Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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I think we can both agree that the mentally ill can be denied their freedom when necessary. So what are you attempting to say here?
Why? Do you have the first shred of evidence that the mentally ill are more dangerous than those who have not been diagnosed?

Secondly, I see you get your panties all in a bunch over the gol-dang gummint restricting guns when (according to you), the Second Amendment says "The government shall not," and then here you are advocating restricting freedoms.

You should definitely take it on the road. Stupid funny Canadians sell well down here. Think Rick Moranis and Red Green.
 

Colpy

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Please show me where in the US constitution that firearms cannot be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. .


It doesn't.


Or that extra-capacity magazines cannot be regulated


The United States vs Miller 1939


On March 30, 1939, the Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

  1. The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
  2. The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
  3. The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
  4. The "double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230" was never used in any militia organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller


You can not argue that 30 round magazines are not used by any militia organization.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It doesn't.
I beg to differ. ". . . the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." has no exception.

You can not argue that 30 round magazines are not used by any militia organization.
What militia has used them?

You will note that the reasoning in Miller would allow banning handguns, whose only military use is by MPs and officers, and in the latter case only as a badge of authority and last-ditch self-defense weapon (for that matter, they were generally carried for the primary purpose of defending the officer from his own troops).
 

Colpy

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I beg to differ. ". . . the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." has no exception.


What militia has used them?

You will note that the reasoning in Miller would allow banning handguns, whose only military use is by MPs and officers, and in the latter case only as a badge of authority and last-ditch self-defense weapon (for that matter, they were generally carried for the primary purpose of defending the officer from his own troops).


Ah, my mistake on the mentally ill. I misread his original post.......I was trying to say the Constitution does not allow for keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill, but I got it 180 degrees wrong.


You're right.


Then you're wrong.

As for the 30 round magazines and handguns used by the militia, there are a hell of a lot of handguns and 30 round magazines used by every military entity in the USA.
 

petros

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I like to point out to dummies like him that before the liberals of Pierre trudeau that the country would borrow interest free from the Bank of Canada.
Check out just the interest we pay yearly....... https://www.fraserinstitute.org/art...ebt-translates-into-7000-for-a-family-of-four
Thank you Trudeau liberals
It was never interest free and it limited the amount of currency in circulation. With limited currency interest rates, taxes and inflation went loopy.
 

spilledthebeer

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you are so full of shit, it is spewing out of your keyboad.

The US is ranked 109th in the world, and London actually has a higher murder rate than New York.


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Yes- and Brits do a lot of their killing with KNIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is time to BAN LIE-berals as they are dangerous to our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Yes- and Brits do a lot of their killing with KNIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is time to BAN LIE-berals as they are dangerous to our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hey......maybe we should encourage Bluebyrdie to blow some more of her stuff.......Byrdie guano is good for plants!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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It was never interest free and it limited the amount of currency in circulation. With limited currency interest rates, taxes and inflation went loopy.


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YOU UTTERLY DELUSIONAL IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE JOKING about how govt could borrow EVER interest free from Bank of Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO GOVT EXCEPT the bankrupt Soviet govt ever borrowed anything for FREE from anybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


petros- go tell your keeper that your delusional state is expanding and you NEED TO LIE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Bar Sinister

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I think we can both agree that the mentally ill can be denied their freedom when necessary. So what are you attempting to say here?

Are you saying there are menntally ill patients running around hospital wards with assault weapons? That would be dumb because it is not happening.

Are you saying that we should all be treated like the mentally ill? That too would be dumb.




And are you saying that people with PTSD and clear signs of metal instability should be allowed free access to firearms?
 

Bar Sinister

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It doesn't.





The United States vs Miller 1939


On March 30, 1939, the Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

  1. The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
  2. The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
  3. The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
  4. The "double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230" was never used in any militia organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller


You can not argue that 30 round magazines are not used by any militia organization.


Oh, and exactly what militia organization did any of these nutcases belong to?
 

JamesBondo

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And are you saying that people with PTSD and clear signs of metal instability should be allowed free access to firearms?

I actually didn't say anything about people with PTSD, so I think you are avoiding my request for you to clarify what your previous post meant.
 

Colpy

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Oh, and exactly what militia organization did any of these nutcases belong to?


10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes




(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246


Give it up Bar.........you don't have a leg to stand on.
 

