Giving Detention for Bad Grades

[Goober]

Depends on what you consider a pass Would you want a programmer or secretary who only spelled 60% of his words correctly? Would you want a mechanic or doctor who carried out his profession properly only 60% of the time? Different teachers set different standards. I know of one university prof who gave every paper a zero if it contained a single spelling error. That seems rather extreme to me, but demanding a higher standard than 60% for a spelling test does not seem too demanding.

The real question should be why parents and society in general demand that all students be graded. Education is supposed to be about learning; not what sort of mark you can get. When I was teaching one question I came to detest was "Is this for marks?" Because if it wasn't the student asking the question had no intention of paying the least attention to what was being taught.

Not everyone learns at the same pace - some have troubles with Math, Spelling, Grammar - They then need extra help - That could be as simple as extra work assignments to asking the parent to also assist.

Punishment for 12 out of 20 is not a good technique for improving a persons ability to learn. It is all negative.

Not a good teacher or teaching technique for learning.

I don't know how it all works either Curio. They all seem terrified of 'bad grades', yet teachers can get away with a horrid amount of abuse of students without getting fired. One teacher at my kids' school screams her classes into tears on a regular basis, and has even lost it to the point of kicking students, without getting fired. So I find myself baffled by what does and doesn't matter in the minds of the teachers and school boards.

Thne that teacher should be reported to the Police as that is assault - Criminal Code - Let them get to the bottom of it.

If my daughter had a teacher that was constantly screaming at her or the class - I am sure I would go off the deep end on that teacher & principal.

 

[Ariadne]

Ya know, to further dissect this, I don't think we entirely disagree, but we do disagree about the method.... if my kid were missing recess so that the teacher would pay her attention and figure out how she DOES learn to spell, rather than carry on with the same tactic that didn't work before, I'd be thrilled. But, making them sit through recess alone to repeat what they've done all week without it working, is just yet another 'ignore'. It's not helping her grasp the material, it's not figuring out where her trouble is stemming from. If she really goes through a year of being put in detention every week for being bad at spelling (which she won't, of course, because I'm involved but other kids very well might), does that really improve the quality of her education, rather than the teacher actually doing some work?

At this point ... I'm curious ... is the teacher new or old? A new teacher should be trying to identify individual learner needs, and to then present the information in the way that best suits the learner. An old teacher may just be going through some punitive routine she adopted 20 years ago.

 

[Goober]

At this point ... I'm curious ... is the teacher new or old? A new teacher should be trying to identify individual learner needs, and to then present the information in the way that best suits the learner. An old teacher may just be going through some punitive routine she adopted 20 years ago.

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You points are not relevant - It is not a positive teaching technique - If she is an old bat then the school should have addressed this years ago - But then again as we know a that teacher kicks students - That tells me all I need to know about the culture within that school -

It is focused on demeaning and abusive behavior - And it should not be tolerated.

Looking of excuses when the whole faculty should be read the riot act and all that knew of a physically abusive teacher should be at the minimum placed on job probation.

If they can ignore assault - what else have they ignored.

I can tell you if a teacher had ever laid a hand or foot on my daughter I would beat the living piss out of him.

Then we could both be charged with assault.

What is about the points brought forward by Karrie that make people look for excuses. Shameful.

 

[TenPenny]

If people were punished for getting 12 out of 20 right, there would be no professional sports. After all, a star baseball player only has to hit 30% at bat.

 

[Bcool]

I don't know how it all works either Curio. They all seem terrified of 'bad grades', yet teachers can get away with a horrid amount of abuse of students without getting fired. One teacher at my kids' school screams her classes into tears on a regular basis, and has even lost it to the point of kicking students, without getting fired. So I find myself baffled by what does and doesn't matter in the minds of the teachers and school boards.

I checked, Alberta separate schools come under the Alberta School Act for quite a few things, might be worth looking at re discipline & staffing? Alberta Queen's Printer: Legislation

Would your priest have some influence with the Board on your daughter's behalf if it becomes a really stressful problem?

A teacher kicking a student? That's not only a firing offence under The School Act if its a certified teacher, public or separate, its also assault of a minor and should be reported. Actually it's been against the law for some years to know of assault against a minor and NOT report it. Goober's right, the whole school & Board should be held liable and it does indeed reflect badly on the nature of how this school & staff are being 'managed'. And, yes, quite honestly, if she were my daughter in a school run like that she wouldn't be there anymore within seconds of my learning about what was going on. Nothing to do with separate or public, they're our children!

