Gang Wars Heat Up In Vancouver

ironsides

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Oh Bunk, why not just blame it on Rock n Roll.

"If the government is serious about getting rid of gangs then all they have to do is legalize drugs and the gangs will go away and the government can sell it cheaper and get more taxes."

That's a good way to kill a society. Release what little restraints the public now has on drugs, we would be a high nation. Drugs are not like alcohol where one has a choice, inject just one dose of some of the stuff we have and your addicted. Overcrowded prisons, overcrowded rehab. centers would be our future. Not to mention another way to control a population.
 

petros

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ahem....alcohol is addictive.

If you want to get rid of gangs...shame men into being dads to their bastard children.
 

ironsides

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I agree Alcohol is addictive, but much easier to control than opening up the dam and releasing a flood of drugs. Shame the dad's?, throw them in jail if they do not step up and be real fathers. :angryfire: I have no sympathy for a deadbeat dad or Mom for that matter.
 

CanadianLove

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I think it's high time a "slight accident" was arranged for the Brothers BAcon.

Buy a couple of boxes of Tim-bits and leave a trail to draw their RCMP bodyguards away. Then the rival gang members can get at them.
 

CanadianLove

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Vancouver police charge alleged gangsters with attempted murder

An alleged leader of the notorious UN Gang has been arrested along with his "lieutenant" and a number of his associates, according to police in Vancouver.

Barzan Tilli-Choli, 26, was arrested and charged over the weekend with two counts of attempted murder, police said Tuesday morning in Vancouver.

Investigators allege Tilli-Choli is a key leader of the UN gang, which is involved in a turf war over the drug trade in British Columbia's Lower Mainland.
 

Twila

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Can ya get one on credit??

alls you need is big balls, man and the ability to convince a woman that if she really loved you she'd go and make you some money.
 
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Socrates the Greek

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It looks like the days of packing a double barrel sawed-off shotgun are here. It is unfortunate when in public places innocent people get caught in the cross fire.

But looking at how the Justice system or Industry operates like a business, rather then an indisputable service needed to protect the public, people will start taking matters in their own hands.
 

Scott Free

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I am suspicious of this "gang" activity.

Certainly I know there has been a lot of shootings recently and police blame gangs, however, I have my doubts.

1) it isn't proved the shootings are gang related - that is speculation.

2) Police claim there are 12 gangs in Prince George. I know for a fact this is patently false and a misrepresentation. There are two gangs - that's all, and they have been there for decades.

3) I am further suspicious because this hype plays into the police state mentality it seems is gaining popularity. Perhaps it is serving to convince the sheep (oops people) that tougher laws are needed but, more likely IMO, it serves a political purpose in removing more power from the judiciary, something our political elite have been trying to do for years. As an example, in Canada the government can't set mandatory sentences but that fact doesn't seem to slow Harper down!
 

VanIsle

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Three killed in separate Vancouver-area shootings

Maybe we could just put them all in a room together, remove the kevlar and let 'em have at it.

On the 6:eek:o news last night they reported that the police have now taken the highly unusual step of placing camera's to watch a particular house in Abbotsford, while recommending to the business there to NOT do business with the Bacon brothers. If the business is uncomfortable denying them business to their faces, it's recommended to call the police in.
Gangster brothers 'not welcome' in Abbotsford: police chief

In today's paper: Port Moody is in on it now too.
Port Moody police issue warning about Bacon brother



I wonder how long before they turn up dead?
Dead by whom?
 

Ron in Regina

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Quote from Solicitor General Jean-Pierre Goyer (appointed by P.E.Trudeau)
from a 1971 speech to the House of Commons, on the Liberal government's
agenda for the justice system:

"We have decided to stress the rehabilitation of individuals, rather
than the protection of society."

Close to forty years later, with thousands and thousands of case precedence
based on this philosophy, we now find ourselves in the Shythole we're now in.

At least someone is try'n to now fix this problem to restore balance to a justice
system that has tilted way to far away from peace, order, and good government.
The Conservative Party didn't create the problem, but are trying to fix it....
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Violent criminals cycle through the system and back out again in a relatively
short time in relation to their crimes. There's little wonder that there are big
issues with the type of crimes being discussed on this Thread.
 

Twila

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The aftermath of the busts is started already. First the supply dries up then the junkis start the jones and kil their dealer. Or, the try to blackmail a dealer into selling and get killed in the process. Going to be crazy there now, for a couple days at least.

CTV British Columbia- Mayhem in Metro Vancouver with three shootings, two dead - CTV News, Shows and Sports -- Canadian Television


Hours after announcing they had made a "major blow" to crime, police in Metro Vancouver were called to the scene of four separate shooting incidents, which left two dead.
CTV.ca | Four shootings in B.C. despite 'major blow' to crime

I wonder why they consider arresting (not convicted or sentenced) a gang member as major blow? They should know it means that there is now a vacancy...and that vacancy will be filled soon enough.
 

