I believe that is the traditional Catholic view on it. Thus their position on sex before marriage and contraception.
With the new Pope that view seems to be loosening but this has always been the understanding I got from previous regimes.
Gay marriage a 'Trojan horse', says Catholic cardinal
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I believe that is the traditional Catholic view on it. Thus their position on sex before marriage and contraception.
With the new Pope that view seems to be loosening but this has always been the understanding I got from previous regimes.
Yep, use a fascist label. People living as they please? Where do you stop? Calling me terrified? That water gets deep.
You stop when folk living as they please have causes a demonstrable harm to others.
Stirring up your homophobia is not demonstrable harm.
That 'purpose' doesn't seem to exclude same-sex couples. Are you sure you meant to say that Walter?
Hey Cardinal, Hey. Over here. Look"
Here are the 14 countries that have legalized gay marriage (according to procon.org):
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Uruguay
Twelve states in the U.S. permit same-sex marriages as well:
Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
Check out the countries which have a pretty large Roman Catholic base and have legalized.
Pretty moot argument. It's pretty much legal, despite the wet dreams of Cardinal whatisname .
Me, Hah! just one more thing I don't give a sh!t about. Just hate to see religion still pushing people around.
pretty large, pretty moot, pretty much.............not too redundant:3some:
Here are the 14 countries that have legalized gay marriage (according to procon.org):
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Uruguay
Twelve states in the U.S. permit same-sex marriages as well:
Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia
Check out the countries which have a pretty large Roman Catholic base and have legalized.
Pretty moot argument. It's pretty much legal, despite the wet dreams of Cardinal whatisname .
Me, Hah! just one more thing I don't give a sh!t about. Just hate to see religion still pushing people around.
pretty large, pretty moot, pretty much.............not too redundant:3some:
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unfortunately though marriage alone does not do that, those results can be achieved via a loving commitment married or otherwise and also with a single mum, or a single dad or even a gay couple IF there is lots of love in the home
kids will survive anything if they feel they have the love and support of someone
kids are resilient
It seems to be to male homophobes.
Indeed. The marriage my parents had was far from stable and fortunately was fairly short lived. I had more stability growing up afterwards than I ever did with them together.
This is the moral state of the West. It now seems to be supported by Francis. Bagnasco represents the real Church opinion of homosexual legitimization as a disastrous prescription for the Europe and the West.
We'll have to see how things go.. . but many orthodox Catholics are profoundly disappointed with the Ponticate of Francis... who has made such
There was no need to call this Synod on the Family.. since all of the issues have already been settled in Catholic doctrine and Canon Law. They have been, in fact, for millenia.
I have no idea what Francis' agenda is. I know he's a man of Southern Church.. which grounds itself in a expression of 'passion'.. as opposed to the 'reason' of North. A constructive balance has always been struck.. which helps to rid the Church of superfluous ritual and verbiage.
But the Church's laws on homosexuality is something that has both scriptural and theological premises that go to first principles. The same applies for its the definition of marriage and eligibility to receive the sacraments. They CANNOT be overturned. It would be a fool who thought they could. The Church has ALWAYS been compassionate with sinners, including homosexuals... but has never wavered in condemning the sin.
The Extraordinary Synod on the Family just completed was nothing short of a FIASCO and has been called such by leading prelates of the Church. It was a disorganized mess, that lost all credibility when high Vatican officials started to distribute misleading and inaccurate press releases.
It has been followed up with the dismissal of highly regarded Card. Raymond Burke.. the Chief Justice of Holy See (as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura), the leading opponent of any deformation of concepts of marriage or sexual propriety.. under the cloud of a summary statement by Francis of the Synod condemning 'zealous, scrupulous, solicitous'.. attitudes of 'traditionalists and intellectuals'.
I'm hoping what appears to be a concerted effort by Francis to capitulate the Church's doctrinal and liturgical principles to the mores of an increasingly profane and relativistic West.. is something else. He has NO chance of succeeding if that is the plan. He will find himself isolated, embattled, impotent and imprisoned in the Vatican cloister.
