Fortress Toronto Canada’s Version Of Tenement Square

[Liberalman]

I find it equally disheartening that someone would liken pain from such non lethal weapons, to being run over and killed by tanks. The overdramatization of the western psyche is appalling at times.

Protesting is protesting and your right of the spelling mistake if you remember at Tieneman Square the Chinese military did show constraint for a few days before they forcefully cleared the square.

The secuitiy fence is up and the protesters can protest all they want outside the fence once they try to tear the fence down that when the police steps in to enforce the law.

I was listening to 640AM a talk radio show just now and a TTC bus driver phoned and said that he drives one of the charters that bring the security personal around around the security zone like the police and they found a bunch of pipe bombs in the bushes.
When the host said he didn't hear anything about it the TTC driver said it was not released to the media.

This whole G20 event can turn into something bad and even as bad as Tieneman.

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Protesters taunted officers with anti-police slogans

Toronto Police said their primary concern was the, "protection of its citizens, protection of our guests to the country and if people want to protest that it is done fairly and safely."

Protester charged with possession of an explosive device and possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose.

Anarchists to cook to cook for protesters

Activist bakers drop off almost half its stock of breads and pastries to feed protesters

 

[Liberalman]

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Hundreds of First Nations members are waved flags, including upside down Canadian flags, and pounded on drums as they marched

The protesters said they want control of land they claim as their own, and called on governments to investigate the disappearance of 500 aboriginal women.

Falun Gong spiritual movement raised banners decrying human-rights abuses in China.

group claims that Canada is home to about three-quarters of the world's mining and exploration companies.

Third world conditions on Canadian reservations

says he will self-immolate outside the G20 summit this weekend to protest the 1984 Sikh Genocide.
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[petros]

“Canadian mining companies are destroying lives around the world through practices and projects that destroy the environment and tear the social fabric of the communities they operate in, especially communities of colour and Indigenous communities” another protester said.

All true but in all fairness Canada is equally invested in by foreign mining companies doing the exact same thing to Canadians and our living environment.

The New World Order globalists suck raw moose dick.

At least in other nations the people have the balls to physically fight back when being screwed.

The protesters need to get out and be saboteurs





How come when the very same political people AND the heads of the largest corporations meet at Bilderberg, security is easily handled by local police and a handful of CSIS members with the only extra cost being some overtime hours?

 

[lone wolf]

This is the Harper potlatch.... It's special....

 

[petros]

This is the Harper potlatch.... It's special....

Harper hosted a Bilderberg potlach and like I say was handled by Ottawa's finest with the cost being .001% of the Globalist 20.

That is a hefty list the world's elite being kept secure in a single hotel with a handful of Ottawa street cops and CSIS.

As far as I'm concerned the security costs are scandalous.

 

[Liberalman]

The message we are trying to get across is the G8 must keep their promises

They make promises about fighting poverty and they have not kept them

They should move to a G-192 at the United Nations which really represents the people of the world,” she said. “It’s more of the same bad medicine that got us here in the first place

It was a complete case of racial profiling

They asked our names, demanded ID and asked if we were afraid to give them our ID,

We were afraid. We didn't know what they wanted to do with us so we complied

these kinds of encounters with authorities "create mistrust between police and the public

It’s really great to be able to talk about these things with each other and not have to explain to a partner why this is important or why you don’t have so much time for them because you’re so wrapped up in planning for it,”

For me, it’s important to have a partner who at least has similar politics to me. I can’t imagine being in a relationship with somebody who doesn’t share an anti-oppressive framework, or who isn’t a feminist, or who isn’t anti-capitalist or anti-colonial – right?

I was the only one in the whole place
It’s this massive jail and it was completely deserted.
About seven or eight officers tackled me to the ground, and took the second pole

I am a protester. I believe in the power of mass groups of people gathering to stand up for an issue that would otherwise be invisible. I was there in Seattle in 1999 in the rise-up against the World Trade Organization, and in Quebec City for the protest against the Free Trade Area of the Americas in 2001
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[wulfie68]

So is the title of this thread a typo by someone over exagerating the security precautions and comparing them to the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which hundreds if not thousands of people were killed (the exact number is in dispute) for protesting against the Chinese gov't? If thats the case, someone really needs to gain some perspective...

 

[Liberalman]

Tiananmen Square

before the massacre.
It's about civil disobedience, going against the government police force.

It’s about a police chief who did not have the stones to order his force to clear out the Tamil Tigers demonstrators who took control of a major street in front of the US Consulate last year who just helplessly watched.

This police chief has something to prove that he has what it takes to do the job effectively. He’s going to do the job right and save the day.

