Gay marriage ban overturned in California

[shadowshiv]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

Where is that carved in stone?

Let's see. In pretty much every corner of the world a heterosexual couple can get married. However, a gay couple has many places where it's illegal to get married, hell, it can even lead to their death just by being gay! That is definitely not equality!

 

[gopher]

people should the same marriage right as corporations

 

[JLM]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

Let's see. In pretty much every corner of the world a heterosexual couple can get married. However, a gay couple has many places where it's illegal to get married, hell, it can even lead to their death just by being gay! That is definitely not equality!

I don't really give a rat's ass what gays do and I doubt if many other heterosexual couples do either- what they do is THEIR business and they should keep it that way. :lol:

 

[shadowshiv]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

I don't really give a rat's ass what gays do and I doubt if many other heterosexual couples do either- what they do is THEIR business and they should keep it that way. :lol:

I'm sure that they would like nothing less than to have it just be their business, but when the government makes it illegal it's a little hard to do that.

 

[damngrumpy]

I don't know too much about the gay community I'm an old grandpa with twenty four grand kids.
I will say that the gay community is in the position where they have to keep their issues in the
public eye in order not to have government discriminate against them. If the government just
moved on and stopped persecuting them and delaying equal treatment they would just get on
with living. The reason some government positions are anti gay and social discriminating is
because it inflames people and social conservatives who are more bullies than spiritual beings,
can rally around red herring issues such as the gay community. Its about votes even more
than hate or sin.
Its time the general public who really doesn't care to demonstrate that with a giant vote against
these narrow minded people who, use the system for their own self serving ends.

 

[Walter]

Prop 8 was legally on the ballot in 2010. A majority of voters in California voted for the proposition but the courts, so far, have overturned what the people voted for.

 

[damngrumpy]

The courts are not there to patronize the wishes of citizens the courts are there to ensure
that people are treated fairly and they are not being treated fairly. These people are US
citizens, they pay taxes and they just want to be treated like everyone else.
That is why the US have the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch and the Judicial
Branch to attempt to ensure that unfair laws are overturned.
I also believe we need to make changes to government constitutions to ensure all religious
groups obey the law of the land like everyone else. that is another injustice but we will
leave that for another time. By obey the law of the land I mean they should be required
to obey the law ahead of religious teachings if they conflict with the law.

 

[JLM]

By obey the law of the land I mean they should be required
to obey the law ahead of religious teachings if they conflict with the law.

I'm not so sure about that, I would say with all the assinine examples of each, it's probably a dead heat! :lol:

 

[damngrumpy]

You got that right JLM but the narrow vision of that particular group is hell bent on making
us conform to their view of the world. We have Evangelicals in the West and the Islamic
Fundamentalist in the Middle East and God knows who will emerge out of Asia there is a
movement due from there sure as anything.
Walter has to understand just because voters in a referendum vote for something it should
necessarily become law. The judicial branch ensures rights of individuals are maintained
or we would be subjected to a police state, and the whim of the loony left or right.

 

[gerryh]

You got that right JLM but the narrow vision of that particular group is hell bent on making
us conform to their view of the world. We have Evangelicals in the West and the Islamic
Fundamentalist in the Middle East and God knows who will emerge out of Asia there is a
movement due from there sure as anything.
Walter has to understand just because voters in a referendum vote for something it should
necessarily become law. The judicial branch ensures rights of individuals are maintained
or we would be subjected to a police state, and the whim of the loony left or right.

and the other thing "people" like you need to do...is take a fu cking step back and don't over step your bounds. In Canada, for example, Gays can legally be married. They have the option of being married by a JP or being married in a Church that allows Gay marriages. Churches and Religions that do NOT believe in Gay marriages should NOT be forced to preform them. There are plenty of other options without stepping on the RIGHTS of those that do NOT agree with SSM.

 

[SLM]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

Maybe the word "adults" should be emphasized, overemphasized, underlined, surrounded in flashing lights and neoned that way Coldstream will see it and not equate homosexuality to pedophilia or marrying someone's dog.

It won't make any difference to that one and personally I don't care. That attitude is a dying breed, in my opinion. It's just not dying fast enough.

I agree but should it be any more of a news item than a heterosexual marriage. It belongs in the social pages of a gay newspaper! :lol:

I'm curious, was it newsworthy the day that coloureds were allow to drink from the whites only fountain? Because that's the analogy.

 

[Serryah]

Prop 8 was legally on the ballot in 2010. A majority of voters in California voted for the proposition but the courts, so far, have overturned what the people voted for.

And a lot of people were confused by the wording of it, voting yes when they meant to vote no as I read in some places. It also didn't help that people from OUT of the state were fueling and backing the whole "Vote yes" thing. What people in Utah do is their business, but what business is it of theirs what another state does?

