I'm quite sure you are right, Walter. I guess old O.J. kind of set the standard for jury trials in North America, eh?
Forcillo Guilty
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I'm quite sure you are right, Walter. I guess old O.J. kind of set the standard for jury trials in North America, eh?
toronto will go crazy,if the verdict is overturned.
be ready for a backlash,
it is easier to let the cop be served justice.
Just as good as Wikipedia I believe.
"During a firefight on July 27, 2002, in the village of Ayub Kheyl, Afghanistan, in which several Taliban fighters were killed, Khadr, not yet 16, was severely wounded.[7] After being detained at Bagram, he was sent to Guantanamo Bay detention camps, in Cuba. During his detention, he was interrogated by Canadian as well as US intelligence officers.
Khadr was the first person since World War II to be prosecuted in a military commission for war crimes committed while still a minor. His conviction and sentence were widely denounced by civil rights groups and various newspaper editorials.[8] His prosecution and imprisonment was condemned by the United Nations, which has taken up the issue of child soldiers.
On September 29, 2012, Khadr was repatriated to Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canadian custody.[9] He was initially assigned to a maximum-security prison but moved to a medium-security prison in 2014. Khadr was released on bail in May, 2015"
Perhaps you can kindly inform us which streets he was free to walk from 2002 until 2010, since YOU apparently are so up on your "facts"!
From the same article and dealing with the conviction to which I refereed.
I don't give a rats *** what he was doing before his conviction.
Actually, innocent until PROVEN guilty is the cornerstone of the judicial system. OJs prosecution screwed up (why let defendant try on the glove?). They also failed to bother to introduce a tonne of evidence. Also the terms tend to be misused. He was found not guilty which should never be confused with innocence.
But being presumed innocent and need to have charges proven beyond a reasonable doubt is a very good thing.
I heard it on the news and did not register the name. The said they were going to challenge the minimum sentence part.
And no minimum. This is why they did not use this part of the code. They wanted him to serve time and they felt the jury would not convict on charge #1.
That is correct......................and at that point you can still make up your own mind!
So you are the only one who is capable of correctly determining a person's guilt or innocence solely on your oh so unbiased beliefs?
That's a dumb f**king statement! Has Cannuck been coaching you?
So, from what I can gather, it is your contention that Omar deserves no credit for the 8 years he was locked up and water boarded before the official trial! Is that correct?
Stand outside a greyhound bus and let a guy with a knife decapitate a victim, eat his eyes and you're an a$$hole cop who should have done something more.
Shoot a guy on a TTC streetcar who is wielding a knife on camera and put some extra shots into him and you're a murderer.
Makes you wonder why the hell would anyone want to be a cop?
Shoot a guy on a TTC streetcar who is wielding a knife on camera and put some extra shots into him and you're a murderer.
Makes you wonder why the hell would anyone want to be a cop?
Taxpayers on hook for outcome of Yatim civil lawsuits
Settlement amount typically confidential
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 08:29 PM EST | Updated: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 09:06 PM EST
TORONTO - Const. James Forcillo was found guilty of a heinous crime, but he isn’t the only one who will now have to pay. We are on the hook as well.
Bad enough that we continue to shell out Forcillo’s salary while he’s suspended and sits at home awaiting sentencing — a process that will only begin in mid-May and could stretch out for weeks. But as taxpayers, we will also be dinged for whatever Toronto Police agree to pay to settle the lawsuits filed on behalf of Sammy Yatim’s family.
There’s little doubt that finding the officer guilty of attempted murder will help the $8-million civil lawsuit filed by Yatim’s mother, Sahar Bahadi, and his sister Sara Yatim and the $7-million suit launched by his father, Nabil. But even though we are footing the bill, such settlements are typically covered by confidentiality agreements.
“These civil suits just disappear from sight unless it goes to trial,” says lawyer Peter Rosenthal, who has represented many families of police shooting victims. “We never hear about them again.”
How much responsibility is admitted in these cases? How much is paid on the public dime? How many will it take for changes to be enforced? It’s not for us to know.
Bahadi and her daughter are suing Forcillo, former police chief Bill Blair and the Toronto Police Services Board for $8 million in damages, alleging negligence, assault, battery and misfeasance in public office. Originally filed in October 2013, their statement of claim says the 18-year-old was suffering “an acute emotional disturbance” when he was fatally shot by Forcillo. Their lawsuit claims police conduct was “high-handed, shocking and contemptuous” and the force applied against Yatim was “excessive and unreasonable” and “not justifiable in law.”
Their statement of claim also alleges the officers dealing with the teen weren’t properly trained in conflict resolution or de-escalation and suffered from psychological problems that made them unfit to be police officers.