JamesBondo

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What the feck are you babbling about? It happened exactly that way. If your grasp of right-and-wrong, truth-and-falsehood is so tenuous, you are certainly unworthy of leading Scouts, that's for darned sure.
hey CrapCdn, remember your the bullshit story that your brother told you about a bullet in a fire? Do you remember how pissed off you were when I told you that you were fed a line of bullshit?
Well, check out this video
They detonate a 50 calibre round, and it doesn't even kill a stuffed bear which took a direct hit. Now do I recommend that you try this at home? Absolutely not just in case you fall victim to a 1 in a million detonation.
That BS story of your brother's? it is a safe bet that it was BS and you are as gullible as shit.
 

spilledthebeer

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hey CrapCdn, remember your the bullshit story that your brother told you about a bullet in a fire? Do you remember how pissed off you were when I told you that you were fed a line of bullshit?
Well, check out this video
They detonate a 50 calibre round, and it doesn't even kill a stuffed bear which took a direct hit. Now do I recommend that you try this at home? Absolutely not just in case you fall victim to a 1 in a million detonation.
That BS story of your brother's? it is a safe bet that it was BS and you are as gullible as shit.


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PITY the imbecile Bar Sinister who really only has limited contact with events on this planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bar Silly Sister suggests the mentally ill can be easily deprived of their freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral govt is doing all in its power to AVOID HAVING TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals NEED THAT GRAVY to buy votes and cling to power at any price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals DO NOT intend to waste THEIR GRAVY on LOONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider:




Here is an article illustrating all that is wrong with our LIE-beral dominated mental health system. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Death of woman slain by mom an indictment of mental health system.

By Paula Simons, Edmonton Journal. Published: February 28, 2018. Updated:
February 28, 2018 10:17 PM EST

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What a grotesque indictment of our broken, dysfunctional mental health care system. “What happened was a tragedy. More than that, it was a catastrophe.”

That’s how Justice Wayne Renke on Wednesday described the death of Rachael Longridge, 21, who was killed by her mother, Christine Longridge, on Dec. 23, 2016.

There was never any doubt that Christine Longridge stabbed her daughter, a young nurse. Her son, Michael, then 18, actually arrived home to witness his mother doing her best to chop off his sister’s head with a cleaver.

Instead, we should ask why Rachael Longridge died — and why more wasn’t done to save her.

Renke found Christine Longridge not criminally responsible. “She knew what she was doing and she intended to do what she did,” said Renke.

But the judge found “beyond the shadow of a doubt” that she was incapable of understanding that what she was doing was morally wrong.

“”She believed she had the moral authority to kill,” Renke told the courtroom, his voice breaking as Rachael Longridge’s friends and family sobbed.

“Her delirium tore her from rational understanding.”

Rachael Longridge 21, was Edmonton’s 41st homicide victim of 2016. Her friend Danielle Bourque said Longridge was inherently caring and a natural nurse. But she couldn’t rescue her mother from her demons or herself from her mother.

Christine Longridge had her first psychotic break 20 years ago after the birth of her son. She became convinced he was the Messiah. She was hospitalized, diagnosed with bipolar/schizoaffective disorder and prescribed a high dose of lithium. And as long as her husband, Erin, was alive, he made sure she took her medication.

(So it is the usual tragedy- nobody available to ENFORCE the taking of the drugs that keep the deluded patient on the straight and sane path!)

But when her husband died in December 2015, she was left with only her children, then 17 and 20, to care for her. She became erratic about taking her medication. She stopped washing. She started hiding socks full of meat behind the chesterfield.

On Oct. 30, 2016, neighbours called police, after finding her, screaming and paranoid, curled up on their deck.

Police could have called the mental health crisis team. They could have taken her to hospital. Instead, they called her teenaged son to fetch his mother.

Christine Longridge’s sister drove her to the ER later that night. But the hospital refused to admit her.

(So the cops did their duty under the LIE-beral law and left Mom in the care of her son- a “responsible adult” who knew what she needed but had no way of getting it for her!)

Days later, her children found their mother running around outside without shoes, in the snow. She was convinced their house was about to explode. Then, on Nov. 7, she tried to kill herself. This time, she was admitted to hospital, but only for a week. When she was released, her usual medications were changed. She was prescribed only half her usual dose of lithium.