It’s about protesters that are flying in from all over the world who have said that they will use deadly force to let the G20 know that it’s time for them to disband because they don’t want a one-world government.

People have been arrested for having bomb-making supplies and police have found pipe bombs near the fence hidden in bushes.

Our military has tanks ready to roll in if the protesters decide to kick it up to the next level.


This might turn into a Tiananmen Square and I am hoping it won't but with a one billion dollar price tag on security alone, anything is possible.
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[pezlops]

You have the right to show your Id, if not you have the right to refuse and walk away. After that it's your problem. If you go looking for trouble then you get what you deserve. It's an insult to those that died in China comapring it to here.

the police could take a page out of china, if there is 100 protestors, 300 police show up, that's how to do it.

I fear what these supposed 'peaceful' protestors would do to the police and those they are protecting if they ever got through.

 

[TenPenny]

It’s about protesters that are flying in from all over the world who have said that they will use deadly force to let the G20 know that it’s time for them to disband because they don’t want a one-world government.
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If people are flying in to use deadly force to protest, then they are not protestors, they are terrorists. As such, they should be considered dispensible.

 

[Liberalman]

This is what a police state looks like!

The whole world is watching!

We’re taking a non-violent form of protest – we’re trying to keep the police from getting to the other protesters

One man, apparently deaf, was taken into police custody after a quick scuffle while the crowd chanted, "Let him go

We march from here to confront the gathering of thieves and murderers and parasites who are assembled a few blocks from here

That is what fences do ‹ they deny people," she said. "They are created to divide people and to marginalize people. We're here today to say we don't accept the fence in our city. We can't even leave our homes without being asked for ID from the cops. We mobilize to fight, and we fight to win

A protester smacked a police officer on the helmet with a pole holding a Palestinian flag and then jumped back into the crowd, yelling out the officer's badge number

When you consider what has happened in the past in other jurisdictions, I think there's something to be said for the level, the competency and the expertise of the policing in the province of Ontario

Lawyers and civil libertarians are scrambling to set up emergency legal help for a deluge of G20 protesters expected to be arrested over the weekend for heeding legal advice that is no longer accurate

The risk is that people are misinformed now

smacks of the War Measures Act. Do law enforcement agencies get excused from the normal constitutional requirements for interfering with citizens’ liberty depending on threats that may not materialize?

 

[wulfie68]

This is what a police state looks like!

No, its not. Security is tight because of the personalities and prior actions by protest groups.

The whole world is watching!

We’re taking a non-violent form of protest – we’re trying to keep the police from getting to the other protesters

The world may well be watching and they are seeing this:

G20 protest turns ugly - Yahoo! Canada News

So much for peaceful protests.

We march from here to confront the gathering of thieves and murderers and parasites who are assembled a few blocks from here

I'll answer this statement with a previous post by you, Liberalman...

It’s about protesters that are flying in from all over the world who have said that they will use deadly force to let the G20 know that it’s time for them to disband because they don’t want a one-world government.

People have been arrested for having bomb-making supplies and police have found pipe bombs near the fence hidden in bushes.

I thought the goal was peaceful marches to get your messages across, but I might be confused. The police and gov'ts aren't the ones threatening anyone but this...?

A protester smacked a police officer on the helmet with a pole holding a Palestinian flag and then jumped back into the crowd, yelling out the officer's badge number

Assaulting a police officer is a new form of lawful and peaceful protest, I see...

When you consider what has happened in the past in other jurisdictions, I think there's something to be said for the level, the competency and the expertise of the policing in the province of Ontario

Let's talk about the job the cops have done AFTER the meetings and protests are all done. And its not always a rough event: Pittsburgh hosted some pretty peaceful meetings last year and Calgary did a few years back as well. Again a lot depends on how peaceful the protesters are willing to be.

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awyers and civil libertarians are scrambling to set up emergency legal help for a deluge of G20 protesters expected to be arrested over the weekend for heeding legal advice that is no longer accurate

OK I don't have a high opinion of most lawyers (in spite of actually having met a number of decent ones over the years, oddly enough) but when I read this I had a vision of carrion birds circling a dead animal carcass...

smacks of the War Measures Act. Do law enforcement agencies get excused from the normal constitutional requirements for interfering with citizens’ liberty depending on threats that may not materialize?

There hasn't been martial law declared and really for most people its a case of "don't be an @$$hole and you won't have issues". The government DOES have the right to declare certain areas as off limits to the public though, especially if it concerns the safety of individuals, in this case the politicos and business heads involved in the meetings.