A particularly interesting contention is that Toronto Police didn’t properly supervise their officers. We’ve learned since the trial that Forcillo had been automatically flagged at least twice for drawing his firearm more than an acceptable number of times but never received any caution or retraining.
The women are seeking damages for “anxiety, depression, as well as physical and psychological conditions.”
Yatim’s father, who is divorced from his mother, filed a separate lawsuit in the summer, naming Forcillo, Sgt. Dan Pravica — who administered the Taser — as well as the former police chief and police board. He alleges officers “intentionally and recklessly applied deadly force.”
None of the allegations in either lawsuit have been proven in court.
In his statement of defence to the women’s lawsuit, Forcillo said he acted in a competent and professional manner that was in accordance with his police training. In their own statement of defence, the police board agreed, saying officers that night used “no more force than was reasonably necessary” to deal with the knife-wielding 18-year-old.
A jury obviously disagreed.
This is hardly the first lawsuit launched by relatives of police shooting victims; Rosenthal acted for Jackie Christopher, whose son O’Brien Christopher-Reid, 26, was shot and killed by three Toronto Police officers while he was suffering delusions in Edwards Gardens in 2004 and is also representing Michael Eligon’s family after the mentally ill man was shot in 2012 near Coxwell Ave. after escaping Toronto East General Hospital and arming himself with scissors.
According to three-year-old figures, Toronto Police have paid more than $27 million to settle civil lawsuits since 2000, including dozens for false arrest and use of force.
As former Ontario ombudsman Andre Marin has said, “It seems to be like Groundhog Day. Inquest after inquest, police shooting after police shooting.” And lawsuit after lawsuit.
Considering the jury’s damning finding on Forcillo, the public purse may be ordered to ante up more damages thanks to a Toronto Police service that too often doesn’t know how to deal with the emotionally disturbed.
“Nothing in this world will compensate me for the loss of my son, nor will anything bring him back to me,” Yatim’s mother told reporters after the verdict.
But we owe her just the same.
Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday.
michele.mandel@sunmedia.ca
Taxpayers on hook for outcome of Yatim civil lawsuits | Mandel | Toronto & GTA |
Settlement amount typically confidential
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 08:29 PM EST | Updated: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 09:06 PM EST
TORONTO - Const. James Forcillo was found guilty of a heinous crime, but he isn’t the only one who will now have to pay. We are on the hook as well.
Bad enough that we continue to shell out Forcillo’s salary while he’s suspended and sits at home awaiting sentencing — a process that will only begin in mid-May and could stretch out for weeks. But as taxpayers, we will also be dinged for whatever Toronto Police agree to pay to settle the lawsuits filed on behalf of Sammy Yatim’s family.
There’s little doubt that finding the officer guilty of attempted murder will help the $8-million civil lawsuit filed by Yatim’s mother, Sahar Bahadi, and his sister Sara Yatim and the $7-million suit launched by his father, Nabil. But even though we are footing the bill, such settlements are typically covered by confidentiality agreements.
“These civil suits just disappear from sight unless it goes to trial,” says lawyer Peter Rosenthal, who has represented many families of police shooting victims. “We never hear about them again.”
How much responsibility is admitted in these cases? How much is paid on the public dime? How many will it take for changes to be enforced? It’s not for us to know.
Bahadi and her daughter are suing Forcillo, former police chief Bill Blair and the Toronto Police Services Board for $8 million in damages, alleging negligence, assault, battery and misfeasance in public office. Originally filed in October 2013, their statement of claim says the 18-year-old was suffering “an acute emotional disturbance” when he was fatally shot by Forcillo. Their lawsuit claims police conduct was “high-handed, shocking and contemptuous” and the force applied against Yatim was “excessive and unreasonable” and “not justifiable in law.”
Their statement of claim also alleges the officers dealing with the teen weren’t properly trained in conflict resolution or de-escalation and suffered from psychological problems that made them unfit to be police officers.
A particularly interesting contention is that Toronto Police didn’t properly supervise their officers. We’ve learned since the trial that Forcillo had been automatically flagged at least twice for drawing his firearm more than an acceptable number of times but never received any caution or retraining.
The women are seeking damages for “anxiety, depression, as well as physical and psychological conditions.”
Yatim’s father, who is divorced from his mother, filed a separate lawsuit in the summer, naming Forcillo, Sgt. Dan Pravica — who administered the Taser — as well as the former police chief and police board. He alleges officers “intentionally and recklessly applied deadly force.”
None of the allegations in either lawsuit have been proven in court.
In his statement of defence to the women’s lawsuit, Forcillo said he acted in a competent and professional manner that was in accordance with his police training. In their own statement of defence, the police board agreed, saying officers that night used “no more force than was reasonably necessary” to deal with the knife-wielding 18-year-old.
