lol Quoting a book that humans wrote is evidence of what?
Are you denying the truth of that statement.
God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
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Are you denying the truth of that statement.
Guilty. You did it, you pay. The dude's DNA isn't an excuse because unless he's been under a rock his/her entire life his/her DNA has been going through evolutions that allow it to control him/her.And it does happen that brains malfunction because the normal electrocheistry is off balance and genomes can only act accordingly. We simply react to our environments and DNA is how we are able to do that. There's no mysticism or magic or free will involved. We react the way our DNA says to.
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LET THERE BE LIGHT --
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.
You will find the people who believe in God are the ones who try to follow God's laws which are good. The ones who do not believe in God, the atheists, they consign them to the bin as we can see from the remarks in this thread.
That pretty much rules out free will. So does having a determination in place that 1/3 of the world will survive the 5th and 6th trumps and the 2/3 that happen to be there will died because the ration sets a limit on how many can repent. The Ark was build for 8 people an critters, Noah could have preached the whole 100 years and it would still have been 8 people only on the Ark. Free will is certainly what rules the day the verses below are from, but God also makes one side very appealing and the other side very unappealing so it is anything but fair and balanced but it does assure that one side will get 100% of the 'votes'.
Re:21:3-8:
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men,
and he will dwell with them,
and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them,
and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow,
nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold,
I make all things new.
And he said unto me,
Write: for these words are true and faithful.
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and *****mongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.
Some prophecies will really suck if they affect you, that doesn't mean there is any hope of them not being fulfilled.
Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.
This particular myth is recondite and complex to a degree. It is all the more difficult perhaps, because the effort is usually made to read it in the single form in which it is found in the Christian Bible, where it is condensed from earlier Babylonian epics, such as the Gilgamesh story, the Berosan Akkadian version, and the Bundahish and Zend-Avesta accounts. It needs a comparative study of the Bible narrative along side of these other sources to gain inklings of meaning not indicated in the abbreviated story in Genesis. Supplementary detail in the others supplies interpretation not to be seen in Bible chapters. In promulgating the thesis that the Bible of all books alone contained Truth, Christian exegesis so far over-reached itself that it cut itself off from the help to be found in pagan literature. With the aid of parallel versions drawn from Greece, Egypt, Chaldea and Babylonia, authoritative determinations can be made which must fall with unbounded astonishment upon minds obsessed from childhood with ideas little short of chimerical and nonsensical in their purport. It can in truth
be said that not an item of the commonly accepted rendering of the story bears the remotest resemblance to its true meaning. It is not in any sense a geological or biological treatise. For the drastic re-interpretations to be presented there must be adduced as ample a body of evidence as space will permit.New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.
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Steward will do for me. What doesn't make sense are the actions of humankind when we destroy the environment instead of looking after it. This is what happens when we disobey God.
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Satan is pure invention.
And the divine spark of cosmic Intelligence in man is that "sun" that the Framer cast into the midst of the earlier six non-sentient forces, to be their King and Lord. All lower orders of life were put under man’s dominion, because he was the only creature who incorporated Mind, the power to know, in the summit of the physical evolution. There could be no Lord (law-giver) or king of creation unless mind was his possession. A mindless creature could not rule. And the very word "man" is Sanskrit for "mind".
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.
And the divine spark of cosmic Intelligence in man is that "sun" that the Framer cast into the midst of the earlier six non-sentient forces, to be their King and Lord. All lower orders of life were put under man’s dominion, because he was the only creature who incorporated Mind, the power to know, in the summit of the physical evolution. There could be no Lord (law-giver) or king of creation unless mind was his possession. A mindless creature could not rule. And the very word "man" is Sanskrit for "mind".
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.
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I asked one question. Do we or do we not have dominion over the plants and animals on the earth?
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Not judging by what I see in the world.
If you follow that thought, according to the Bible, what made humans possible in the first place? What allowed humans to screw up? Blame humans for the imperfections that are built into them?
It's irrational. So like I said, much more sensible to consider a universe without human characteristics as an indifferent creator.
You didn't specify what statement you were referring to.
Anyway, I did answer that question. At times we do have that dominion. Other times, not.
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Then you've never met a real thinking atheist.
The garden didn't put them on the dinner menu like they are now
Ac:10:12:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth,
and wild beasts,
and creeping things,
and fowls of the air.
Gee, ... I wonder who that could be?? lol
New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No 7.
It may come as a tremendous shock to the faith of the uninstructed Christian to learn that the word translated "God" in the opening verse is not "God" at all, in the sense in which this supreme Deity is characterized in all Christianity. He is not the Absolute, the Infinite, the Supreme, the One God of a monotheistic religion. On the contrary he is a deity far down the line of lesser gods in the hierarchy; a mere archangel. There is no intent to belittle him, but only to place him in his true rank and office in the creation drama.
