Ferguson riots: Clashes, looting in Missouri following vigil for teen shot dead by po

[B00Mer]

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[coldstream]

If he was fleeing... why was he shot in the front and not the back?

Even with that said the police officer may have used deadly force when he should not have. But ALL of the physical evidence says he was not fleeing.

Quite simply Brown was surrendering, likely after being winged in the arm from behind... and with his hands in the air.. As all of the Eyewitnesses EXCEPT the policeman have asserted.

There is NO contradiction between the consistent statements of eyewitnesses and the autopsy results.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Let's assume for a second that Michael Brown was making agressive moves towards the policeman. I don't believe it, because all of the physical evidence supports the case that Brown was fleeing.. maybe concerned with being charged with theft and assault. Even so that is not grounds for shooting.. but for argument sake let's say he was advancing on the officer.

What seems to be lost this in this case is it used to be accepted police procedure to shoot to wound, in keeping with the goal of using the MINIMUM force to contain the situation. But police are now taught to use Deadly Force regardless of its real necessity. Hence you see here the massive overkill, including two head shots, for an unarmed suspect.

There is an increasingly prevalent attitude amongst the police.. that they are not there to 'protect and serve'.. but they are a class unto themselves, the toughest gang in town.. who you dis' at your peril. It shows in situations like this.. but in much more pedestrian occurrences.. where massive retaliation is used rather than defusing potentially explosive outcomes.

While I agree with your post in general, evidence does not any more support the fleeing theory. 6 bullet holes on the FRONT of the body.

 

[lone wolf]

You'd almost think they would, wouldn't you??

There are obviously two separate groups on the street.....citizens concerned about the shooting of Mr. Brown, and citizens interested in partying, smashing and looting.

The second group needs some shooting. Unfortunately, it is a little hard to tell them apart at time.

Store owners, get yourself a pump action shotgun and some birdshot.....and buck shot.

Use the birdshot. If that does not keep you safe, step up to OO Buck.

Got something against rock salt?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Hmm. . . pretty intelligent commentary.


Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO and Police Militarization (HBO) - YouTube

 

[gopher]

CNN news anchor Don Lemon, who is as liberal as they get, has been really critical of the demonstrations. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I missed that particular news blurb - did he criticize the demonstrations or the rioters as they are two separate groupings.

 

[captain morgan]

Your statement was, and I quote,



Not "once charges have been brought, the peaceful demonstrations will stop." Not even "once all items of value have been looted, we'll see a sharp downturn in the demonstrations. Your statement was



How should I read that other than "looting is the only reason for the demonstrations?"

That's right... The looting under the guise of peaceful demonstrations will stop once there is nothing more of value to loot... Then it will morph into simple willful vandalism

 

[B00Mer]

WOW!! They are b*tching about cops stopping more blacks that whites in a suburb that is prominently black, what are the chances.

Ferguson, MO, 15% on food stamps, 50% unemployed and those who are employed are below the poverty line. Get an education, get a better job..

Can we just flood the area, like Louisiana?? (just kidding)

Michael Brown is dead, he was a thug and from all accounts deserved what he got.. good riddance to another thug.

 

[Nuggler]

I'm headed somewhere in between those 2 descriptions.... Ultimately that's a lot of shots by the cop (totally unjustified), but I sure don't buy the notion that he was gunned down 'execution style'.

Nor do I buy the premise that Brown had not invited some form of police attention

Maybe he reached quickly into his back pocket for a kleenex.

We know how that works eh. Even in Canada.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Michael Brown is dead, he was a thug and from all accounts deserved what he got.. good riddance to another thug.

Yep. I support shooting down thugs in the street. Why bother with the law?

 

[gopher]

WOW!! They are b*tching about cops stopping more blacks that whites in a suburb that is prominently black, what are the chances.

Ferguson, MO, 15% on food stamps, 50% unemployed and those who are employed are below the poverty line. Get an education, get a better job..

Can we just flood the area, like Louisiana?? (just kidding)

Michael Brown is dead, he was a thug and from all accounts deserved what he got.. good riddance to another thug.

A news report I saw on tv said more whites than blacks use drugs in that locale but that police are more inclined to stop blacks. When cops change their selective enforcement of the law policy it is likelier to bring about more peace there. As for education, as we have discussed in the past college degrees are a dime a dozen nowadays and are no guarantee of a better job. The maintenance man in my building is in his 30s and has a masters in English literature and creative writing - tell him all that education is worth it.

 

[lone wolf]

WOW!! They are b*tching about cops stopping more blacks that whites in a suburb that is prominently black, what are the chances.

Ferguson, MO, 15% on food stamps, 50% unemployed and those who are employed are below the poverty line. Get an education, get a better job..

Can we just flood the area, like Louisiana?? (just kidding)

Michael Brown is dead, he was a thug and from all accounts deserved what he got.. good riddance to another thug.

Cop says the Brown was shot in the cruiser. Medical examiner says all six shots were fired from a distance. Somebody's fibbing.