A jury obviously disagreed.
This is hardly the first lawsuit launched by relatives of police shooting victims; Rosenthal acted for Jackie Christopher, whose son O’Brien Christopher-Reid, 26, was shot and killed by three Toronto Police officers while he was suffering delusions in Edwards Gardens in 2004 and is also representing Michael Eligon’s family after the mentally ill man was shot in 2012 near Coxwell Ave. after escaping Toronto East General Hospital and arming himself with scissors.
According to three-year-old figures, Toronto Police have paid more than $27 million to settle civil lawsuits since 2000, including dozens for false arrest and use of force.
As former Ontario ombudsman Andre Marin has said, “It seems to be like Groundhog Day. Inquest after inquest, police shooting after police shooting.” And lawsuit after lawsuit.
Considering the jury’s damning finding on Forcillo, the public purse may be ordered to ante up more damages thanks to a Toronto Police service that too often doesn’t know how to deal with the emotionally disturbed.
“Nothing in this world will compensate me for the loss of my son, nor will anything bring him back to me,” Yatim’s mother told reporters after the verdict.
But we owe her just the same.
Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday.
michele.mandel@sunmedia.ca
Taxpayers on hook for outcome of Yatim civil lawsuits | Mandel | Toronto & GTA |
Taxpayers on hook for outcome of Yatim civil lawsuits
Settlement amount typically confidential
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 08:29 PM EST | Updated: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 09:06 PM EST
TORONTO - Const. James Forcillo was found guilty of a heinous crime, but he isn’t the only one who will now have to pay. We are on the hook as well.
michele.mandel@sunmedia.ca
Taxpayers on hook for outcome of Yatim civil lawsuits | Mandel | Toronto & GTA |
While many others may disagree with me (as is their civil right) to me there is nothing about that verdict that falls within the realm of common sense! He was not guilty of murder yet a man is dead (from shots deliberately aimed at the "centre of gravity") yet he is guilty of "attempted" murder! How dead would the guy have been had he succeeded? Brain dead verdict in my opinion!
Odd case. I wonder if he even would have been charged if he had stopped after the third shot? According to the coroner's report the victim was dead by the third shot. I would say that the other three shots fired got him charged with murder.
And the three more after that! I think there are similarities between this case and the one at Vancouver Airport- one had a knife, the other had a stapler- they were both dead within seconds of the encounter!
It's probably time to do PSAs about the dangers of wielding weapons and threatening harm to the public.
They do it for all sorts of other things like mowing in flip flops or boating without a life jacket.
Obvious things but people are still stupid enough to do them and think they'll have limbs and lungs that work when filled with water like gills.
They do it for all sorts of other things like mowing in flip flops or boating without a life jacket.
Obvious things but people are still stupid enough to do them and think they'll have limbs and lungs that work when filled with water like gills.
You got that right Petros, it's amazing how many people think they can put a life jacket on after the boat flips over!
While many others may disagree with me (as is their civil right) to me there is nothing about that verdict that falls within the realm of common sense! He was not guilty of murder yet a man is dead (from shots deliberately aimed at the "centre of gravity") yet he is guilty of "attempted" murder! How dead would the guy have been had he succeeded? Brain dead verdict in my opinion!
That is because despite having it explained to you many times by many people you seem incapable of understanding.
The first charge (second degree murder) covered the 1st three shots. He was acquitted by the jury. He was charged.
From this case there are changes already happening with the police where De-escalation will be mandatory for all police officers before they go on the streets
Oh, so you are another one of these fellas that gets all Pissy when someone disagrees with you!
You are not the first one on here that I've encountered who gets like that and I'm sure you won't be the last! Unlike you, I have a mind of my own and am able to think for myself. David Milgaard's mother was another one so it's not a new concept. Have a lovely day!
Oh, so you are another one of these fellas that gets all Pissy when someone disagrees with you!
It is not usually wise to disagree with facts. But whatever makes you happy.
I have simply talked about how the prosecution decided to try the case and split the charges and what the jury is allowed to decide and what it isn't. I have offered no subjective opinions on what should or should not be done. I have stuck to the facts. But you have chosen to have a temper tantrum disagreeing with the facts or having no clue how our justice system actually works. But whatever makes you happy. Sometimes people want to remain in blissful ignorance.
I am not sure what similarity this has with Milgaard. That was a vengeful prosecutor and police force railroading an innocent victim. Do you believe the cop here was railroaded?
Sorry, no temper tantrum here. You say you have stuck to the "facts". What you accept as "facts" maybe I don't. I believe I'm fairly cognizant on how our justice system doesn't always work.