I notice Alberta still allows the old system of separate schools being permitted to hire uncertified/untrained 'teachers' under the condition they are 'supervised' (doesn't mean the certified have to be with them, advisory & on-call actually) by a certified teacher. You may well be running into that problem with your daughter's teacher, Karrie. And that screamer & kicker definitely sounds extremely unprofessional. Yikes!

gerryh said: I'm surprised. Genuinely surprised. The problems you're describing sound more like what we have experienced in the public system rather than the Catholic. The teacher that kicked the child should have been reported to Child services along with the administration. Your daughters teacher needs a good talking to and maybe a refresher course in teaching techniques. A DT for a low mark on a spelling test is over the top. IMNSHO

Not getting into the religious separate schools vs public debate here: The Public School Act here in B.C. nor Alberta does not permit such behaviour by a teacher/staff member, qualified or unqualified, in either types of schools. Where and in which public school system did you find that such behaviour was permitted? And a little more tact would be pleasant, there are public school teachers on this forum & my husband was a super public school teacher and principal - his many now very adult former students still greet him with hugs & big smiles whenever we encounter them, many thank him for getting them through a tough class or for staying in school when they wanted to quit. Along with all the good types, there are always a few problems and bad apples in any system no matter what the format, I'm sure you'd be willing to agree? And I definitely agree with the rest of your post IMNSHO.

 

[gerryh]

I checked, Alberta separate schools come under the Alberta School Act for quite a few things, might be worth looking at re discipline & staffing? Alberta Queen's Printer: Legislation

Would your priest have some influence with the Board on your daughter's behalf if it becomes a really stressful problem?

A teacher kicking a student? That's not only a firing offence under The School Act if its a certified teacher, public or separate, its also assault of a minor and should be reported.

I notice Alberta still allows the old system of separate schools being permitted to hire uncertified/untrained 'teachers' under the condition they are 'supervised' (doesn't mean the certified have to be with them, advisory & on-call actually) by a certified teacher. You may well be running into that problem with your daughter's teacher, Karrie. And that screamer & kicker definitely sounds extremely unprofessional. Yikes!

Not getting into the religious separate schools vs public debate here: The Public School Act here in B.C. nor Alberta does not permit such behaviour by a teacher/staff member, qualified or unqualified, in either types of schools. Where and in which public school system did you find that such behaviour was permitted? And a little more tact would be pleasant, there are public school teachers on this forum & my husband was a super public school teacher and principal - his many now very adult former students still greet him with hugs & big smiles whenever we encounter them, many thank him for getting them through a tough class or for staying in school when they wanted to quit. Along with all the good types, there are always a few problems and bad apples in any system no matter what the format, I'm sure you'd be willing to agree? And I definitely agree with the rest of your post IMNSHO.

7 kids with 5 of them in the public school system of BC...... you REALLY don't wanna get into that with me...at all.

 

[Goober]

If people were punished for getting 12 out of 20 right, there would be no professional sports. After all, a star baseball player only has to hit 30% at bat.

And if they get 10 % they would be hockey players.

 

[karrie]

At this point ... I'm curious ... is the teacher new or old? A new teacher should be trying to identify individual learner needs, and to then present the information in the way that best suits the learner. An old teacher may just be going through some punitive routine she adopted 20 years ago.

she's a new teacher.

 

[Goober]

7 kids with 5 of them in the public school system of BC...... you REALLY don't wanna get into that with me...at all.

Lay out what you feel on this. Good to hear from a different opinion. What threads are about.

she's a new teacher.

Then she needs some professional advice on reinforcing good and bad behavior - How teaching techniques can at time reinforce poor or rebellious attitudes and behavior as well.

She should have learned this already before certification - That is a key question. Why did she not. Could be a dumb one that thinks they have all the answers to how to control / motivate children. Then she is definitely dumb and stupid combined.

 

[karrie]

I'm surprised. Genuinely surprised. The problems you're describing sound more like what we have experienced in the public system rather than the Catholic. The teacher that kicked the child should have been reported to Child services along with the administration. Your daughters teacher needs a good talking to and maybe a refresher course in teaching techniques. A DT for a low mark on a spelling test is over the top. IMNSHO

The only problem my kids suffered in public school was the dumbing down of classes to kids who should have been dropped a grade. That's not to say something wouldn't have come up eventually.

 

[Bcool]

7 kids with 5 of them in the public school system of BC...... you REALLY don't wanna get into that with me...at all.

:::sigh::: No I don't! A dead waste of my good time

you're a total anachronism in ear plugs: "

I don't need anger management - I need people to stop p*ssing me

off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " says how pointless it is to even bother trying.

 

[gerryh]

:::sigh::: No I don't! A dead waste of my good time

you're a total anachronism in ear plugs: "

I don't need anger management - I need people to stop p*ssing me

off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " says how pointless it is to even bother trying.

and yet you give me a thumbs down for warning you off rather than going off. Yup, yer a smart one all right.

Lay out what you feel on this. Good to hear from a different opinion. What threads are about.

