officer at a gas station. Wortman impersonated a RCMP officer throughout the evening, driving in a replica RCMP cruiser and wearing a police uniform.
In addition to weapons they believe he used, Wortman was found with the service pistol of RCMP Const. Heidi Stevenson who he killed in an earlier shootout.
Wortman was killed by another RCMP officer on the morning of April, 19, a full 13 hours after the shooting began. The shooting is the worst mass-shooting in Canadian history.The briefing note to the prime minister, obtained through access to information, shows Wortman had a “Colt Law Enforcement Carbine,” a semi-automatic weapon similar to the rifles issued to RCMP officers.
He was also carrying a Ruger mini-14, a semi-automatic rifle that was also used during the Montreal massacre. Both weapons were banned by the Liberals in May.
According to the briefing memo, the Colt was sourced to a California gun shop and was illegally smuggled into Canada. The mini-14 was purchased legally in Canada, but it is unlikely it was bought by Wortman who did not have any firearms licence.Wortman was also carrying two additional pistols; a Glock GmbH semi-automatic pistol and a Ruger P89 semi-automatic pistol, which were both smuggled in from Maine.
Matt Hipwell, president of Wolverine Supplies, a Manitoba firearms store, said three of the weapons Wortman used, the two pistols and the Colt carbine, were restricted firearms at the time of the shooting and depending on the specific characteristics of the weapons they might have been banned entirely in Canada.
As restricted weapons they would have required Wortman to complete a more detailed safety course and a thorough background check. Those weapons are also only allowed for use at target ranges.Hipwell, a former RCMP officer, said it is clear gun restrictions would not have stopped the shooting.
“He had no intention of following the law, so banning firearms, banning semi automatic rifles and handguns would not have stopped him,” he said. “There are strict storage and transportation regulations that go along with those firearms. So there’s a lot of boxes and regulations in place already that this individual did not check.”
The mini-14 was not a restricted weapon at the time of the shooting, but would still have required a firearms licence. The Liberal changes in May have since
banned the weapon, which was also used at the École Polytechnique shooting in 1989.
Hipwell said while the rifle is used internationally by some police agencies, for most Canadian owners it is a hunting rifle.
He said the Colt carbine rifle would have given Wortman the same firepower as RCMP officers, but officers generally don’t use the rifle in all but the worst situations.
In addition to the Colt, Wortman’s other assault rifle and the two pistols would have given him more firepower than the officers he encountered.
The briefing memo also mentions “over capacity ammunition boxes,” sourced outside of Canada. Hipwell said that likely means they were equipped with magazines allowing Wortman to fire many more bullets than he normally would have been able to.
In Canada, the pistols would have been limited to 10 bullets, but American versions could carry as many as 18. The rifles would be legally limited to five shots in Canada, but Wortman would have been able to fire many more.
In a statement in July after search warrant documents were released, the RCMP said the investigation had so far revealed that Wortman made multiple trips to Maine to visit friends.“Investigators have confirmed that the gunman did communicate with these individuals frequently and visited them on a frequent basis. The full nature and extent of those relationships remain under investigation and as such, no additional information will be provided at this time,” read the force’s statement.
The search warrant documents also indicated that Wortman was engaged in drug and gun smuggling, but the RCMP cautioned in their statement that only one person of the more than 700 they had interviewed provided that information.
While gun restrictions are much more lax in the United States, all states require that someone be a resident of the state they are in to purchase weapons and people simply visiting are not permitted to buy guns.
The RCMP declined to say whether they were working with U.S. law enforcement. After initially resisting the effort, the federal government called for a public inquiry into the shooting. The force said they will release any additional information there.
“The RCMP recognizes the need to provide the factual account of what transpired this past April. With the public inquiry now ongoing, the most appropriate and unbiased opportunity to do so is with our full participation in the inquiry,” said Sgt. Andrew Joyce with the Nova Scotia RCMP.
“The inquiry is underway and RCMP is fully cooperating. The RCMP will respectfully refrain from further commenting on these matters outside of the inquiry.”
New documents detail the guns — all illegally obtained — used by Canada's worst mass murderer
Gabriel Wortman had more firepower than the officers he encountered: A Colt Law Enforcement Carbine, a Ruger mini-14, a Glock pistol, a Ruger P89 pistol
Once again, nobody bids on federal firearms buyback program
Zac KurylykNovember 12, 2020
Can you hear it—that womp-womp, sad horn sound? Once again, the federal firearms buyback program apparently failed to attract any bidders; no private company wants to design and manage the program, it seems. The government’s tender website still doesn’t list any interested suppliers, after the feds listed the opportunity a second time.
In May, the Liberal government announced it was banning a wide range of firearms, in the wake of the Portapique arson/shooting massacre. The list included sporting, tactical and hunting models. The government said the firearms were now prohibited, with a plan for the government to buy them off owners, and destroy them.
To accomplish that, the feds issued a tender through the BuyAndSell.gc.ca website, looking for a private partner to design, and possibly operate, the buyback program. The original tender appeared in early August, with no takers. A second tender went out in mid-October, with the same goal. Now, that one’s expired too, with no interested supplier listed. Maybe there’s something going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about, maybe not. On the surface, though, it seems the feds are back to the drawing board.
The question now is, what is the federal government’s next move? The most recent tender description said the government wanted the buyback program plans completed by March 31, 2021. Now, it’s been three months since the first tender went out, and it seems the feds can’t get any interested takers.