Too many questions/problems around the original vote for it to actually stand, even if it was constitutional, but that's just my opinion.

 

[WLDB]

Prop 8 was legally on the ballot in 2010. A majority of voters in California voted for the proposition but the courts, so far, have overturned what the people voted for.

Tyranny of the majority overturned. Not bad.

 

[Serryah]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

It won't make any difference to that one and personally I don't care. That attitude is a dying breed, in my opinion. It's just not dying fast enough.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you and I know Coldstream won't ever change and the sooner people like them are gone the better for the rest of the planet.

I'm curious, was it newsworthy the day that coloureds were allow to drink from the whites only fountain? Because that's the analogy.

I'm sure to those who thought the blacks were just jumped up animals, it was horrifying to hear about.

 

[SLM]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

And a lot of people were confused by the wording of it, voting yes when they meant to vote no as I read in some places. It also didn't help that people from OUT of the state were fueling and backing the whole "Vote yes" thing. What people in Utah do is their business, but what business is it of theirs what another state does?

Too many questions/problems around the original vote for it to actually stand, even if it was constitutional, but that's just my opinion.

Yes, I think there was a lot of confusion in the initial vote. To me it says a lot that those opposed need to obscure their message in order to gain some kind of support.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you and I know Coldstream won't ever change and the sooner people like them are gone the better for the rest of the planet.
I'm sure to those who thought the blacks were just jumped up animals, it was horrifying to hear about.

I tend to think that the majority of people really aren't vocal on either side of this, or any, issue. Not because they don't care, but just because it doesn't affect them in their every day lives. They don't 'feel' the injustice of it, but will often, at minimum, recognize it for what it really is, discrimination. I believe when posed an honest, straight forward question, most would come out on the side of equality and fairness. Perhaps I'm naive or overly optimistic but I think there is more potential for good in people than not. This is the main reason I feel it is so important to keep talking about this, why it needs to be newsworthy. It's not to change the mindset of the few but the 'wake up' the complacency of the majority.

 

[Serryah]

Re: Gay Marriage ban - California - Unconstitutional

Yes, I think there was a lot of confusion in the initial vote. To me it says a lot that those opposed need to obscure their message in order to gain some kind of support.

And those same people are fueling the attempt to take it to the SCOTUS, but there are a lot of law types now saying it won't go that far because of the wording of the decision making it California affected only. In that case, the SCOTUS won't bother with it. Time will tell I suppose but if it doesn't go there's going to be a lot of PO'ed people from Utah.

I tend to think that the majority of people really aren't vocal on either side of this, or any, issue. Not because they don't care, but just because it doesn't affect them in their every day lives. They don't 'feel' the injustice of it, but will often, at minimum, recognize it for what it really is, discrimination. I believe when posed an honest, straight forward question, most would come out on the side of equality and fairness. Perhaps I'm naive or overly optimistic but I think there is more potential for good in people than not. This is the main reason I feel it is so important to keep talking about this, why it needs to be newsworthy. It's not to change the mindset of the few but the 'wake up' the complacency of the majority.

A good point; why be vocal if it doesn't concern them? And I think the more people that are woken up to this the better chance there is to end the unfairness.

Honestly, while the Gay Marriage fight is important - for a lot of people - the big issue that should really be kept in the mainstream is the rate of teen suicide. I read an article yesterday - out of Rolling Stone so take it for what it's worth - about Minnesota and Bachman's home district and the rate there and how seriously high it is, and how some of it is based on people either gay or looked at as gay being bullied, and teachers in schools not being able to do anything about it due to a "neutral" policy regarding homosexuality. In the end, what got me was the absolute stupidity of the Right on this issue. "If gays would only stay in the closet there'd be no problem" is the basic belief. Infuriating and no wonder kids were killing themselves.

 

[mentalfloss]

How backwards are we when gay marriage is still an issue?

Social issues like these still exist today because we expect government to focus single-handedly on the economy and nothing else.

 

[karrie]

Prop 8 was legally on the ballot in 2010. A majority of voters in California voted for the proposition but the courts, so far, have overturned what the people voted for.

Yes, that's what constitutions are there for... to ensure that a majority can't strip rights from a minority.

How backwards are we when gay marriage is still an issue?

Social issues like these still exist today because we expect government to focus single-handedly on the economy and nothing else.

We, aren't. Some are.

 

[WLDB]

How backwards are we when gay marriage is still an issue?

Fortunately, its not an issue up here. I imagine it'll continue to be an issue in the US state by state for many years to come.

 

[Cliffy]

Someone should thump some tolerance into those bible thumpers. Jesus was all about tolerance. Fundamentalists a whack jobs.