Green/Clean Tech

[GreenFish66]

I like to believe that those who knowingly, willfully , pollute are a dwindling minority ...Because it is apparent , that they care little for anything, including themselves / are ignorant of everything, Including themselves..

Conscience Clean - Can't beat yourself up over it though .All anyone can do is their best.We all Make waste..Just some make way more than others..and ignorantly, don't give a S**t.

Those who make the mess , Should clean it up .
When they don't ...
It's good to know that there are some who will ...
Willingly , Unconditionally ..For the betterment of us all, and the next to come ....

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The numbers of the Awake and Aware are growing ...( positively speaking )

 

[In Between Man]

I like to believe that those who knowingly, willfully , pollute are a dwindling minority ...

I certainly hope so!

 

[petros]

I like to believe that those who knowingly, willfully , pollute are a dwindling minority ...

As we speak oil refining capacity in Nor Am is being doubled. For the time being you are going to have to hang on tight to that deminishing belief. Heavy consumption of oil is going to continue along like it has for the past 135 years.
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[darkbeaver]

Oil is god, around ninety per cent of human activity, as we know and love it today, depend directly on "rock oil" not the mythical squshed dynosaurs and trees known as fossil fuels. We should burn as much as we can get. I suppose we could refine it a little better. Green is soooo yesterday. It's been wrung dry people.

The present is not sustainable, never mind the future, the planet don't need your help, in fact it routinely exterminates millions of us at a time, good stewards and all.

 

[YukonJack]

The only thing one needs to know about green technology is that there is a virtually unlimited supply of coal.

Spend money on developing clean coal-burning rather than pie-in-the-sky nonsense, like windmills and solar panels.

 

[Tonington]

The only thing one needs to know about green technology is that there is a virtually unlimited supply of coal.

They said that about fish once upon a time. Now Newfoundland is relying on another commodity that some would say is virtually unlimited. Those people apparently take the short view, and don't remember their history very well.

 

[darkbeaver]

They said that about fish once upon a time. Now Newfoundland is relying on another commodity that some would say is virtually unlimited. Those people apparently take the short view, and don't remember their history very well.

The history is extinction events, the fish will return, someday, adapted to swim in industrial affluent. Why not let evolution do it's work. Human intervention may not be the best course of action.

 

[Tonington]

The history is extinction events, the fish will return, someday, adapted to swim in industrial affluent. Why not let evolution do it's work. Human intervention may not be the best course of action.

Are you serious? Human intervention is making them disappear in the first place...

 

[YukonJack]

They said that about fish once upon a time. Now Newfoundland is relying on another commodity that some would say is virtually unlimited. Those people apparently take the short view, and don't remember their history very well.

Scientific surveys confirmed the existence of virtually inexhaustible supply of coal. And natural gas.

BUT....

Nobody ever counted the fish. Nobody ever thought that the world would be insane enough to stop the seal hunt.

Those who think of the more than hundred year supply of coal and oil as a "short term" solution, should think about all the conveniences that were not there a hundred years ago.

 

[Tonington]

Scientific surveys confirmed the existence of virtually inexhaustible supply of coal. And natural gas.

BUT....

Nobody ever counted the fish. Nobody ever thought that the world would be insane enough to stop the seal hunt.

What do you mean nobody ever counted the fish? Of course they did. Not only that, but variations in age/size, and age at maturity preceded stock collapse. Anyone who knows anything about fishery management will tell you that a secular downward trend in the age at maturity is a sign of stock stress. It wasn't even uncommon for harvesting rates to exceed 60% of the mature stock in many of the populations, a factor of three higher than recommendations of even questionable calculations for sustainable harvest limits.

Those who think of the more than hundred year supply of coal and oil as a "short term" solution, should think about all the conveniences that were not there a hundred years ago.

It's not a solution to use a supply that is peaking, and it's definitely not a solution to use a supply that kills ocean life. More to the point, we have technology today that wasn't available when our energy infrastructure was being created. For instance, smart grids. Smart grids are green, and inherently more stable than the patchwork we have in North America.

 

[GreenFish66]

Turtle, bird in crosshairs of 'green' project | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun - Sounds like a Green On Green Smear Washing Article(/Campaign) to me....

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Let's compare Wind/Solar to say ...Oil/Coal?....Tar Sands...?

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The Wind Power site hasn't been approved yet..So there's still time to Move it..To An Area Outside the Endangered, Habitat Preservation , Rehabilatation and Improvement , Project Site/Location....

 

[damngrumpy]

Today's smart business people have already hijacked the environmental cause.
Using the term Green in their world is to repeat the famous quote by the old ring
master, PT Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute" Today more than
ever it proving to be true. All this new manufactured product lines have a green
label and a green price to match it. Business doesn't give a hoot about the
environment, they care about repackaging every product in the world into a green
package so they can make money, end of story.
I for one am all for supporting the environment but not at the expense of being out
right fleeced by corporate snake oil salesman. Sorry I don't buy into changing our
today to suit the world of tomorrow with green grass roofs and all the rest. I
support proper insulation and even the thermal heating systems buried in the
ground. There is simply no way alternative energy is going to replace electrical
energy from damn or nuclear power.
All this overly green enthusiasm is fine but it will take a hundred years to reach
the era of economic viability.

 

[GreenFish66]

Things labeled as "Green" ...Should be, Environmentally Friendly, as Labeled.
( Environmentally Minded, in the least)...

The Rest, Should be CleanTech ...

 

[damngrumpy]

God I love idealism even if there is not a hope in hell of it achieving its goals.
Somewhere on here I read get ready for mass produced local food, now that
is funny. Most of the local food folks that I have spoken to also want it to be
organic. Let me explain the some of the problems. Organic supply has its
place I agree with that, but it can't produce enough to feed local or the world.