The material supporting this assertion will prove highly surprising. The word in the original Hebrew texts of verse one is "Elohim". Any scholar knows that "-im" is a plural ending in Hebrew. Yet the committee translated it in the singular - "God". However, the fact that they knew the word was plural is attested by their translation of its possessive pronoun form in verse 26 in the plural, where "God" said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.
But grammar brings out another fact that is more startling still. Not only is the word plural, not singular; it proves, in the analysis, to be feminine, not masculine! The creative Lord, then, was feminine and plural. It is none other than the Elohim, of whom they were seven
in every ancient religion, and they are collectively a feminine potentiality. They are the physical Mother energies of Nature, not the spiritual Father agencies. They represent, shall we say, the material womb of life, not the enforming Mind.
The establishing of the seven creative powers as feminine does not stop with grammar; it is significant beyond all measure for the entire interpretation of the myth. The whole meaning turns on this point. A number of items in the story become for the first time clearly intelligible in its light. Without its help certain aspects of the account stand violently at sixes and sevens with each other.
Who are the Elohim? They are the physical energies of nature, inherent in matter, and are employed by spiritual Gods to build universes. They are called in all books the Seven Primary Powers, the Seven Elementary Forces, the Seven Gods of Nature. Often they are known as just "The Seven". A wide variety of names has been given them among the nations. The Seven Gods (gods); Elohim; Demiurgoi; Logoi; Rishis; Prajapati; Kabiri; Archangels; Spirits of the Presence; Angles before the Throne; Cosmocratores; Titans; Uranidae; Kronidae; Companions of Horus; Companions of Arthur; Rulers; Archons; Pitris; Amshaspends; Auxiliaries of Kronus; Sons of Sydik; Sons of Ptah; Sons of Ra; Lumazi; Children of Inertness; Rebels; Devils; Cyclops; Serpents; Sons of the Mother; and many more. (To each the number seven is generally prefixed.) They are the seven energies animating physical Nature, servants of higher Intelligences.
It may come as a tremendous shock to the faith of the uninstructed Christian to learn that the word translated "God" in the opening verse is not "God" at all, in the sense in which this supreme Deity is characterized in all Christianity. He is not the Absolute, the Infinite, the Supreme, the One God of a monotheistic religion. On the contrary he is a deity far down the line of lesser gods in the hierarchy; a mere archangel. There is no intent to belittle him, but only to place him in his true rank and office in the creation drama.
The material supporting this assertion will prove highly surprising. The word in the original Hebrew texts of verse one is "Elohim". Any scholar knows that "-im" is a plural ending in Hebrew. Yet the committee translated it in the singular - "God". However, the fact that they knew the word was plural is attested by their translation of its possessive pronoun form in verse 26 in the plural, where "God" said, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.
But grammar brings out another fact that is more startling still. Not only is the word plural, not singular; it proves, in the analysis, to be feminine, not masculine! The creative Lord, then, was feminine and plural. It is none other than the Elohim, of whom they were seven
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The establishing of the seven creative powers as feminine does not stop with grammar; it is significant beyond all measure for the entire interpretation of the myth. The whole meaning turns on this point. A number of items in the story become for the first time clearly intelligible in its light. Without its help certain aspects of the account stand violently at sixes and sevens with each other.
Who are the Elohim? They are the physical energies of nature, inherent in matter, and are employed by spiritual Gods to build universes. They are called in all books the Seven Primary Powers, the Seven Elementary Forces, the Seven Gods of Nature. Often they are known as just "The Seven". A wide variety of names has been given them among the nations. The Seven Gods (gods); Elohim; Demiurgoi; Logoi; Rishis; Prajapati; Kabiri; Archangels; Spirits of the Presence; Angles before the Throne; Cosmocratores; Titans; Uranidae; Kronidae; Companions of Horus; Companions of Arthur; Rulers; Archons; Pitris; Amshaspends; Auxiliaries of Kronus; Sons of Sydik; Sons of Ptah; Sons of Ra; Lumazi; Children of Inertness; Rebels; Devils; Cyclops; Serpents; Sons of the Mother; and many more. (To each the number seven is generally prefixed.) They are the seven energies animating physical Nature, servants of higher Intelligences.
Prove its only the first. If you can't, then that's just your opinion.
Yeah, between the early homonid and the sabertooth, I'd suggest the sabertooth would have the dominion. Humans still only have a limited dominion over other forms of life on the planet.
Anyway, back to the topic; people have been coming up with rules since we evolved. And that's long before any critter wrote a bible and said it was the word of some god or other.
In the beginning was the word: "Why?" It was uttered by the first self aware man. Finding no answers, he invented gods to explain the unexplainable. Then came a man who decided that, to simplify matters, there only needed to be one god. But even this became unsatisfactory for thinking man so he invented science, but science can only explain how, because why is irrelevant. Life just is. It really doesn't need an explanation. Life is an experience but people get lost in the questions and forget to actually live.