Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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You are delusional. In times of limited resource, you are ultimately responsible for your own food, your own medical care, and your own protection. Calling 911 may work well for you, for now, but how well did it work during Katrina yet that is the government that you want to place your misguided naive trust in.

You seem to think the government is prepared to help you in any crisis. They aren't.
I don't remember any mass gunplay in New Orleans after Katrina.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Calm down. Apparently, you like to shoot the messenger when you don't like the message.
I love the message. I own plenty of guns. I just know the difference between my gun and my d*ck.

"Beck and call." The "beck" is a summoning gesture (as in "beckon") and the "call" is calling someone to you. Hence "beck and call."

There. Now you're smarter than you were 15 minutes ago.
 

JamesBondo

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I offer you no apology.

A troll uses any excuse to derail a discussion. does it really matter if it is beck and call or becking call when the question was about the response time of a police officer summoned by a 911 call.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I offer you no apology.
Whatever fantasy led you to believe I want, or would value, and apology from you?

A troll uses any excuse to derail a discussion. does it really matter if it is beck and call or becking call when the question was about the response time of a police officer summoned by a 911 call.
OK, go ahead on using "becking call." It's all of a piece with your cowboy belligerence.
 

JamesBondo

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oh so it's about me, and not the response time of 911.

Don't mind me, I'm just going to ignore you until you get back on topic.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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oh so it's about me, and not the response time of 911.

Don't mind me, I'm just going to ignore you until you get back on topic.
Have fun with that.

I do believe I am mortally wounded by that hail of reddies.

Truly pathetic.

I particularly liked the part where you said you were going to ignore me, then proceeded to give me all those reddies. Thanks. Nothing like a clown to cheer up a Monday evening.
 

taxslave

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I offer you no apology.

A troll uses any excuse to derail a discussion. does it really matter if it is beck and call or becking call when the question was about the response time of a police officer summoned by a 911 call.

Thats easy. Either tell them there are free doughnuts or shots fired.
 

JamesBondo

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In many cities across America, financial issues have led to reductions in police forces. In Detroit, a city that has experienced serious cutbacks in law enforcement staffing in recent years, self-defense shootings have increased to 2200% above the national average. More than 300 legally armed citizens defended themselves there last year.
Detroit’s police chief James Craig said the following about armed citizens:
“There’s a number of CPL (concealed pistol license) holders running around the city of Detroit. I think it acts as a deterrent. Good Americans with CPLs translates into crime reduction.”
Yet, the anti-gun folks would like all of us to be disarmed, and rely on law enforcement to protect us.

Read more at When Seconds Count, Police Are Minutes Away…Or Your 911 Call Goes to Voicemail - Freedom Outpost
 

bluebyrd35

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You are delusional. In times of limited resource, you are ultimately responsible for your own food, your own medical care, and your own protection. Calling 911 may work well for you, for now, but how well did it work during Katrina yet that is the government that you want to place your misguided naive trust in.

You seem to think the government is prepared to help you in any crisis. They aren't.
What the heck do you think we pay all that tax money for?? Why keep voting in a government who instead of putting that tax money where it belongs, ie health care, education, and caring for those who need help dealing with such disasters.. I cannot understand those who think all individuals who are unemployed, uneducated or sick are should be punished further for these conditions. We pay taxes (in Canada very high ones) for such services firstly for ourselves. IF there is, after all individuals are cared for in our own Country, something left over, then the government can choose to help other countries, or individuals. Going to war for anything other than a direct attack by another country, is morally wrong!!.


What arrogance to think we should force our will on other countries! The delusional ones are those who think their governments have God-given rights, they do not!! The only rights they should have are what we, the voters grant them. The right to vote is not a given, it is a right to be earned/demanded, some countries by civil war, uprising and others by negotiation.


Oh and if we can drop food to other countries in need, do you not think our government should not do the same in our own country?? If Japan could recover from awesome flooding and care for their people, why couldn't we do the same.
 
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JamesBondo

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What the heck do you think we pay all that tax money for??

We don't need to disagree on this one. We pay all that tax money to fund the services that we have delegated to our government.

However, it is worth noting that just like many other things in life, like family responsibilities, and workplace responsibilities, it is important for you and I to remember that you can give away the work ( or hire it) but you can't give away the responsibility.

Have you ever heard the expression 'the thin blue line'? That is the minimum amount of police officers it takes to maintain the peace at an acceptable level during current day society. We paid taxes, some were spent on police officers, and now we have a finite resource that we can rely on.

But what about game changers? extreme weather, looters. rioters.a psychopath at your door. The police can not always protect you under every scenario. There will always be something that they can not do for you.

So what are you going to do? let me repeat this question...
So what are YOU going to do?

You have the opportunity to decide right here and now that you are not going to be a victim.

There are things that you can do to protect yourself. And, yes, ultimately YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN PROTECTION.

Does this mean that you have to over react and hire a construction crew to build your house into into a fortress? Barb wire on the fence? Machine gun turrets on the roof? Of course not. You wouldn't do this. And, I wouldn't do this either. We both agree that this would be over reacting.

So, if we both don't want to over react, and we both realize that the police can't always be counted on, all that is left for us to agree on is: What is reasonable? Is it reasonable to assume that 'it will never happen to me'? How much time are you willing to put into this? Are you willing to put 20 or more hours a week into self defense classes? Are you reasonably convinced that hand to hand self defense can address all situations? What about a baseball bat, or a cane, will this protect you as well as a police officer when the police are still minutes or hours away?

Here's an idea. Why don't you spend a day in a firearms safety course, and enough trips to the community gun range to maintain your safe handling skills and shooting skills. According to stats, citizens that do this have a lower error rate than police officers.
 

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LOL At this stage of life, I do not intend to arm myself, nor change my mindset from anticipation of each day to fearing what might happen. Besides, life happens and one cannot guard against all illness, accidents or even old age. This does not mean, one does not take reasonable precautions against such events. As far as robbers, extreme weather, and the mentally ill at the door ....been through them all. Respecting people and weather, goes a long way to keeping things peaceful and safe.


I have found that what one fears very often comes to visit.
 

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I have found that what one fears very often comes to visit.


My experience has been almost the exact opposite of yours. I've wasted many hours worrying about sh*t that very seldom happens only to have some completely unprepared for event hit you squarely between the eyes when least expected.
 

bluebyrd35

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Exactly, but it proves my point.........taking reasonable precautions is sensible, worrying/fearing about everything that might happen is not. Life is a learning experience. Worrying/fearing about what fate/God/or the universe has in store for us, is useless. Life happens and oft times the bad parts simply can not be avoided. It would be great if we could foretell and avoid all the unfortunate episodes that are a part of every life but we cannot.