No you don't Goob, because my opinion of a good many teachers in the public system in BC is far from flattering. From idiot newbies unwilling to accept advice or help to ones that were only interested in teaching the easy ones and the hell with the rest. A complete waste of my tax money and an equal waste of skin.

 

[Bcool]

and yet you give me a thumbs down for warning you off rather than going off. Yup, yer a smart one all right.

I am a smart one. You're the one who expected a thumbs up for trying to pick a fight! lol

Sorry Karrie! I tried to avoid letting this go off topic into exactly this

same old, same old....

 

[karrie]

I am a smart one. You're the one who expected a thumbs up for trying to pick a fight! lol

Sorry Karrie! I tried to avoid letting this go off topic into exactly this

same old, same old....

Reading it through, gerry kept it to 'public schools', you turned it to how you'd like gerry to talk, so, don't tell me you tried to avoid anything.

But yes, I'd appreciate if gerry would drop your obvious bait and everyone would get back on topic.

 

[gerryh]

I am a smart one. You're the one who expected a thumbs up for trying to pick a fight! lol

Sorry Karrie! I tried to avoid letting this go off topic into exactly this

same old, same old....

No, you're an idiot for thinking that a thumbs down would prevent a fight.

The teachers in BC are morons. They really don't give a rats ass about the kids unless those kids are easy to teach. "Problem kids" are shoved to the side. Pushed to drop out when they hit 16. Parents that question methods or suggest different methods are ignored. This for starters.

 

[karrie]

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You points are not relevant - It is not a positive teaching technique -....
What is about the points brought forward by Karrie that make people look for excuses. Shameful.

I read Ariadne's post as a frustrated mom who would have preferred negative attention to no attention for her kids. i get that. I don't think it's irrelevant or disgraceful. it doesn't mean I have to agree that it's the way education should work, but, I do understand what she's saying.

 

[Goober]

and yet you give me a thumbs down for warning you off rather than going off. Yup, yer a smart one all right.




No you don't Goob, because my opinion of a good many teachers in the public system in BC is far from flattering. From idiot newbies unwilling to accept advice or help to ones that were only interested in teaching the easy ones and the hell with the rest. A complete waste of my tax money and an equal waste of skin.

Gerry - Wrong agan - I would agree with that. Guess you should not jump to conclusions. I have been working on a thread about teachers. in the Ps System

I read Ariadne's post as a frustrated mom who would have preferred negative attention to no attention for her kids. i get that. I don't think it's irrelevant or disgraceful. it doesn't mean I have to agree that it's the way education should work, but, I do understand what she's saying.

Well then we disagree on that point Negative attention bring negative results - She should be aware of that.

 

[gerryh]

Gerry - Wrong agan - I would agree with that. Guess you should not jump to conclusions. I have been working on a thread about teachers. in the Ps System

Not a matter of whether you agree with me or not. You SHOULD know by now that on subjects that I am "passionate" about I pull no punches and tell it exactly the way I see it. Something many don't like.

 

[karrie]

Not a matter of whether you agree with me or not. You SHOULD know by now that on subjects that I am "passionate" about I pull no punches and tell it exactly the way I see it. Something many don't like.

When it comes to kids and the vast investment of time and energy we place in their well being, we all tend to get pretty passionate.

 

[Bcool]

Reading it through, gerry kept it to 'public schools', you turned it to how you'd like gerry to talk, so, don't tell me you tried to avoid anything.

But yes, I'd appreciate if gerry would drop your obvious bait and everyone would get back on topic.

gerryh post #39: I'm surprised. Genuinely surprised. The problems you're describing sound more like what we have experienced in the public system rather than the Catholic. The teacher that kicked the child should have been reported to Child services along with the administration. Your daughters teacher needs a good talking to and maybe a refresher course in teaching techniques. A DT for a low mark on a spelling test is over the top. IMNSHO

[Bolding & underlining mine.]

Bcool #45: Not getting into the religious separate schools vs public debate here: The Public School Act here in B.C. nor Alberta does not permit such behaviour by a teacher/staff member, qualified or unqualified, in either types of schools. Where and in which public school system did you find that such behaviour was permitted? And a little more tact would be pleasant, there are public school teachers on this forum & my husband was a super public school teacher and principal - his many now very adult former students still greet him with hugs & big smiles whenever we encounter them, many thank him for getting them through a tough class or for staying in school when they wanted to quit. Along with all the good types, there are always a few problems and bad apples in any system no matter what the format, I'm sure you'd be willing to agree? And I definitely agree with the rest of your post IMNSHO.

gerryh #46: 7 kids with 5 of them in the public school system of BC...... you REALLY don't wanna get into that with me...at all.

Tactful? :roll:

"Obvious bait"? WTH kind of moderating is that?

No problem, I'll leave this thread alone. Hopefully that will settle things....