CanadianLove

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CTV.ca | Four shootings in B.C. despite 'major blow' to crime

I wonder why they consider arresting (not convicted or sentenced) a gang member as major blow? They should know it means that there is now a vacancy...and that vacancy will be filled soon enough.

I am waiting for the Mexicans to make a big move and the Russian prediction to come true. The articles I read today say they estimate the drug cartel's forces to be equivalent to 100,000 soldiers. That could put up a pretty good fight with a bunch that would not think twice about killing civilians, and driving over the bodies laughing. They are a pretty rough crowd.

CTV British Columbia- Police trumpet five arrests in B.C. drive-by - CTV News, Shows and Sports -- Canadian Television

CTV.ca | Gang violence in Canada linked to Mexico drug wars

Gun smuggling into Alberta on the rise, U.S. officials say
 

CanadianLove

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Police are changing their statagy concerning the gangs in the Vancouver Area. Maybe the other cities in the country will start to do the same.

Vancouver police change tactics in gang war

Last Updated: Friday, March 6, 2009 | 5:47 PM PT





Vancouver police displayed an array of seized guns Friday at a news conference where they announced that they had arrested suspected gangsters on weapons charges. (CBC)


Vancouver police have a new strategy for fighting a wave of gang and gun violence — arresting suspects on less serious charges — and they have started with five men allegedly at the centre of a southeast Vancouver gang feud.

"The truth of the matter is that when one gangster targets another gangster, it's difficult to prevent, and difficult to prove in court, after the fact," police Chief Jim Chu said on Friday at police headquarters.

Instead of waiting until they have built a case on serious charges, police have started charging gang members for less serious crimes, Chu said.

"Frankly, we are prepared to arrest them on any and as many crimes as we can. As long as it gets them off the street and into a jail cell, where innocent members of the public can't be hurt, we will continue to pursue them this way," he said.

"As police, we've always been told by media experts to never say or admit that there is a gang war. Well, let's get serious. There is a gang war and it's brutal."
South Vancouver gangs targeted

Insp. Mike Porteous, the lead officer for Project Rebellion, the Vancouver Police Department's new anti-gang operation, said police recently used the tactic to arrest five people allegedly involved in a southeast Vancouver gang feud.

The men were arrested while on their way to attack rival gang members, said Porteous, as he stood in front of a table full of guns and bulletproof vests seized during the arrests.

Police said the prize catch was Udham Sanghera, 58, of Vancouver, the alleged leader of one of the gangs.


Vancouver police Chief Jim Chu says the department's new strategy for fighting gang violence involves arresting suspected gangsters on 'any and as many crimes as we can.' (CBC)


"Udham Sanghera is the head of the 15-member Sanghera crime group, which operates in southeast Vancouver," said Porteous.

"That family is in direct conflict with the Bhuttar-Malli group and this conflict has over the past couple of years resulted in close to 100 shootings in that area of the city."

Sanghera was not charged in connection with any shootings. Instead, he faces several charges relating to the possession of weapons.

Also facing several weapons possession charges are Gordon Robert Taylor, 42, of Vancouver and Barjinder (Bobby) Singh Sanghera, 31, of Vancouver.

Tejinder Singh Malli, 24, of Richmond, and Bimal Datt Sharma, 28, of Vancouver, were also arrested, but on charges of breaking and entering.
Suspects out on bail

The ability of police forces across the Lower Mainland to crackdown on gang and gun violence has faced a lot of criticism in recent months as a deadly gang war appears to be escalating, while police struggle to make any arrests.

Since the start of the year, at least 11 people have been killed in what police have called targeted shootings linked to a gang war over the illegal drug trade.

"What we have seen are new rules of engagement for the gangsters. They are now shooting each other when they don't have to," said Chu.

Perhaps as a show of force by police, the announcement of the arrests was made at a high-profile news conference Friday attended by Mayor Gregor Robertson and a large number of senior police officers.

The arrests themselves were not that new. Four were made last month and one was made in November.

It is not clear what effect the arrests will have on the Lower Mainland gang war. Three of the five men arrested are already out on bail, something police say they lobbied against.

Earlier this week, the RCMP and several municipal police forces appeared to use the same tactic when they arrested two of the Lower Mainland's most notorious alleged gang members on fraud charges relating to the lease of luxury vehicles.

Jonathan Bacon and Dennis Karbovanec were arrested in Abbotsford and Port Moody, but much like the Vancouver arrests, the two were released the next day on bail. RCMP promised they would keep a close eye on the pair's whereabouts.