George Zimmerman -Trial begins

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He did not allow that. He did allow the Jury to consider manslaughter. The prosecution should have had that as a charge from the beginning if it was appropriate, not now.
Now that they are or have lost their case they are reaching for any type of conviction, hence the child abuse attempt.
 

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He did not allow that. He did allow the Jury to consider manslaughter. The prosecution should have had that as a charge from the beginning if it was appropriate, not now.
Now that they are or have lost their case they are reaching for any type of conviction, hence the child abuse attempt.

She, Goob........the judge is a she from what I have seen anyway. I have a feeling that George is going to be found guilty especially now that the judge has allowed this latest charge of manslaughter. Then the verdict will be overturned on appeal because of judicial mistakes.
 

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I didn't have to look in the Canadian case.........I taught this stuff to armed guards.

The USA is a little different. Surprisingly, in some states it is harder to use by reason of self defense than it is in Canada....probably because Canadians juries are less sympathetic to self defense as an argument, and more likely to convict despite a self-defense plea. (that last bit is complete speculation on my part)

I googled onus self defense Florida

and then had to shuffle through a pile of crap to get to a statement of actual onus (on the state) and an explanation of an "affirmative defense", specifically for Florida.

I found that too. Apparently there's been a back and forth over that with a Florida court of appeal overturning a verdict and stating clearly that burden of proof always rests on the prosecution. Self defense needs 'evidence' but it doesn't need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, while the prosecution has to disprove it beyond reasonable doubt. The evidence required for self-defense is loose enough to be nothing more than perfunctory.
 
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All this court chatter should come down to the fact that Zimmerman took his gun and
went down the street after Martin. On the 911 tape the dispatcher told him not to
follow the kid. He did and someone ended up dead. The fact is once he went down
the street after him self defence is not an issue he put himself in harms way in a
number of ways.
One there is no proof the kid did anything. Yes he had some pot on him pot does not
make one violent is makes them hungry. Zimmerman can't live in his community anymore
because there will be a citizens manhunt for him if he is found not guilty. He has as much
chance of living on the street as a chicken for butcher. Someone will get him if found not
guilty because he is guilty.
The real reason there is so much sympathy? Rich people in the Condo hired a gunman
and if Zimmerman is found guilty the family can sue those responsible as it should be.
 

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All this court chatter should come down to the fact that Zimmerman took his gun and
went down the street after Martin. On the 911 tape the dispatcher told him not to
follow the kid. He did and someone ended up dead. The fact is once he went down
the street after him self defence is not an issue he put himself in harms way in a
number of ways.
One there is no proof the kid did anything. Yes he had some pot on him pot does not
make one violent is makes them hungry. Zimmerman can't live in his community anymore
because there will be a citizens manhunt for him if he is found not guilty. He has as much
chance of living on the street as a chicken for butcher. Someone will get him if found not
guilty because he is guilty.
The real reason there is so much sympathy? Rich people in the Condo hired a gunman
and if Zimmerman is found guilty the family can sue those responsible as it should be.

I don't think the evidence is strong enough. Zimmerman's story is not unreasonable and the prosecution hasn't made a strong enough case against it.

I mean, the prosecution's closing argument was a series of questions brought up on Power Point. That's relying on doubt, which is what the defense is supposed to do.
 

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Zimmerman verdict sparks worry of riots

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IciTnbhzNI4

Zimmerman verdict sparks worry of riots
Remembering the passions that inflamed the country with debates over race, profiling and gun laws, cities across Florida are bracing for protests and possible riots as the trial of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman winds down. Zimmerman is on trial for fatally shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February 2012. The case sparked waves of protests across the nation.
 

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https://twitter.com/ggome13/statuses/356086050810109953


Report: Teen arrested over Zimmerman tweet



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-over-zimmerman-tweet-20130713,0,469615.story
 

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This thread seems principally a continuation of the TV drama, why not watch the telly with the rest of the bloodthirsty rabble so you'll know exactly which way to bolt when the verdict is delivered.
 

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Jury in Zimmerman case asks about manslaughter charge - The Globe and Mail

All based upon race and not evidence, split along racial lines same as the OJ trial. Is the jury worried about riots?

“My guess is that they are looking hard at it to settle on manslaughter, that’s what that usually means,” said Teresa Sopp, a Jacksonville-based defense attorney.

Mr. Zimmerman, 29, said Martin attacked him on the night of Feb. 26, 2012, in the central Florida town of Sanford. Prosecutors contend the neighborhood watch coordinator in his gated community was a “wannabe cop” who tracked down the teenager and shot him without justification.

Judge Debra Nelson responded to the note by asking the jury to pose a more specific question about manslaughter.

To convict Mr. Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which carries the possibility of a life prison sentence, the jury must find Mr. Zimmerman acted with ill will, spite or hatred.

In the case of manslaughter, according to the instructions read by the judge, jurors must find that Mr.. Zimmerman committed an act “that was not merely negligent, justified or excusable and which caused death.” The crime carries a prison sentence of up to 30 years.

The jurors, who are sequestered, heard 12 days of testimony and two days of closing arguments before entering deliberations.

Although small compared with the protests that erupted after the killing last year, about 100 demonstrators braved the blistering Florida sun to gather outside the Seminole County courthouse as the deliberations proceeded.

Only a handful, including one brandishing a sign that read, “George You Got Hit, You Must Acquit,” appeared to support Mr. Zimmerman.

Carrying placards reading: “Jail the Killer” and “Justice 4 Trayvon,” many called for a murder conviction. Some wore T-shirts with an image of Mr. Zimmerman in the crosshairs of a gun, with the words “Yes Sir ... Creepy *** Cracker” on the back.

“Creepy *** cracker” were the words Martin’s friend Rachel Jeantel told the court he used to describe Mr. Zimmerman on a cell phone call moments before he was shot.

In an interview on CNN, defense attorney Mark O’Mara said Mr. Zimmerman supporters had sent contributions to help pay his legal costs, which have topped $1-million. He made clear donations identified as coming from white supremacists or obvious racists were not accepted.

And here is where the stink of a Kangaroo Court smells to high heaven


Officials confirmed on Saturday that the office of the special prosecutor fired her information technology director, Ben Kruidbos, who had testified he found evidence on Martin’s cell phone that defense lawyers say the state never turned over.

He received a termination letter from the state attorney’s office on Friday, saying he was “completely untrustworthy” and that he could never again “step foot in this office.


Mr. Kruidbos testified last month that he found embarrassing photos on Martin’s phone that included pictures of a clump of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semiautomatic pistol.
 
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