People have no idea how complex the food industrial system is from farmer
grown to the supper table, and the idealists would be in for one huge shock
when the whole thing collapses around them and millions of angry people
waiting for dinner are not going to be too forgiving, especially when the new
sympathetic governments assist them in dismantling the present system.
I have have been involved in the food industry for a long time and part of the
politics of farming as well. I agree we need to have local farming practices
and we need to educate people on nutrition. We need organics but we can't
really trust the organic industry either these days. It is not about organic food
or even trusted healthy food. Organics today is all about paperwork and its
an honour based system. It need to be cleaned up. If you want some interesting
reading try a book called Is it Organic by Mischa Poppoff a former organic
inspector.
As for energy, I agree we have to look for new and better ways to sustain our
energy needs and we should look for clean alternatives to augment the present
system. But to suggest we are going to transform society anytime soon is not
bloody likely, we won't see the idealist changes even in our lifetime.
People who have the fancy dreams of just changing everything lose credibility
for their goals and for the environmental movement in general.
Green and clean tech, needs to be economical viable and at present that isn't
even close.

 

[GreenFish66]

Thanks to The Green Revolution ...We feed The Populations...

Sorry to say it , Damned Grumpy ,but, You seem to have Been Disillusioned Into a Permanent state of DamnedGrumpyiness...Got DamnedGrumpyitis..

- Look Around ..Everywhere..Here, There ..By Every, has, was, been , Over There, ...Still Is ...and Always Shall be ....

Green/Clean Tech ....
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(And Big Papa G..( Big Papa G always 1st,#1 though, of course.All Bless, God Bless.))

 

[damngrumpy]

Greenfish 66 I am not dissolution at all I am a realist. while I am pleased that
people are starting to pay attention to the environment, I understand that the
people are treading water always waiting for the next big thing. In farming the
BC Fruit Growers Association is working on the concept of an ALPP for the
interior when it comes to tree fruits. It is a system of integrated pest management
that will see less pesticides used in order to reduce populations of pests etc.
Its called the Area of Low Pest Prevalence. It uses all kinds of technology including
the SIR program. What is that you ask? It is a program paid for by municipalities
and the farm community that uses Sterile Insect Technology and other environmental
methods to control codling moth. It is reducing the need for sprays and eventually will
eliminate the need to spray for that particular pest. We are also looking to expand
the program to move toward reduction of harmful sprays. In addition more and more
target sprays are being used. This is where you might kill the rosy aphid but it won't
kill ladybugs and other beneficial. I am a voting member of the SIR Board one of three
farmer members.
I have also been the pest management chairman for the organization in the past.
I know all about green and the approach being used. Unfortunately the present lords
of industry don't give a damn about the environment it is little more than public relations
for them to increase their market share, and consumers have to be aware so they are
not hoodwinked.
I think the idea that change is going to come soon and will come in like a revolution has
the opposite effect from enthusiasm. People are frightened by change coming too fast
and some are afraid of change period. It is far better to slow it down a bit and ensure
every change has a chance to root and grow within the societies idea of progress,
I am not against you I think you have to temper enthusiasm with reality and progress.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The only thing one needs to know about green technology is that there is a virtually unlimited supply of coal.

Spend money on developing clean coal-burning rather than pie-in-the-sky nonsense, like windmills and solar panels.

That might be true, but what we don't have is an unlimited supply of clean air.

 

[GreenFish66]

Green/CleanTech was then/ Is more so now/ Will only Grow, in the future.


Realism is what we Human Creationists Observe/Make of it..

The Time for Green/Clean Tech was then, is more so now.

Dirty Grey Smoke and Smog, Forced True Positive Change and Progress to grow in the shadows, sprout in the shade, under soot and greasy slime...
Yet True, Positive Change/New Energy, Does not/Will never, burn out, fade away, die out, like dirty Ol' Negative Energy will..

Green/Clean Tech will Only Grow stronger. Expand, Thrive..Succeed...

For The Guiding light is Green , the Future is Clear..
Change is inevitable..
(Although You don't have to change, until you have to..)
Better to be prepared..Then caught off guard..

Green/Clean Tech, was then, is Now ...It is the only way of ensuring a Sustainable/Prosperous Future for all .
Things are changing for the better.(I believe)

Despite the Choking, Burning, Blinding, Grey Clouds of Negativity ..

Peace..

 

[GreenFish66]

Clinton, executive ties raised in pipeline plan - US news - Environment - msnbc.com

I think it's time the Obama administration takes a stroll in some GREENER pastures for a change.. ..Promote some Green/Clean Tech...Something/Anything positive for the Environment we ALL inhabit..His record on the Green/Clean Tech Front has been dismal, to say the least, as far as I can see.( Smog and grime in my eyes)..Times are changing Pres.O....Time to get with the times...If The US People wanted a Republican Prez, they would have voted in a Republican ...

There is no Bright Future, no light at the end of the Pipeline, for Canada/US/ American's In ol' Dirty Oil ...

Green/Clean Tech is Now ...Is the Only Sustainable/Prosperous future...

 

[GreenFish66]

Get your Green Grown " Hot Potatoes " Here !

Hillary Clinton says Keystone XL review fair - *News - MSN CA - " Keystone XL has become a political hot potato for the State Department "


...Dodging Green Hot Potatoes leaves some hot under the collar , gasping for air , while others sit to take a breather on the hot seat ...As XL Oil pipeline heats things up ..A lot of Green House gases spewing from the mouths of Republican's( Republican Politicians/Fat Cats) nowadays..

.Just say No to XL PipeLine...There is no Sustainable/Prosperous Future in Ol' Dirty Oil ...( except perhaps 4 a very wealthy, quickly aging , few )