I'm not against peaceful protest. I think that people should be aware that just because they are peaceful, it doesn't mean they are lawful and should be prepared to face the consequences of any actions they do take... and a lot of the posturing by Liberalman and his ilk, combined with today's arson and vandalism seems to prove that security measures were more warranted than not...

 

[Liberalman]

No, its not. Security is tight because of the personalities and prior actions by protest groups.


The world may well be watching and they are seeing this:

G20 protest turns ugly - Yahoo! Canada News

So much for peaceful protests.


I'll answer this statement with a previous post by you, Liberalman...

I thought the goal was peaceful marches to get your messages across, but I might be confused. The police and gov'ts aren't the ones threatening anyone but this...?

Assaulting a police officer is a new form of lawful and peaceful protest, I see...


Let's talk about the job the cops have done AFTER the meetings and protests are all done. And its not always a rough event: Pittsburgh hosted some pretty peaceful meetings last year and Calgary did a few years back as well. Again a lot depends on how peaceful the protesters are willing to be.



OK I don't have a high opinion of most lawyers (in spite of actually having met a number of decent ones over the years, oddly enough) but when I read this I had a vision of carrion birds circling a dead animal carcass...

There hasn't been martial law declared and really for most people its a case of "don't be an @$$hole and you won't have issues". The government DOES have the right to declare certain areas as off limits to the public though, especially if it concerns the safety of individuals, in this case the politicos and business heads involved in the meetings.

I'm not against peaceful protest. I think that people should be aware that just because they are peaceful, it doesn't mean they are lawful and should be prepared to face the consequences of any actions they do take... and a lot of the posturing by Liberalman and his ilk, combined with today's arson and vandalism seems to prove that security measures were more warranted than not...

I just wanted to remind you that some of the previous posts are quotes from the protesters and why they are doing this they might be right and they might be wrong but as you saw today mixed in with the protesters was the Black Bloc an anarchist group that set police cars on fire and their intentions is purely destruction of public and private property.

 

[Risus]

I just wanted to remind you that some of the previous posts are quotes from the protesters and why they are doing this they might be right and they might be wrong but as you saw today mixed in with the protesters was the Black Bloc an anarchist group that set police cars on fire and their intentions is purely destruction of public and private property.

It is an absolute desgrace what happened today. The cops should have used more force on those idiots. I partially blame the media because it is them that are giving these hooligans publicity.

 

[TenPenny]

What stuns me are the young adults wandering around like tourists, taking close up pictures of burning police cars, standing around in front of riot police....don't these fools know that this is no longer a game?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It is an absolute desgrace what happened today. The cops should have used more force on those idiots. I partially blame the media because it is them that are giving these hooligans publicity.

Did something happen today? I have been on an all day hike. I came back and logged on to the forum. But I will check the CBC news.

What stuns me are the young adults wandering around like tourists, taking close up pictures of burning police cars, standing around in front of riot police....don't these fools know that this is no longer a game?

Such protests don't do the cause of the protesters any good, their cause (whatever it was) is harmed by this.

It is really the responsibility of the protesters to see to it that there is no violence, if they want to publicize their cause. When there is violence, then violence is the subject of discussion, not why the protesters are protesting.

 

[Walter]

A s s holes will be a s s holes.

 

[Cliffy]

Totally amazing that most of you are falling for the BS propaganda that is being spoon fed you by the media. Of course there is going to be violence. How else can this gang of thugs, the G20, legitimize their actions. All those mindless protesters protesting for the sake of being violent. What trash. Have any of you ever been to a protest? I can assure you that 99% of any violence will be instigated by plants and/or the police themselves. Why? Because they need to discredit any legitimate protest against what they are doing. Have any of you actually heard what they are protesting about from the media? I don't think you are going to hear the truth because those who own the media have a vested interest in keeping you ignorant of the facts.

 

[Risus]

Totally amazing that most of you are falling for the BS propaganda that is being spoon fed you by the media. Of course there is going to be violence. How else can this gang of thugs, the G20, legitimize their actions. All those mindless protesters protesting for the sake of being violent. What trash. Have any of you ever been to a protest? I can assure you that 99% of any violence will be instigated by plants and/or the police themselves. Why? Because they need to discredit any legitimate protest against what they are doing. Have any of you actually heard what they are protesting about from the media? I don't think you are going to hear the truth because those who own the media have a vested interest in keeping you ignorant of the facts.

The facts are that there are useless thugs causing property damage to people that they have no legitimate beef against. The owners of those businesses damaghed are just average joes trying to make a living, and giving jobs to the locals. I suppose you support this violent action? You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[pezlops]

Guess the protest is against glass, newspaper boxes, and 2 police cars. You guys must really hate glass.

Next time get Singapore or China to show them how to react to protestors.