Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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Exactly, but it proves my point.........taking reasonable precautions is sensible, worrying/fearing about everything that might happen is not. Life is a learning experience.
Precisely. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil, my twelve-bore and my nine mike-mike, they comfort me."
 

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Precisely. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil, my twelve-bore and my nine mike-mike, they comfort me."
Ugh...NOoooooo............... Humans have crawled up out of the slime and are still around because we have been able to learn through experience over the centuries and to pass that experience on.


Oooops forgot...We have not learned how to prevent warfare. It does make one wonder if this is nature's way of culling out the human species though. If we did not send a certain portion of our young out to war regularly, there would be far too many of us for the world to support.
 

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Ugh...NOoooooo............... Humans have crawled up out of the slime and are still around because we have been able to learn through experience over the centuries and to pass that experience on.
Yeah, and one thing we learned is to make, keep, and bear arms.


Oooops forgot...We have not learned how to prevent warfare. It does make one wonder if this is nature's way of culling out the human species though. If we did not send a certain portion of our young out to war regularly, there would be far too many of us for the world to support.
Nah, war is an incredibly cost-ineffective way to control population. Disease and famine are way better.
 

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Yeah, and one thing we learned is to make, keep, and bear arms.



Nah, war is an incredibly cost-ineffective way to control population. Disease and famine are way better.
Oh yes famine and disease does a great job of cutting down the population in the poor parts of our world. It doesn't work well for population growth in the case of wealthier nations. These countries do not starve, and most of the better off citizens have medical care. With abortion and birth control frowned upon, making war seems to be the main choice here.
 

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I'm glad to see that we are agreeing that taking reasonable precautions is a good idea, even if we don't agree on what that means. Maybe, it would be best to consider that reasonable is as broad and variable as the law abiding citizens that live in this great country.

There was much talk recently about the right to stand your ground as if everyone has a choice to turn tail and run away. It simply is not true. Due to health conditions and physical disabilities, many citizens would be signing their death certificate if they tried to turn their backs and run away. Are they being unreasonable if they stand their ground? Of course not.
 

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I'm glad to see that we are agreeing that taking reasonable precautions is a good idea, even if we don't agree on what that means. Maybe, it would be best to consider that reasonable is as broad and variable as the law abiding citizens that live in this great country.

There was much talk recently about the right to stand your ground as if everyone has a choice to turn tail and run away. It simply is not true. Due to health conditions and physical disabilities, many citizens would be signing their death certificate if they tried to turn their backs and run away. Are they being unreasonable if they stand their ground? Of course not.
Even in "mandatory retreat" states, it is generally held that there is no safe retreat from a gun (that's a general statement, there is some variation). So in addition to your perceptive comment on the condition of the intended victim, there is also recognition that retreat is not always possible even for the able.
 

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Even in "mandatory retreat" states, it is generally held that there is no safe retreat from a gun (that's a general statement, there is some variation). So in addition to your perceptive comment on the condition of the intended victim, there is also recognition that retreat is not always possible even for the able.
Standing your ground where there is no access to your trusty side arm, can be rather disastrous. The only time I was robbed, was getting on a bus at rush hour. Several men closed in on my purse and rifled it while a large mob pushed us into the bus. I could not even say who they were once on the bus, never mind shoot them. They would have had my gun as well had I carried one. I knew what was happening and could not do a thing about it.


So these days, I carry very little of value in my purse. Kleenex, some used, a pen or two, cheap pair of reading glasses and perhaps the book I am reading. My card, license etc. is usually in an inside pocket.
 

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And how will that protect you? They won't know what you have until after they have assaulted you and made off with your worthless purse.
 

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And how will that protect you? They won't know what you have until after they have assaulted you and made off with your worthless purse.
It protects my assets. What else would they need from a lady who is well over 70? Since over all these years that one and only theft occurred in the middle of Montreal in broad daylight when I was not even 20 years old, I guess I do a reasonable job of protecting myself.


