Goldstone report on Cast Lead - Repudiated - By Goldstone - If I had of known then???

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My reference was an aquaintance from work who was planning to retire and mess around in his shop, really nice one. The he started cutting off fingertips without knowing it right off the bat. He is now planning to sit on a beach a long ways south of here, at least he could go with the flow.
 

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Many people travel thru life with the attitude of working so hard to provide, they miss the reality of what they have. Their family. Their friends -
As to the UN - we both realize it is dysfunctional - places are assigned by region, by clout, economic etc - aid given as China now does - But there is some value in the UN.

But the UN HRC is rotted to the core and 100 % Anti Semitic- it is a body that is run by Arabs, Dictators, China and other assorted groups that commit atrocities against their own people. It is not based upon merit, but tribalism. And yes we on this planet still practice tribalism.

I think that you could agree with these points.
The usury laws from the OT are a better way to run banks today than what we have (Gentiles would have to be made equals in order for it to work) I'm sure you would not agree to that point. For your listed points a proper answer would have you thinking I am trying to talk your ear off. It is not just Arabs who signed on to the UN. Exposing the wrongs is the first step is stopping the wrongs from continuing. For us that would mean having some plans to deal with Reservations if a secret vote by all members of the First Nations voted for changes upto and including disbandment of some current restrictions. If you are part of the First Nations you get a cheque no matter where you live. Immigrants qualify as a First Nation member after 3 generations or one war where they wore a Canadian uniform. At least they belong to it, we opt out in support of Israel,WTF it isn't a team event.

LOL are those fart-bubbles? Little scary when there are eyes but no blinking. And quit trying to look up my fins.
 

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The pond your herring was found in, posts/threads with you, that is your pond. You might even be a slough-shark. (no disrespect to the sharks intended)
I suggest you take your own advice, and stop mixing your meds.
 

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I can only go by what you say here beave. You've poked Christians enough and stated your belief that God is a fraud enough, that only someone as daft as yourself or Mhz could possibly deny it.

Is that why you're quiet these days? Busy?

Spring Mr Hybernator, sea trout, foxes, chickens, red tails, eating the sunshine god. I'm busy.

Mr Goldstone should have many songs written in sympathy.
 

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The survivors of the attack Goldstone claims he now believes was accidental respond to Goldstone's recent statement:
Samouni family members respond to Goldstone, say attack was not accidental

Basically the IDF's own investigation, cleared themselves of wrong doing in this case where the IDF herded about 50 men, women and children into a house and then dropped a series of bombs on it. Goldstone now claims he believes the Israeli version of this incident that it was just a mistake resulting from incompetence and not deliberate attempt to kill civilians.

OK, if this incident was an accident, then why didn't the IDF evacuate the wounded themselves. If I blew up a house with 50 people in it by accident, I'd probably feel responsible and try to limit the number of dead. Instead the IDF blocked ambulances and rescue workers from evacuating the wounded, dying and dead for 4 days? Was that an accident too?

Does this incident sound like an accident?

Gaza: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians

08-01-2009 News Release 09/04

Geneva/Jerusalem/Tel Aviv (ICRC) - On the afternoon of 7 January, four Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) ambulances and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) managed to obtain access for the first time to several houses in the Zaytun neighbourhood of Gaza City that had been affected by Israeli shelling.
The ICRC had requested safe passage for ambulances to access this neighbourhood since 3 January but it only received permission to do so from the Israel Defense Forces during the afternoon of 7 January.
The ICRC/PRCS team found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses.
In another house, the ICRC/PRCS rescue team found 15 other survivors of this attack including several wounded. In yet another house, they found an additional three corpses. Israeli soldiers posted at a military position some 80 meters away from this house ordered the rescue team to leave the area which they refused to do. There were several other positions of the Israel Defense Forces nearby as well as two tanks.
" This is a shocking incident, " said Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation for Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. " The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded. "
Gaza: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians
 

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Mr Goldstone should have many songs written in sympathy.

Goldstone weepeth sore in the night,
and Goldstone's tears are on Goldstone's cheeks:
among all Goldstone's lovers Goldstone hath none to comfort Goldstone :
all Goldstone's friends have dealt treacherously with Goldstone ,
they are become Goldstone's enemies.
 

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The survivors of the attack Goldstone claims he now believes was accidental respond to Goldstone's recent statement:
Samouni family members respond to Goldstone, say attack was not accidental

Basically the IDF's own investigation, cleared themselves of wrong doing in this case where the IDF herded about 50 men, women and children into a house and then dropped a series of bombs on it. Goldstone now claims he believes the Israeli version of this incident that it was just a mistake resulting from incompetence and not deliberate attempt to kill civilians.

OK, if this incident was an accident, then why didn't the IDF evacuate the wounded themselves. If I blew up a house with 50 people in it by accident, I'd probably feel responsible and try to limit the number of dead. Instead the IDF blocked ambulances and rescue workers from evacuating the wounded, dying and dead for 4 days? Was that an accident too?

Does this incident sound like an accident?

Gaza: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians

08-01-2009 News Release 09/04


Gaza: ICRC demands urgent access to wounded as Israeli army fails to assist wounded Palestinians

EAO - Now you know why i changed my signature - heard the saying the other day - probably 35-40 years since i had last heard it.

Regarding Justice Goldstone -

1 - First he was the Sainted one upon which you and others with the Holy Writ of Goldstone reports tried to slay the inhumane Jewish State of Zion.

2 - Now that he has had access t other information, he goes from the Anointed to the devil himself.

