Geert Wilders comes to Canada

[Tonington]

Not one of us can possible be completely logically consistent across the board. Anyone that says they are, is lying.

Of course not. But on the same topic is completely different than across the board.

Though I find some of his particular ideas abhorrent, so long as we have folk like our local usual suspects, there is a need for that extremist type counter argument.

I disagree. Having the extreme ends controlling the frame isn't productive. It's kind of like the social engineering to fix past ills. Sometimes, in trying to balance it out, you just end up discriminating against someone else, which only produces more push-back.

 

[CUBert]

This coming from a guy whose links, I have decimated on numerous occasions, forces me to call into question, your grasp on reality.

hahahahahaha

 

[CDNBear]

Of course not. But on the same topic is completely different than across the board.

Yes and no.

Like I said, if someone thinks Islam is a threat to the very foundations of freedom, than limiting it's ability to be a threat, in a manner that limits their freedoms. Could be acceptable to some people.

If you perceive them to be a greater threat, than the limitations placed upon them is an abhorrent violation of freedom. Then I'd say his logic is pretty consistent. It's a matter of perception.

 

[Tonington]

Like I said, if someone thinks Islam is a threat to the very foundations of freedom

Then they're doomed to be a wanker from the start.

 

[CDNBear]

I disagree. Having the extreme ends controlling the frame isn't productive.

I'm not talking about them having any control, I'm talking about them canceling each other out, while the moderate enjoy the middle.

It's kind of like the social engineering to fix past ills.

I don't think so.

Sometimes, in trying to balance it out, you just end up discriminating against someone else, which only produces more push-back.

True. But the alternative is, you hope nothing untoward takes place.

You and I don't think there is a Muslim menace trying to take over Canada, because there isn't. Europe is seeing something different. So much so, you have Gov'ts trying to force people to integrate, back lash from non Muslims. Which is the very push back you're talking about.

reasonable accommodation can only go so far, before someone feels disenfranchised, or threatened. Real or imaginary.

hahahahahaha

Yes, that sums up your posts nicely, thanx, I just couldn't put my finger on what would be the best descriptor. Who knew you had some use.

Then they're doomed to be a wanker from the start.

One mans wanker, could be another mans freedom fighter, lol.

 

[CUBert]

Yes, that sums up your posts nicely, thanx, I just couldn't put my finger on what would be the best descriptor. Who knew you had some use.

it sums up what a joke you are actually.

 

[CDNBear]

it sums up what a joke you are actually.

You being the punchline, I agree.

 

[petros]

“Since I’ve arrived in Canada, I’ve been denounced on the floor of Parliament — which, by the way, is on my bucket list — my posters have been banned, I’ve been accused of committing a crime in a speech that I have not yet given, I was banned by the student council, so welcome to Canada!”

Ann Coulter - Ottawa - 2010
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[Tonington]

I'm not talking about them having any control, I'm talking about them canceling each other out, while the moderate enjoy the middle.

But that is not what happens. We have to measure some kind of progress don't we? Because like it or not there are kernals of truth in both ends. Consider climate change. We are not made better in the middle by the two extreme ends controlling the frame, but that's what happens. The media drives public opinion, and they intrinsically look to the ends, for setting up the dialogue in their reporting of "news".

So on one end, we have people who deny that anything is happening, and who laugh at any suggestion that humans are involved. On the other, we have those who will attribute any event to climate change.

So the posts don't really move. energy prices continue to climb. And the price of food is directly tied to energy prices. So we continue along, without much change, and nobody in the middle gets to enjoy anything, except lots of noise, confusion, and higher prices.

This applies to economics, to war and terrorism, to social justice, to law and order...the extreme ends aren't useful to the interests of the middle, because the reality of the world is that very often, the middle of two extremes isn't really optimal. It works in politics, but that doesn't actually make it optimal for every day life.

One mans wanker, could be another mans freedom fighter, lol.

Absolutely, that's kind of my point.

 

[Colpy]

This comment is truly ironic given the OP.

Then when someone says that someone should stay out of Canada, that`s the typical left not wanting to hear other viewpoints.

Hilarious!

Tonington, my reply, as quoted by you, was in response to this:

"fear mongering douche."

I may have to tolerate the opinions of ill-informed idiots....I do not have to tolerate their insults.

 

[CDNBear]

But that is not what happens. We have to measure some kind of progress don't we? Because like it or not there are kernals of truth in both ends. Consider climate change. We are not made better in the middle by the two extreme ends controlling the frame, but that's what happens. The media drives public opinion, and they intrinsically look to the ends, for setting up the dialogue in their reporting of "news".

You can't compare something like climate discussion to something like race or religion. Sure the argument contains similarities, but only one is protected by constitutions and is deeply embedded in peoples core beliefs.

Which is why we have a moderate middle ground on religion here in Canada. While discussion on climate is tantamount to a three ring circus of washed up WWE stars.

This applies to economics, to war and terrorism, to social justice, to law and order...the extreme ends aren't useful to the interests of the middle, because the reality of the world is that very often, the middle of two extremes isn't really optimal. It works in politics, but that doesn't actually make it optimal for every day life.

I agree, but sometimes that's all you have, a middle that isn't optimal, but keeps us from killing each other, or discriminating in an overt manner.

Absolutely, that's kind of my point.

Mine too. Go figure.

 

[mentalfloss]

Galloway broke Canadian law by handing cash to the terrorist group Hamas.......

Oh my god.. wow, you really left out one pretty important detail in here..

Like the fact that we actually falsely accused him and made ourselves look like idiots, lol

 

[petros]

Shhhhhh!

 

[CUBert]

This coming from a guy whose links, I have decimated on numerous occasions, forces me to call into question, your grasp on reality.

i'm still chortling over this

Tonington, my reply, as quoted by you, was in response to this:

"fear mongering douche."

I may have to tolerate the opinions of ill-informed idiots....I do not have to tolerate their insults.

expect insults when you're a ignorant neanderthal who hasn't got a proper grasp of reality...

 

[CDNBear]

Oh my god.. wow, you really left out one pretty important detail in here..

Like the fact that we actually falsely accused him and made ourselves look like idiots, lol

The only idiots, would be anyone that believes what you just posted.

Speaking of leaving out important details.

As was proved to you in another thread, with you own link no less. The ruling Judge in the case, before the Feds back peddled, stated, that had the Feds not interfered, he would have upheld the barring of Galloway, on the grounds of his suspected financial support of a list terror group. He believed, that because of meddling committed by the feds, that Galloway was being barred for his message, not for his actions.

Why can't you people stick to the facts?

i'm still chortling over this

I bet you are. When you figure out what was said, I'm sure you'll be insulted.

expect insults when you're a ignorant neanderthal who hasn't got a proper grasp of reality...

Projection will get you nothing but contempt.

 

[Colpy]

Oh my god.. wow, you really left out one pretty important detail in here..

Like the fact that we actually falsely accused him and made ourselves look like idiots, lol

What the hell are you talking about? He handed CASH to Hamas.

How could we have FALSELY accused him???

YouTube - Galloway Giving Cash to Hamas

 

[CUBert]

What the hell are you talking about? He handed CASH to Hamas.

How could we have FALSELY accused him???

YouTube - Galloway Giving Cash to Hamas

and Geert supports jewish extremism

 

[petros]

Jewish extremism and Hamas are one in the same...

 

[CDNBear]

and Geert supports jewish extremism

The other way around, as you already pointed out. But thanx for exemplifying your limited grasp on reality, once again.

 

[CUBert]

They both support extremism