Yup, unless you're gimped up, then you get around $1300. More? Really? Can we send you ours then?
Good observation.
I've known a couple Vietnam deserters. Both were wounded and both did two tours and didn't want to back a third time.
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Good observation.
I've known a couple Vietnam deserters. Both were wounded and both did two tours and didn't want to back a third time.
I knew a American conscientious objector. He was drafted during the Vietnam war, so he came to Canada to avoid jail time or serving in a war that did not defend the US. He worked as an airline dispatcher and paid taxes. Welcome to Canada.
I have mixed feelings about Iraq, but I feel that while the US could have easily avoided war, defeated al Quaeda and captured OBL... the decision to start that war was legal.
But invading and occupying Iraq had nothing to do with any threat to the US... American soldiers in that conflict were not defending their country.
I have mixed feelings about Iraq, but I feel that while the US could have easily avoided war, defeated al Quaeda and captured OBL... the decision to start that war was legal.
But invading and occupying Iraq had nothing to do with any threat to the US... American soldiers in that conflict were not defending their country.
Hmmm... something is fishy about those deserters. The typical enlistment for a draftee or enlistee was 2 years and one in Vietnam. The Iraq-Afghan Vets for sure have done 2-3... sometimes 4 tours but they have four year minimums.
Upon quick research only 15% of first term enlistees or draftees did more than one tour in Vietnam. However career soldiers and Marines... Sgts, etc. have done more if they reenlisted. Clearly the re enlistees knew what Vietnam was all about.
Also... whole units for the most part stayed in Vietnam. Soldiers and Marines were basically rotated in and out of the Vietnam based unit in a year and the unit as a whole stayed put. Names and faces changed within the unit on the ground but the unit stayed in Vietnam.
In Iraq and Afghanistan whole units deploy in and out of these places. Units train in the states then replaced units in theater.
Good for him... he wasn't a deserter.
The deserters in Canada today want to be treated like the Americans that went to Canada to avoid military service. It simply isn't going to happen. Funny they thought Obama would save them. lol
Iraq, Iran and A-Stan stand in the way of Mediterranean Nat Gas getting to the massive markets of India and China.
Egypt is one of the countries sittting on masive NG reserves.
Ahmadinejad, a key player in getting that Egyptian gas to India and China is in Cairo as I type this.
A line can be run from Egypt through Saudi Arabia and across the Persian Gulf to Iran and tie into the lines to India.
Palestine has sh*tloads of NG as well and will be part of the deal and Israels foot int he door to get in on it too.
A deal will be brokered by Egypt that involves Israel cutting Palestine loose which in turn Iran will end it's mythical nuke program bringing a calm and prosperity to the all inviolved in the Mid East
Iraq will be left to it's civil war unable to flood the market thus keeping prices higher.
It's all just a game.
Question for colpie. If a deserter claims to have been pressured to commit war crimes, should his case not be taken seriously? It's a pretty serious accusation after all. I can see putting him through the rigner, but certainly he should have a chance at a fair trial whereby the US too can defend itself on an equal footing, no?
Would you say the same thing to those that wanted to and actually managed to escape from being part of Hitler's war machine?
Has he brought charges against the US? The charges they have brought are desertion.
Are you saying the US should present itself in a Canadian court to face charges of a deserter trying to save his azz?
Are you saying the US should present itself in a Canadian court to face charges of a deserter trying to save his azz?
As a kid working in a sawmill, I worked with a couple, the wife was actually the sawyer. I can't remember what the husband's job at the mill was, but they both earned money like I did. They also paid taxes, paid into their CPP, etc. like I did. They never talked about the war in Viet Nam but I suspect the USA wasn't all angelic in its activities there and they objected by avoiding being a part of it.
That and the WMD which were never found.
Actually, LG, that's a valid comparison. seriously.
good one:thumbright:
Are those the ones who dodged the draft or deserters? There is a BIG difference.
What IS angelic about war? It is a slaughter... all of them.
No. I'm saying that if we just allow him to desert, the US has no recourse. If we sent him to the ICJ, then the US does have an option, should it wish to do so, to fight to get him back to face charges in the US.
Of course the US might not care and decide to just let Canada have him. But, to be fair to the US, we should give the US a chance to fight back against the accusations instead of just assuming the deserter is telling the truth.
All I'm saying is that when a deserter makes such serious claims, the US should be given a chance to fight back if it wants to.
Pot ain't indigenous to North America. It's origin is central, southern, and eastern Asia. Of course it was imported here. As to who brought it here, the Spanish brought it to Chile and it spread.
He already HAS deserted.
Send him wherever you wish to send him or keep him. That is my opinion.
He's a deserter and that is that. Honestly, I look at all "war stories" with skepticism. From bravery to war crimes. I have read hundreds and hundreds of books on military adventures and it is very hard to get the facts when so much is going on. People embellishing what they did, or saw, or what happened. Believe me I was there and during after action reports there are always discrepancies.
So why would the US go into a court to answer the charges of a guy who is wanted for desertion? He's going to do whatever it takes to save himself. He has committed a serious crime and he doesn't want to face the music.
Petros and I were just chatting about who started the weed business in B.C. He said Vietnam vets did. I thought you guys were pretty tuned in on your own.
They were actually deserters. It is why I remember them because they stuck out like a sore thumb. One was from OK and the other from OR. We had lots of dodgers back then, too, if I remmeber correctly, but some of them also had decent jobs and earned their livings.
True, but irrelevant. A country defending itself is different from a country that's being aggressive for whatever reason (especially when it doesn't follow its own rules of war or those rules set out by an organisation that it agreed to be a part of).
If I thought it was going to be a kangaroo court, I wouldn't stick around either.
hehe It was most likely importers in Chinatown that brought pot to B.C. and probably some time in the 18th century.Petros and I were just chatting about who started the weed business in B.C. He said Vietnam vets did. I thought you guys were pretty tuned in on your own.
I get you.
Well in the case of deserters from the US... they are better off there. There is nothing for them here anymore. The ones that escaped the draft during the Vietnam War have already been given amnesty. However deserters are a different story. I have read that at least some of the recent deserters are seeking assistance from the Canadian government because of their status and being unable to work. It was awhile ago that I read that on here so the details are not so clear.
Of course some will call it a kangaroo court. They want the guy to be left alone and the evidence is overwhelming. It is a slam dunk case for when he returns and he knows it. YOU know it. His supporters KNOW it. He deserted and that is a fact. DESERTION is the charge he will face and he clearly has deserted.
Don't criticize the way the US Military tries the members of the Armed Forces. It is the same in any military I would bet. Without looking it up I bet Canada has it's own form of trying its military.
Just because the evidence is overwhelming and he will be found guilty of desertion doesn't make it a kangaroo court.
I can understand that well enough considering that life in the States for them wouldn't exactly be peaches n cream.
Yeah, some are still here but they can actually feel ok about going back to visit relatives n suchlike.
Yeah, I don't know enough about them either. But Canada's pretty lax on refugee status and the entire planet knows it. The CIC seems to only pick on people that won't put up a fight against extradition.
I'm accepting that he deserted as being a fact. But the issue I am pointing out is more a case of justice as opposed to being a case of legality.
I have no doubt.
As I said, that is justifiable as far as the legal end goes, but may not be in terms of justice. Like if some cowboy in the old west stole a horse to escape from being murdered or escape from his boss's order to steal some other rancher's cattle, should he have actually been hanged for stealing the horse?
As I pointed out to you before, there's a Mexican fella and his wife that live about a half mile down the road from us here in the central Kootenays. Damned nice people.A disabled friend of ours married a Mexican girl and they live about 2 miles from us.