It only looks like a goat, but it is a sheep, without the wool.
We Canadians are not as cheap as some others, you know. ;-):lol:
Friendly Fire Payments
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yeah, Canada is so generous. "Sorry about your leg, here is $1500, forget it happened because we admit no liabality anyways."
Oops, Oops... I didn't see your link, Karrie!!
Hallo, Eagle, I apologize and take everything back and state the opposite: You Americans are super guys - you pay generously in cash (no goats or sheep!) for every stray bullet!!
I'm truly impressed!
Hallo, Eagle, I apologize and take everything back and state the opposite: You Americans are super guys - you pay generously in cash (no goats or sheep!) for every stray bullet!!
I'm truly impressed!
And now you are absolved from all wrong doing because other countries especially Americans do the same thing. Your morals are nothing to be envied.
When in history have countries ever paid for loss of life in wars ITN? If you want to come on and mock Canada for doing so, then perhaps you ought to be aware that your country does the same. Is it okay? Does it change anything? Perhaps those are the questions to ask rather than the typical, predictable, Canada vs. US tripe.
You commented that the price of life is now set at $9000. Is it preferable to have it set at 0? To have it set at mere hundreds by discretion of the CO? Is it preferable to hand out cash to people who have nothing to spend it on? Or to return to the house with things that might actually make a difference for them? I know it all seems so distasteful, but, if it's deemed necessary that these wars be fought, then what's the proper, humane way, to deal with the loss of life that results?
In all fairness the article doesn't specify what "the few hundred bucks" are given for. Just like the Canadian article states that Afghan civillians are compensated for lost or destroyed property by Canadians which I am sure it is not to the tune of $9K per incident. I am sure when a death occurs the payment is in line with the Canadian buy out...minus the goat. But I could see a few hundred bucks being given out for a busted door.
Here is a snipet of the article...
The US military has paid out $1.5m (£907,000) to Iraqi civilians in response to a wave of negligence and wrongful death claims filed against American soldiers, the Guardian has learned.
Families have come forward with accounts of how American soldiers shot dead or seriously wounded unarmed Iraqi civilians with no apparent cause. In many cases their stories are confirmed by Iraqi police investigations.
Yesterday the US military in Baghdad admitted a total of $1,540,050 has been paid out up to November 12 for personal injury, death or damage to property. A total of 10,402 claims had been filed, the military said in a brief statement to the Guardian. There were no figures given for how many claims had been accepted.
"The US pays claims for personal injury, wrongful death and property damage," it said. "Payments will only be made for non-combat related activities and instances where soldiers have acted negligently or wrongfully."
Commanders make payments from their discretionary funds, rarely even admitting liability. Payouts average just a few hundred dollars and in some cases families have been asked to sign forms waiving their right to press for further compensation. In one area of south-western Baghdad, controlled by the 82nd Airborne Division, an officer said a total of $106,000 had been paid out to 176 claimants since July.
So you see it does not state that we only give out a couple hundred for wrongful deaths.
The US military has paid out $1.5m (£907,000) to Iraqi civilians in response to a wave of negligence and wrongful death claims filed against American soldiers, the Guardian has learned.
Families have come forward with accounts of how American soldiers shot dead or seriously wounded unarmed Iraqi civilians with no apparent cause. In many cases their stories are confirmed by Iraqi police investigations.
Yesterday the US military in Baghdad admitted a total of $1,540,050 has been paid out up to November 12 for personal injury, death or damage to property. A total of 10,402 claims had been filed, the military said in a brief statement to the Guardian. There were no figures given for how many claims had been accepted.
"The US pays claims for personal injury, wrongful death and property damage," it said. "Payments will only be made for non-combat related activities and instances where soldiers have acted negligently or wrongfully."
Commanders make payments from their discretionary funds, rarely even admitting liability. Payouts average just a few hundred dollars and in some cases families have been asked to sign forms waiving their right to press for further compensation. In one area of south-western Baghdad, controlled by the 82nd Airborne Division, an officer said a total of $106,000 had been paid out to 176 claimants since July.
So you see it does not state that we only give out a couple hundred for wrongful deaths.
huh? :scratch:
I'm trying to put your comment into context of this discussion, and I can't seem to connect the dots - how does an attempt to compensate - however paltry - equate with poor morals?
In relation to our society, a goat and a few bucks in exchange for a life lost does seem a bit crass, but considering the circumstances there - if the lost relative was in some way a contributor to the family earnings, a goat and a few bucks is little more than a gesture, but it at least conveys a message of respect and recognition of their loss.
How does this translate into poor morals for you? Are you concerned that we're not doing enough, or that our attempts are too measly and therefore an insult?
How much for the psychological damage? What's the price for a frightened child who can't sleep at night? You're all tossing around dollar figures as if it justifies bombing the crap out of some poor schmucks home. I'm sure the Iraqis and the Afghanis would rather keep their homes and their loved ones intact and send the foreign troups with their bribe money far across the ocean.
I'm sure you are right. The eight grand is the standard payout for the death of a family member. I still wonder where we got that goat.......Is it a Canadian goat?.........:smile::roll:
And what is a Captain doing walking a goat. Isn't that what Privates and Lance Corporals are for?
Maybe it is a culture thing and the goat should be delivered by a tribal leader or equivalent thereof.
You could be right, but maybe the captain just knew the most Afghani words...:smile:
Laughing my head off. Isn't delivering a goat a form of international communication.
About Lance Corporals... folks always say in the Marines that the Sergeant is the backbone of the Corps. I always said
"Nay Nay...it is the Lance Corporal"
Pvts and PFC's are too few in number...it is the LCPL that gets all the garbage details.
Nevertheless it was fun being a LCPL. You could be one of the guys without being a boot. Once you get that Corporal promotion things change.
In the RCAF, in the fifties and sixties we didn't have lance corporals. Only corporals. In boot camp corporals and sergeants were our Gods.
Pilots in early training were called flight cadets and they were almost as low as a recruit. Once you got your wings, you were a pilot officer, similar to a second [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lieutenant[/FONT] If you didn't kill yourself and your body stayed warm, you made Flying officer, first [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lieutenant[/FONT] in six months.
Pilots in early training were called flight cadets and they were almost as low as a recruit. Once you got your wings, you were a pilot officer, similar to a second [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lieutenant[/FONT] If you didn't kill yourself and your body stayed warm, you made Flying officer, first [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lieutenant[/FONT] in six months.
The answer to your first question is never. This is the thrid time however when I point out an "injustice" you automatically spin it to what the US does is worse, so then you must be better, even if we are throwing pennies at the families victims.
BTW, I have no control what my government does, as I am sure you have no control over yours. That doesn't mean I think Canadians are responsible for this shameful decision, but rather those in charge are.
It's a shame really, I was under the impression you were above nationalistic broohaha.
My apologies for my error, I assure you it won't happen again.
No $0 isn't preferable, but that doesn't mean $9,000 is any better.
Perhaps you need to place yourself in the families position and tell me how $9,000 or a few hundred dollars would seem to you. Somehow I doubt you be "happy" with that.
What I find more amusing is your nationalistic drivel. Actually, it borderlines pathetic.