3 - No one has the balls to answer why Israel does not trust the UN Human Rights Commission - Why they only removed Libya well after he was killing a lot of his fellow Arabs. So explain to me why Israel does not have any trust in the UN HRC. Why oh Why from such a reputable body, members who adhere to the basics Rights of man. Why would Israel be so scared of such an honorable body of men & women. Tell me.

4 - You used Goldstones reports to spew this and that about Operation Cast Lead - others brought up opposing views - But you slew them with Bolts of Law and supposed facts from the Anointed Scribe & World Renowned Scholar Goldstone.

5 - Now Goldstone has new information and as such has arrived at a differing conclusion - So now he is a liar -

6 - If some one agrees with you - They are telling the truth -

7- If someone differs with you they are then liars and scum suckers.

7 - Your circle of friends based upon 6 & 7 only, well looking in the mirror and stating - I see I have a friend - well that does not count - Sorry. Like a Fairy Tale, the Mirror lies.

Pathetic, really pathetic.

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Hey Goober. Your post is a simplistic piece of crap. In my defense to your unwarranted personal attack, I'll quote myself:

I respect Justice Goldstone. IMO, he has demonstrated the highest level integrity and honesty during his career which includes his days as a justice in South Africa dismantling Apartheid and later during the war crimes investigations in Yugoslavia. Some people here have recently become fans of Justice Goldstone, because they believe he has retracted his report and absolved Israel of all war crimes and crimes against humanity. The fact is, Goldstone has not done any of these things.


Judge Richard Goldstone admits parts of the report were flawed because of a lack of Israeli cooperation. He more or less said the same thing when he released the report.


Most of the report remains valid and much of the reaction to his oped ignores the substance of both the Goldstone Report (officially, the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict)and Goldstone's reappraisal. The latter certainly raises questions about the accuracy of parts of the report.
But it does not go nearly as far as many Israeli supporters claim that Goldstone "retracted his allegations that Israel had committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during Operation Cast Lead." Human rights groups call that an overly generous reading of Goldstone's essay, and say that many of the report's central allegations still stand.

I suggest to many of Justice Goldstone's new found supporters that they read both his oped and his report. Hopefully they will get their own opinion based directly on Goldstone's words and not given an opinion based on what others say Goldstone said:

Oped
Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes - The Washington Post

Report
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
Not only are you wrong about me. You are also wrong about Goldstone.

Follow the links...
 

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Anything more with the subject of the thread or are we done with it?

Hey Goober. Your post is a simplistic piece of crap. In my defense to your unwarranted personal attack, I'll quote myself: Follow the links...

Hey EAO, I have asked you nicely a couple times now, why the Muslim tradition of protecting guests is good by you. While you seem to have a problem with the Jewish tradition of blood libel.

I've asked politely.

I'm starting to think you can't answer it honestly.
 

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Hey Goober. Your post is a simplistic piece of crap. In my defense to your unwarranted personal attack, I'll quote myself:


Not only are you wrong about me. You are also wrong about Goldstone.

Follow the links...
No, I am a fairly good judge of Moral Character. That comes from growing up with knowing a couple of murderers, other that in countries far away committed crimes against humanity - meeting them - chatting with them over many drinks -

You are severely lacking - my post was not simplistic. Even the insults were creative. How about answering why Israel has such a hard time with the UN Human right Commission - Or do you support them, the entire commission as well?

Dig deep - come on down with a decent rebuttal. Na to hard a question for you. Like Moral character - You have none.
 

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How about the moral fiber of Yishai? (in that he started the rumor, what if rockets had been launched and some Israeli had been hurt or killed?) Did he lie to his bosses?
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The South African judge said Yishai had called to thank him for his Washington Post op-ed piece and had never discussed the report.

The Israeli interior minister confirmed telling Goldstone to review the key findings of his report and to officially retract it. Yishai, however, did not disclose whether Goldstone had agreed to do so.

PressTV - Goldstone refutes UN report retraction
 

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How about the moral fiber of Yishai? (in that he started the rumor, what if rockets had been launched and some Israeli had been hurt or killed?) Did he lie to his bosses?
(in part)
The South African judge said Yishai had called to thank him for his Washington Post op-ed piece and had never discussed the report.

The Israeli interior minister confirmed telling Goldstone to review the key findings of his report and to officially retract it. Yishai, however, did not disclose whether Goldstone had agreed to do so.

PressTV - Goldstone refutes UN report retraction
Leave Yoshi out of this...

 

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No, I am a fairly good judge of Moral Character. That comes from growing up with knowing a couple of murderers, other that in countries far away committed crimes against humanity - meeting them - chatting with them over many drinks -

You are severely lacking - my post was not simplistic. Even the insults were creative. How about answering why Israel has such a hard time with the UN Human right Commission - Or do you support them, the entire commission as well?

Dig deep - come on down with a decent rebuttal. Na to hard a question for you. Like Moral character - You have none.
EAO - Still a waitin ya know. I promise not to feed you to Bear.
 

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I'd prefer not respond to taunts and insults. I try to maintain a certain level of behavior which doesn't including making stuff up about other forum users. You should try it.
...Regarding Justice Goldstone -

1 - First he was the Sainted one upon which you and others with the Holy Writ of Goldstone reports tried to slay the inhumane Jewish State of Zion.

2 - Now that he has had access t other information, he goes from the Anointed to the devil himself.

when did that happen?

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5 - Now Goldstone has new information and as such has arrived at a differing conclusion - So now he is a liar -

when did I say that?

6 - If some one agrees with you - They are telling the truth -

7- If someone differs with you they are then liars and scum suckers.

when did I call someone a scum sucker?

7 - Your circle of friends based upon 6 & 7 only, well looking in the mirror and stating - I see I have a friend - well that does not count - Sorry. Like a Fairy Tale, the Mirror lies.

Pathetic, really pathetic.

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