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He's an idiot, that's demonstrably false. It's as idiotic as using the Old Testament to call all Christians bigots and racists.

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No....because the Old Testament is basically merely history. The theology of Christianity comes from the arrival of Christ as described in the New Testament.....thus the name Christianity.

No calls for the butchery of unbelievers or apostates......no promises of the joys of conclusive Jew murder in the last days, the first of which appears in the Koran, the second in the Hadith.......

Islam means submission, it is not a religion of choice, but of force, tyranny, and bloody murder. Stick your head in the sand as deep as you like, it changes nothing. Wilders is dead on.

He is also dead on when he says there is no moderate Islam......but there are moderate Muslims fully capable of living in western society.

They are not wearing Burqas.
 

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If Islam is a violent and bloodthiristy religion, why are there over a billion adherents? Are there really that many crazies in the world, can a billion people be so stupid to not recognize their religion is one of violence and destruction ? ?
Or is it a better possibility that it's a peaceful religion, one of love and caring for one another, then wouldn't that make more sense of how it could attract so many followers and the reason why it's the fastest growing religion in the world??
 

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CUBert;1424467 Are there really that many crazies in the world, can a billion people be so stupid to not recognize their religion is one of violence and destruction ? ?

Yes.........and some of them celebrate the fact

Or is it a better possibility that it's a peaceful religion, one of love and caring for one another, then wouldn't that make more sense of how it could attract so many followers and the reason why it's the fastest growing religion in the world??

Birthrate is the reason it is the fastest growing religion in the world.....no birth control, no abortion, complete subjugation of women.

Read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's books Infidel and Nomad............an education from a woman once a devout follower of the Muslim Brotherhood.

I work with a lapsed Muslim from Algeria. She calls her co-religionists "barbarians".
 

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No....because the Old Testament is basically merely history. The theology of Christianity comes from the arrival of Christ as described in the New Testament.....thus the name Christianity.

Well, Geert was talking about the Koran. My bible has an Old Testament in it. I was a Christian once upon a time. Geert's a lunatic.

If what he asserts were true, there would be no moderate Muslims, practicing their moderate Islam-he's wrong about this as well. Not all Muslims are using force, tyranny, and bloody murder. Not all Muslims interpret the Koran in the same fashion. Islam itself means submission to god, but some also say it means the way to peace. Islam, like any other world religion, has different sects with different understandings of their holy book. Ahmadi, look it up.

He asserts that Islam is some monolithic religion, which is laughably stupid. If Geert's message resounds with you, then you're beyond reason.
 

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Well, Geert was talking about the Koran. My bible has an Old Testament in it. I was a Christian once upon a time. Geert's a lunatic.

If what he asserts were true, there would be no moderate Muslims, practicing their moderate Islam-he's wrong about this as well. Not all Muslims are using force, tyranny, and bloody murder. Not all Muslims interpret the Koran in the same fashion. Islam itself means submission to god, but some also say it means the way to peace. Islam, like any other world religion, has different sects with different understandings of their holy book. Ahmadi, look it up.

He asserts that Islam is some monolithic religion, which is laughably stupid. If Geert's message resounds with you, then you're beyond reason.

Go back and re-read the article......you have missed important points about moderate Muslims......
 

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Go back and re-read the article......you have missed important points about moderate Muslims......

Note where I wrote moderate Islam....moderate Muslims practicing their moderate Islam.

Geert is wrong. Anyone who took a comparative world religion class, or with a logical brain, could refute his nonsense.
 

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Birthrate is the reason it is the fastest growing religion in the world.....no birth control, no abortion, complete subjugation of women.

That doesn't explain over 12 million people converting to Islam between 1999-2000
Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's books Infidel and Nomad............an education from a woman once a devout follower of the Muslim Brotherhood.

I work with a lapsed Muslim from Algeria. She calls her co-religionists "barbarians".