Your outrage reminds me of my sister's experience a few years ago. She was walking her dog and two young hoodlums demanded her purse. She told them they really didn't want her purse. They said yes they did and snatched it anyway and ran with it. It turned out to be an old purse she used to store the plastic bags of pooper-scooping of excrement from the dog!!


What was even funnier, all her friends in her apartment building insisted she report the attempted robbery to the police. She did and she is still mortified by the laughter of the whole police station.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Standing your ground where there is no access to your trusty side arm, can be rather disastrous. The only time I was robbed, was getting on a bus at rush hour. Several men closed in on my purse and rifled it while a large mob pushed us into the bus. I could not even say who they were once on the bus, never mind shoot them. They would have had my gun as well had I carried one. I knew what was happening and could not do a thing about it.


So these days, I carry very little of value in my purse. Kleenex, some used, a pen or two, cheap pair of reading glasses and perhaps the book I am reading. My card, license etc. is usually in an inside pocket.
I'm sorry that happened to you. But you seem to be insisting that a gun is only useful as a protective measure if it is infallible, despite the fact that you acknowledge that your protective measures are not infallible. Why the difference?
 

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It protects my assets. What else would they need from a lady who is well over 70? Since over all these years that one and only theft occurred in the middle of Montreal in broad daylight when I was not even 20 years old, I guess I do a reasonable job of protecting myself.


Your outrage reminds me of my sister's experience a few years ago. She was walking her dog and two young hoodlums demanded her purse. She told them they really didn't want her purse. They said yes they did and snatched it anyway and ran with it. It turned out to be an old purse she used to store the plastic bags of pooper-scooping of excrement from the dog!!


What was even funnier, all her friends in her apartment building insisted she report the attempted robbery to the police. She did and she is still mortified by the laughter of the whole police station.

So sorry to disappoint. I don't get outraged by 70 year old ladies, just people that would want to hurt them.

I'm sorry that happened to you. But you seem to be insisting that a gun is only useful as a protective measure if it is infallible, despite the fact that you acknowledge that your protective measures are not infallible. Why the difference?

Not everyone should own a gun, nor needs to. They can clearly be the benefactor to a civilized neighborhood brought about by good citizens( and police) arming themselves. I don't mind watching out for those that can't or won't watch out for themselves. I suspect most responsible citizens feel the same way that I do.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Not everyone should own a gun, nor needs to.
Absolutely not. Unless you have looked deep within and decided you can kill, you shouldn't own one.

They can clearly be the benefactor to a civilized neighborhood brought about by good citizens( and police) arming themselves. I don't mind watching out for those that can't or won't watch out for themselves. I suspect most responsible citizens feel the same way that I do.
I certainly hope so, and I generally agree. At least enough of them to be there when needed.
 

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Absolutely not. Unless you have looked deep within and decided you can kill, you shouldn't own one
I think if my life or the life of someone I love was threatened I could kill. But what I don't know is whether or not I could live with it after, how could one know that until after and then it's too late
 

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I think if my life or the life of someone I love was threatened I could kill. But what I don't know is whether or not I could live with it after, how could one know that until after and then it's too late

Still, nice to have the chance to find out. Considering the alternative.
 

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I'm sorry that happened to you. But you seem to be insisting that a gun is only useful as a protective measure if it is infallible, despite the fact that you acknowledge that your protective measures are not infallible. Why the difference?
Good grief, one pickpocket in a lifetime doesn't seem to be too bad to me. In my opinion, it did not call for buying a gun or taking any further protective measures, except from then on I took a cab home instead of a bus, whenever my arms were loaded with parcels. Oh perhaps I didn't mention that originally. I would have elbowed my purse away from whoever had hold of it at the time.


LOL, I did hit one guy in the head with my umbrella when he pinched me at a bus stop though. Over the years, I have picked up a few defensive moves and have yet to try them out on anyone. Oh well, hopefully there is still time.
 

JamesBondo

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While I would have no problem sending a dozen twelve year old boys down to the local pond to play hockey. I sure as hell wouldn't send the same group out with 22 rifles.


You should not be teaching your boy to shoot a 22 rifle over water.