I'm sure many in the College of Cardinals are working now to limit the damage of a Pope who seems to be on some reckless personal crusade. I'm sure many are thinking that Francis' election was not the working of the Holy Spirit... but a MISTAKE in electing someone who 'campaigned' for the office.. as something he was not. And unfortunately had not left a strong enough imprint in publishing and dissertations that it was not clear what he was all about. I strongly doubt that will happen again.. for centuries.. if this is the case.
We'll have to see how things go.. . but many orthodox Catholics are profoundly disappointed with the Ponticate of Francis... who has made such
There was no need to call this Synod on the Family.. since all of the issues have already been settled in Catholic doctrine and Canon Law. They have been, in fact, for millenia.
I have no idea what Francis' agenda is. I know he's a man of Southern Church.. which grounds itself in a expression of 'passion'.. as opposed to the 'reason' of North. A constructive balance has always been struck.. which helps to rid the Church of superfluous ritual and verbiage.
But the Church's laws on homosexuality is something that has both scriptural and theological premises that go to first principles. The same applies for its the definition of marriage and eligibility to receive the sacraments. They CANNOT be overturned. It would be a fool who thought they could. The Church has ALWAYS been compassionate with sinners, including homosexuals... but has never wavered in condemning the sin.
The Extraordinary Synod on the Family just completed was nothing short of a FIASCO and has been called such by leading prelates of the Church. It was a disorganized mess, that lost all credibility when high Vatican officials started to distribute misleading and inaccurate press releases.
It has been followed up with the dismissal of highly regarded Card. Raymond Burke.. the Chief Justice of Holy See (as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura), the leading opponent of any deformation of concepts of marriage or sexual propriety.. under the cloud of a summary statement by Francis of the Synod condemning 'zealous, scrupulous, solicitous'.. attitudes of 'traditionalists and intellectuals'.
I'm hoping what appears to be a concerted effort by Francis to capitulate the Church's doctrinal and liturgical principles to the mores of an increasingly profane and relativistic West.. is something else. He has NO chance of succeeding if that is the plan. He will find himself isolated, embattled, impotent and imprisoned in the Vatican cloister.
I'm sure many in the College of Cardinals are working now to limit the damage of a Pope who seems to be on some reckless personal crusade. I'm sure many are thinking that Francis' election was not the working of the Holy Spirit... but a MISTAKE in electing someone who 'campaigned' for the office.. as something he was not. And unfortunately had not left a strong enough imprint in publishing and dissertations that it was not clear what he was all about. I strongly doubt that will happen again.. for centuries.. if this is the case.
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ha! They used to publicly torture them to death in the Papal States. That is compassion?
You can convince yourselves, good luck with normal peeps. So, abnormal behavior is normal to you? How many of you are qeer?
'Normal' does not necessarily mean 'good' and abnormal does not necessarily mean 'bad.' I'm hetero but don't care what other heterosexual or homosexual people do as long as they aren't harming anyone. Offending or disgusting someone isnt harm so Im indifferent to that.
To reduce a society to virtual anarchy is not demonstrable harm? Yeah ok. That is the kind of thinking we have had gifted to us in regard to the the color of people problem which cannot now end. Those of us who have lived it and survived have considerably more understanding than two bit lawyers, as usual.
The Church never did that. Secular authorities did impose cruel and indiscrimate persecutions against homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, various 'heretical' groups, pagans and many others who did not submit to the political conventions of the time.
The Inquisition of the Church was intended to curb and limit the mass hysterias of the Middle Ages which led to lynchings and massacres. You're listening to the viciously anti-Catholic calumny of the popular media.. it cannot be trusted.
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Sure is. Feel free to show that gay marriage reduces society to virtual anarchy. Over a dozen countries allow gay marriage, so there should be plenty of examples.
You poor little victim. I'd shed a tear for you, but you're already doing such a fine job of shedding tears for yourself. "You just don't understand!" The battle whine of the twelve-year-old girl.
Still waiting for your demonstration that gay marriage reduces society to virtual anarchy.