Sounds similar to people who grew up in a very strict catholic household and later became atheist as a result.... is it the religion or an improper upbringing to blame?
 

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]That doesn't explain over 12 million people converting to Islam between 1999-2000
Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


mmmm talk about requiring psychological help!


Sounds similar to people who grew up in a very strict catholic household and later became atheist as a result.... is it the religion or an improper upbringing to blame?

More like her family abandoned Algeria in the midst of a civil war in which Islamists used the butchery of entire towns as a tactic.

she has nightmares. That is as much as she has told me.
 

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More like her family abandoned Algeria in the midst of a civil war in which Islamists used the butchery of entire towns as a tactic.

she has nightmares. That is as much as she has told me.

Wow, Africa is a very violent place.... People of all religious backgrounds have been butchering each other for decades... Have you heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?

Here's a little tidbit about them....
The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children and forcing children to participate in hostilities.[16]

And yes they're a Christian group.
 

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Alright, this has gone on long enough!

From this point on, anyone criticizing the government, invoking anti-government hostility or badmouthing Don Cherry will be taken to the nearest Canadian Gulag.

A message from your friendly



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Wow, Africa is a very violent place.... People of all religious backgrounds have been butchering each other for decades... Have you heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?

Here's a little tidbit about them....
The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children and forcing children to participate in hostilities.[16]

And yes they're a Christian group.

Well, they are most certainly NOT Christian.....and therein lies the difference.

The Koran clearly encourages Jihad and the slaughter of non-believers....thus murderous idiots can logically claim to represent Islam.

The New Testament emphasises forgiveness, choice, and tolerance as illustrated in the "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"........thus anyone murdering and claiming Christian justification....is WAY off-base.
 

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Well, they are most certainly NOT Christian.....and therein lies the difference.

No there is no difference.. It's simply insane individuals construing their religion to their own interests.

The Koran clearly encourages Jihad and the slaughter of non-believers....thus murderous idiots can logically claim to represent Islam.

Which chapter is that? Do you own a Qur'an ? Can you read Arabic? How do you explain the billion Muslims who aren't violent if it tells them in their book to be violent?
 

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Which chapter is that? Do you own a Qur'an ? Can you read Arabic? How do you explain the billion Muslims who aren't violent if it tells them in their book to be violent?

Wrong again:


SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
SURA 2:39: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.
SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).
SURA 2:254: …The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers
SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them
SURA 4:91: If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
 

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Wrong again:
Are you crazy? I asked you questions I didn't make any statements...

SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
This line specifically gives permission to kill if attacked.... Not kill mercilessly with no reason, you need to read further back, you conveniently left much of it out ....
You also need to put it in historical context; here's a quote from a Islamic scholar regarding this verse ..

"Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one any where? These verses were revealed by Allah to Prophet Muhammad (Salla Allah Ta'ala Alaihi Wa Salam) at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the "terrorist". These verses are not a permission for "terrorism" but they are a warning against the "terrorists." But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized."

The rest of the quotes can be dissected in a similar way.... I'd rather not waste the time, you get the point.
 

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Are you crazy? I asked you questions I didn't make any statements...


This line specifically gives permission to kill if attacked.... Not kill mercilessly with no reason, you need to read further back, you conveniently left much of it out ....
You also need to put it in historical context; here's a quote from a Islamic scholar regarding this verse ..

"Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one any where? These verses were revealed by Allah to Prophet Muhammad (Salla Allah Ta'ala Alaihi Wa Salam) at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the "terrorist". These verses are not a permission for "terrorism" but they are a warning against the "terrorists." But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized."

The rest of the quotes can be dissected in a similar way.... I'd rather not waste the time, you get the point.


Only if you are illiterate.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Verses of Violence
 

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I've literally destroyed every one of your arguments and your rebuttal is to post a stupid bigot hate site ..... you're hopeless!


Vacuous!

You offer no argument, no critical thought, no rebuttal here..........

Just a baseless accusation. The last refuge of the loser.