No curfew tonight in Ferguson, Mo., as National Guard moves in - LA Times

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

WOW!! They are b*tching about cops stopping more blacks that whites in a suburb that is prominently black, what are the chances.

With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouri’s attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people — despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/opinion/in-ferguson-black-town-white-power.html#

 

[Colpy]

Let's assume for a second that Michael Brown was making agressive moves towards the policeman. I don't believe it, because all of the physical evidence supports the case that Brown was fleeing.. maybe concerned with being charged with theft and assault. Even so that is not grounds for shooting.. but for argument sake let's say he was advancing on the officer.

What seems to be lost this in this case is it used to be accepted police procedure to shoot to wound, in keeping with the goal of using the MINIMUM force to contain the situation. But police are now taught to use Deadly Force regardless of its real necessity. Hence you see here the massive overkill, including two head shots, for an unarmed suspect.

There is an increasingly prevalent attitude amongst the police.. that they are not there to 'protect and serve'.. but they are a class unto themselves, the toughest gang in town.. who you dis' at your peril. It shows in situations like this.. but in much more pedestrian occurrences.. where massive retaliation is used rather than defusing potentially explosive outcomes.

He was hit 6 times, all from the front. That does NOT mean the shooting was legitimate, but if he was running away, he was running backwards.

It was NEVER police procedure to "shoot to wound". The ensuing paragraph you wrote demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Police are NOT taught "deadly force", they are taught "shoot to STOP". They are NEVER taught to do head shots, as a head shot is difficult to make, and is actually LESS apt to stop a subject than a solid centre torso hit.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

He was hit 6 times, all from the front. That does NOT mean the shooting was legitimate, but if he was running away, he was running backwards.

It was NEVER police procedure to "shoot to wound". The ensuing paragraph you wrote demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Police are NOT taught "deadly force", they are taught "shoot to STOP". They are NEVER taught to do head shots, as a head shot is difficult to make, and is actually LESS apt to stop a subject than a solid centre torso hit.

It's sort of odd but I don't think there was one of those -- only 2 headshots and 4 periferal shots. The cop was either untrained or a really poor shot.

 

[B00Mer]

With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouri’s attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people — despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/opinion/in-ferguson-black-town-white-power.html#

The racial makeup of the city was 29.3% White, 67.4% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.5% Asian, 0.4% from other races, and 2.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.2% of the population.

Ferguson, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said before, what are the chances of pulling over a black individual vs a white individual in Ferguson, Missouri. 2/3 chances..??

Stop trying to muddy the waters with National stats, when the complaints are against a local police force.

FPD (being that hackers have taken down the City of Ferguson, MO's website)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_Police_Department_(Missouri)

Oh and they have tried to get a more diverse Police Force, but the local blacks don't want to apply to be a police officer, cooler to be an uneducated thug in Ferguson, Missouri.

You can thank Obama for this mess... that's right, I'm blaming Obama for perpetuating this mess in the USA.

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[JLM]

One sure way to end that riot in Missouri- grab that cop who shot the kid and cut his Knuts off.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The racial makeup of the city was 29.3% White, 67.4% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.5% Asian, 0.4% from other races, and 2.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.2% of the population.

Ferguson, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said before, what are the chances of pulling over a black individual vs a white individual in Ferguson, Missouri. 2/3 chances..??

You don't read too good, do you? According to the statistics, six-sevenths.

Stop trying to muddy the waters with National stats, when the complaints are against a local police force.

You don't read too good, do you? The stats are for Ferguson, not the U.S.

FPD (being that hackers have taken down the City of Ferguson, MO's website)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_Police_Department_(Missouri)

Oh and they have tried to get a more diverse Police Force, but the local blacks don't want to apply to be a police officer, cooler to be an uneducated thug in Ferguson, Missouri.

You can thank Obama for this mess... that's right, I'm blaming Obama for perpetuating this mess in the USA.

Welfare Hits Record Levels After 50 Years of War on Poverty

Yep, that justifies shooting a kid in the street.

 

[JLM]

The racial makeup of the city was 29.3% White, 67.4% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.5% Asian, 0.4% from other races, and 2.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.2% of the population.

Ferguson, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said before, what are the chances of pulling over a black individual vs a white individual in Ferguson, Missouri. 2/3 chances..??

Stop trying to muddy the waters with National stats, when the complaints are against a local police force.

FPD (being that hackers have taken down the City of Ferguson, MO's website)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_Police_Department_(Missouri)

Oh and they have tried to get a more diverse Police Force, but the local blacks don't want to apply to be a police officer, cooler to be an uneducated thug in Ferguson, Missouri.

You can thank Obama for this mess... that's right, I'm blaming Obama for perpetuating this mess in the USA.

Welfare Hits Record Levels After 50 Years of War on Poverty

Since when is race a criteria for killing a guy?

 

[Nuggler]

8O..................K nuts ? 8O