Possible options
There are at least three choices ahead. First, the government could post the tender again, perhaps with a modified timeline or some other changes. Maybe a company would bite this time.
Second, the federal government could design its own program—hand it off to some bureaucrats, and see what they come up with.
Third, the government could scrap the idea of a buyback, and go straight to confiscation with no compensation. This third option is probably what Canadian firearms owners are most concerned about. It’s doubtful any compensation plan would every pay fair market value for a kitted-out tactical rifle. However, some sort of remuneration would be preferable to none, for many owners.
Stay tuned on this one, as we’ll likely see some sort of government announcement on the process in coming weeks.
Once again, nobody bids on federal firearms buyback program - Calibremag.ca
The Liberal government still can't find a company interested in designing, and potentially managing, its firearms buyback plan.
calibremag.ca
I wonder why? Nobody wants the stigma of participation in fascist (Trudeau is a Peronist) acts?
RED ALERT: National Police Federation Opposes Liberal Gun Ban
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If someone is pulled over for drinking and driving, and the officer tells them to drive their vehicle 100 feet down the road and park it on a side street....is the driver drunk? Nope.
These banned firearms are still in the possession of their law abiding owners. This tells me that the owners never posed a risk to public safetly, and they still don't.
These banned firearms are still in the possession of their law abiding owners. This tells me that the owners never posed a risk to public safetly, and they still don't.
Q&A With Pete Merrifield (President of the National Police Federation that represents line RCMP officers)
Q: What is your criticism of the May 1 confiscation Order in Council?
Our concern representing 20,000 police officers is that it is not a public-safety action that correctly targets crime or criminals.
Second, it diverts valuable resources that could go into funding of a vibrant enforcement program to stop criminals and smuggling and help with issues like mental health and poverty.
[Regarding the so-called firearm “buyback”:] We would have preferred those funds be directed specifically at public safety activities.
We are trying to stay out of the politics. From our perspective, this is not a gun issue, it’s a crime issue.
It’s very clear that the current system of licensing, screening and training is working, because there is no factual correlation between the growth of legal gun ownership and crime. Canada ranks 7th in the world for the proliferation of legally owned firearms, but all the way down at 129th in firearm-related homicide. This should be an enormous indication for proper analysis of directing resources towards criminal use of illegal firearms.
The problem is very much gang-related crime activity and gang-related homicide.
Q: This looks like RCMP managers on one side and the front-line officers in charge of enforcing the confiscations on the other.
I can’t speak to any “confiscation” issue as that has yet to be tabled in any legislative framework for details. We represent the interests of the membership, the front-line membership who have to deal with this crime issue day in, and day out. They don’t have the luxury of sitting in lofty offices and pontificating.
When we draft a position, it’s fact based, it’s well researched, and its in the interest of public and police safety. There’s no politics at play.
This is not a partisan issue for us. It’s a safety issue for us only and always.
We’re not pointing fingers. We’re saying that in our opinion as police officers, this is a misdirected effort when it comes to public safety.
Let’s make sure that when we spend what the public contributes in government finances, that the public get back the best possible service and results in public safety for their tax dollar. I think the expectation of most Canadians of their government and police is a crime-reduced society, if not a crime-free society.
Q: How big an issue is this for your membership?
We’ve got a lot of issues currently on the table.
We’re dealing with a massive human-resources issue with short-staffing, heavy workloads and limited resources.
We are presently managing a tremendous number of external and internal issues for our members. Our members have for too long been stretched too thin to be completely effective in meeting the needs of public safety.
The RCMP membership suffers some of the highest rates in policing for operational stress injuries and PTSD. The need to properly resource policing and public safety priorities is taking a toll on the women and men in uniform in this country.
The NPF represents good people doing dangerous work for Canadians, and they need to be supported by their government, the organization, and the Canadian public.
I want them to be supported so that they can serve Canadians effectively.
Q: What led to this topic as your first position statement?
The recent death of an innocent 12-year-old boy. That’s enough, that was it.
It does not matter what city it is, whether it’s Surrey, Calgary, Montreal or Winnipeg. The level of crime and violence is unacceptable, and we have the ability to alter it, so let’s get the job done.
Events like this recent tragedy and this summer’s earlier incident in downtown Toronto, where dozens of bullets were fired in a brazen daylight shooting on a public street between gang members narrowly missing a young child on the sidewalk and dozens of innocent bystanders. That should infuriate every single citizen in this country.
We cannot accept that anyone thinks they can do that on our streets, where our spouses and children are.
The NPF has been working on more than a dozen position statements since the spring on a variety of issues that impact or are relevant to our membership.
Today we shared our position statement on firearms crime and public safety with everybody, including members of parliament and the media.
We want to create a conversation in this country with the input of the membership of the largest police force in the country.
This is not a partisan issue for us. The minute someone tries to put a politician or a political party to it, I get upset. This is about public safety, not political stripe.
We want to shift this “debate” to a fact-based narrative to put clear perspective on how to make this country a safer place for everyone who is prepared to respect the law and each other. For those that choose to disobey the law and put others at risk, we have 20,000+ members waiting for you.
RCMP Union’s Pete Merrifield Comments on Opposition to Liberal Attacks | TheGunBlog.ca
Pete Merrifield, VP of the RCMP labour union, comments on opposition to the Liberal gun bans.
thegunblog.ca