(And why change the dosage? Did the shrink screw up? Or did he think it would be easier to get the woman to take her medication if the dosage was reduced? WE know these psychotropic drugs often have unpleasant side effects which is why mental patients often stop taking them- and end up in trouble!)

In the days before she killed her daughter, Christine Longridge became obsessed again with the belief that her son was the Messiah, that her daughter had to die to save him. She told people, repeatedly, that her daughter must die. No one seems to have taken her seriously. Perhaps they were in denial about just how sick she was.

(Or perhaps they were familiar with what a waste of time it was to seek help from the LIE-beral dominated legal system so they did what LIE-berals do- crossed their fingers and prayed nothing would go wrong!)

What a grotesque indictment of our broken, dysfunctional mental health system. In the weeks and months before she killed her child, Christine Longridge was floridly psychotic, delusional, paranoid and self-destructive. She was a clear danger to herself and others.

(And yet if a divorced husband walked into a store and told the clerk: “I want the biggest butcher knife in the place to kill my wife with- cops would arrive at high speed and a LIE-beral hug a thug judge would have the hubby in jail in no time!)

Yet she couldn’t get a long-term hospital bed. There doesn’t seem to have any effort to have social workers or psychiatric nurses follow up with the family after she was released. Instead, her two children were left to tend a manic, hallucinating psychiatric patient without any social or medical support.

(And if questioned- we know the excuses that would be made: senior social workers would have passed the buck- that the children of crazy Christine did not properly “advocate” for her! Or maybe the social workers would blame another level of govt for not supporting their spendthrift bosses and wasteful pals with adequate resources? With LIE-berals its always the fault of others!)

Christine Longridge could have been committed for long-term psychiatric care. But of course, we don’t have enough beds in the “system” for that. We closed them. Instead, we talk and talk about caring for people “in the community.” But mostly, there is no “community care” — we just dump catastrophically ill people on family members who have no resources to cope.

(Yes- LIE-berals think it is a violation of peoples rights to force them into mental health care where they can be stabilized and made safe! And LIE-berals have also set their priorities for us. Sun writer Christina Blizzard documented the ugly reality that the education budget is rising FIFTY PERCENT FASTER than the health care budget- under LIE-berals- in spite of there being steadily reduced numbers of kids in the system while the number of health care patients SOARS! I guess we know now where LIE-berals figure they can buy the most votes! LIE-berals seem to think it is easier- FOR THEM- to ignore mental health patients and let them get shot on the street by cops- or as in cases like this- they terrorize others!)

Perhaps if we’d found a bed for Christine Longridge then, she wouldn’t be locked up in the forensic unit at Alberta Hospital now.

(LIE-berals had a choice: to get Longridge a bed and force a cure onto her so she could be given a few months of treatment at moderate cost - and then go back to her private life without trouble. Or they could ignore her till she committed this terrible crime and will now need to be locked up for life- at huge cost long term cost. AS usual LIE-berals chose the selfish short term solution!)

And perhaps Rachael Longridge would have her young life ahead of her.

(Yes- IF LIE-berals took our health care seriously for a change! This is the cost of LIE-beral health care rationing- so they can funnel more gravy to their pals! )

Will there be a fatality inquiry into Rachael Longridge’s death? Alberta Justice won’t say — although department spokesman Dan Laville says people can write letters petitioning the Fatality Review Board to convene one.

(Yrs- write letters- LIE-berals LOVE to talk things over with us and then tell us what conclusions they reached- BEFORE we wrote a single letter!)

Alberta Health Services confirmed late Wednesday that it will conduct a review of the case.

The court Wednesday made the right decision. Christine Longridge received justice, properly tempered with mercy. But there will be no justice for her daughter unless we push to ask why the Longridge family was betrayed by a health-care system that was supposed to help them.
 

pgs

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hey CrapCdn, remember your the bullshit story that your brother told you about a bullet in a fire? Do you remember how pissed off you were when I told you that you were fed a line of bullshit?
Well, check out this video
They detonate a 50 calibre round, and it doesn't even kill a stuffed bear which took a direct hit. Now do I recommend that you try this at home? Absolutely not just in case you fall victim to a 1 in a million detonation.
That BS story of your brother's? it is a safe bet that it was BS and you are as gullible as shit.
Gullible George .