french socialist francois hollande wins presidency
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I expect the markets will fall tomorrow: from fear, not from any programme of Hollande. The 75% top marginal rate will affect very few and there will be a push back against the ruinous, ideological fiscal policies that Germany has forced on he Eurozone. And against some of the Right Wing doctrinaire acts of Sarkozy.
It is going to be very interesting. It is what Sarkozy and his partner in Germany stood for, with similar polices in the US that brought the sick economies to the pretty pass they are now in. Will it be too late for a dose of pragmatism under a moderate Socialist to fix it?
It is going to be very interesting. It is what Sarkozy and his partner in Germany stood for, with similar polices in the US that brought the sick economies to the pretty pass they are now in. Will it be too late for a dose of pragmatism under a moderate Socialist to fix it?
It is becoming clear the people of the world are waking up. They are not going to take
the assault the wealthy and powerful have launched. Middle class society is going to
make certain demands of governments around the world. France, is the first followed
closely be Greece later today. There are a number of elections coming in Germany
Holland and Italy and governments there who bowed to the IMF and the European
Union, are going to find themselves in trouble.
The problem for the rest of the world will be the end of the WTO within a decade the
ways things are going. It can't happen to soon actually. The time has come to demand
that companies that operate on our stock markets are held accountable.
The world traders that have had things there way are going to see people fight back.
the assault the wealthy and powerful have launched. Middle class society is going to
make certain demands of governments around the world. France, is the first followed
closely be Greece later today. There are a number of elections coming in Germany
Holland and Italy and governments there who bowed to the IMF and the European
Union, are going to find themselves in trouble.
The problem for the rest of the world will be the end of the WTO within a decade the
ways things are going. It can't happen to soon actually. The time has come to demand
that companies that operate on our stock markets are held accountable.
The world traders that have had things there way are going to see people fight back.
What Hollande hasn't factored-in is that the markets have already passed judgement on his policy... To a degree, it matters not if he renegs on the promises, he has impacted the way that the world looks at France and the capacity to do business with them.
Chavez tried a related stunt (nationalizing private companies) and it took (will take) quite some time to reverse that effect.
With respect, get back in touch with Teresa in one or two years (presuming that Hollande executes his policies) and see how she feels then. My guess is that the theory that she voted for will not translate into the utopia that was promised.
I don't understand your logic. If it affects very few, there is more of a fear that these 'few' will vacate the jurisdiction AND if France is relying on the tax-grab from the 'few' (and they bugger-off), what exactly did Hollande achieve other than to reduce the tax base that France desperately needs?
Oh No! The socialist hordes are on the rise. Hide under your beds! Oh wait, the socialists are hiding there. Run for the hills! Sorry Saskybushers, no hills to run to.
I could just imagine the pulling of hair and rending of cloth if the NDP won the next election. What a freak show that would be! I think I will invest in pop corn futures at that time.
Unbridled capitalism will be the death of us all.
I could just imagine the pulling of hair and rending of cloth if the NDP won the next election. What a freak show that would be! I think I will invest in pop corn futures at that time.
Unbridled capitalism will be the death of us all.
I would love to see it. It will either work or fail. But I think capitalism is in its death throws and we will experience all kinds of hell on earth until people settle down and see what a great opportunity it will be to redesign our economic systems to something sustainable and equitable. Capitalist like to spout the BS about creating jobs, but all they really create is slave labour, inequality and an unsustainable future. I can't wait to see these guys reduced to sweeping floors.
The fact is time is running out for the old way of doing things. Before capitalism redefines
itself I want to the WTO fail completely and these free trade agreements come to an end.
That is not that far off either. Even in the nations currently receiving benefit, these issues
are coming to the fore. The reason is that as soon as another third world sweat shop
country is willing to work for less, the emerging nation is left with all the problems of a
modern society with no way to pay for it. I believe, morality is going to be the issue more
than the environmental focus. Economic morality, means profits, job creation, and a higher
social conscience. Only countries that embrace a modern world should benefit. We can't
denounce China for example, for its human rights violations and then do business with them
at the level we are. To do so is called hypocrisy.
itself I want to the WTO fail completely and these free trade agreements come to an end.
That is not that far off either. Even in the nations currently receiving benefit, these issues
are coming to the fore. The reason is that as soon as another third world sweat shop
country is willing to work for less, the emerging nation is left with all the problems of a
modern society with no way to pay for it. I believe, morality is going to be the issue more
than the environmental focus. Economic morality, means profits, job creation, and a higher
social conscience. Only countries that embrace a modern world should benefit. We can't
denounce China for example, for its human rights violations and then do business with them
at the level we are. To do so is called hypocrisy.
why did Sarkrazy lose his office? he didn't get the job done - just like Bush!
Except Bush was never actually kicked out by the voters. If the American system didnt work the way it does I wonder how many two term presidents would have made an attempt for a third term.
I'm not all that familiar with the French system. From what I've read their whole political spectrum is further to the left than ours. It'll be interesting to see which way this will go now.
The French mice finally elected a mouse:
Mouseland - YouTube
Some mice here still think we should elect cats.
Mouseland - YouTube
Some mice here still think we should elect cats.
They're going to turn into Greece. And then we're going to turn into Greece after the NDP takes over. And the U.S. is almost Greece because of their socialist puppet. And the Northern Euros - liek they've been Greece for like, forever!
EVERYBODY IS GREECE.
Except China.
China 'ready to work' with new French president
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.2aef3942c96503c9392d0b5f3a807d55.131
EVERYBODY IS GREECE.
Except China.
China 'ready to work' with new French president
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.2aef3942c96503c9392d0b5f3a807d55.131
Boy do you ever got that wrong. It is the ruinous fiscal policies of the free loading left that caused the mess in the first place. Especially in Greece.
What a great combo that is... More immigration that relies on services and fewer wealthy corps and people to pay for it.
Lemme ask you; how do you think that this will work out?
Fine for you, collecting your pension. What are you going to do when the rest of us loose our jobs due to socialist plundering of the economy and there are no more tax payers left? Or are you, like Greece expecting your grandchildren to pay for your greed?
We won't lose our jobs. We'll just be forced to employ un-skilled deadbeats in a "work for pogey" program. To be fair I dont want "work for welfare" deadbeats either that the other end of the scale tends to push.
What DG will do is stop receiving his pension, limited funds will be made available to him (and everyone else) via social programs, healthcare will be scaled back. That's not to mention the infrastructure related deficiencies we can expect in road construction/maintenance, etc.
The next logical step will be to piss and moan about the social inequities in life and demand that 'the rich' pay more... The kicker: It's be the retirees and middle class that get the prostate exam on this - they will be the new rich demographic... Of course, this will lead to more b*tching about 'how I paid my taxes and I deserve this stuff'
The big ole moral here is: Careful what you wish for; You just might get it.
Will you be forced to get rid of your T-9 and hire 30-40 deadbeats to plant each season?... I'm guessing that the family farm won't stay in business too long that way.