Federal Court rules in favour of U.S. war resister

EagleSmack

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I sincerely apologize to Eaglesmack for claiming that he is one of millions of Americans who believed that Saddam Hussein was behind the events of 9/11. His posts indicate he never fell for that lie.
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How SWEET it is!

PWNED!

Now F*** OFF EAO!
 
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L Gilbert

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That's no excuse. Who's he to decide? He signed the contract. Free will. He was no draftee.
If the decisions involved in the execution of the contract are faulty, is it his fault? Nope.

Sorry LG... keep floundering.
lol Ain't me that's floundering.

LOL. Sure it is! Better than your moose analogy for starters.
Perhaps in your head. But the moose example pointed out the difference between justice and legalities. Yours didn't.

And you didn't even touch on the Hitler analogy. Did that confuse you or are you just avoiding it because you see a bit of difference (finally)?

Again, Hitler made murder legal. It was not justified. But the way you seem to be thinking, it was justified.

Anyways... it's a Merry Go Round at this point.
Yep.

When he comes home he'll be tried and convicted and given a Dishonorable Discharge. Then he can spend his life whining about how he's a victim like every other felon.
If he goes back, possibly.
 

petros

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Oh no Petros... it was about stopping a tyrant that killed Americans. Suddenly people got a conscious when their General was in charge of the carpet bombing of Libya.

Good Al Queda remember?

Right right.

Good al Qaeda, the ones that kept the Canadian Government's business partner Suncor's oil flowing in big victories. Is Jessica Lynch still their leader?

Our pilots had s*itty aim, they hit cop shops, hospitals, schools, government admin buildings, libraries, museums, food warehouses, power plants, water treatment and sewage treatment plants and all the other Libyan Military strongholds but completely missed Gaddafi's house.

It must have been a drag for the Libyan Army who had to use the sh*t plant as an FOB.
 

EagleSmack

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If the decisions involved in the execution of the contract are faulty, is it his fault? Nope.

lol Ain't me that's floundering.

Perhaps in your head. But the moose example pointed out the difference between justice and legalities. Yours didn't.

And you didn't even touch on the Hitler analogy. Did that confuse you or are you just avoiding it because you see a bit of difference (finally)?

Again, Hitler made murder legal. It was not justified. But the way you seem to be thinking, it was justified.

Yep.

If he goes back, possibly.

Because the Hitler analogy is asinine to be quite honest.

IF... you're right... IF. I say keep him... he's useless to us here. But IF he comes back justice will be served when he gets his DD.
 

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Many disillusion young men and women signed up for the military thinking they were serving their country until they went to Iraq and discovered they were nothing more than poorly paid mercenaries of the military/industrial complex of which Big Oil is a major share holder. If someone is smart enough to figure it out and decides to desert, I support them 100%.
 

EagleSmack

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Right right.

Good al Qaeda, the ones that kept the Canadian Government's business partner Suncor's oil flowing in big victories. Is Jessica Lynch still their leader?

Our pilots had s*itty aim, they hit cop shops, hospitals, schools, government admin buildings, libraries, museums, food warehouses, power plants, water treatment and sewage treatment plants and all the other Libyan Military strongholds but completely missed Gaddafi's house.

It must have been a drag for the Rebels who had to use the sh*t plant as an FOB.

All while enforcing a No Fly Zone.
 

EagleSmack

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Many disillusion young men and women signed up for the military thinking they were serving their country until the went to Iraq and discovered they were nothing more than poorly paid mercenaries of the military/industrial complex of which Big Oil is a major share holder. If someone is smart enough to figure it out and decides to desert, I support them 100%.

Oh Cliffy there is a place where you can support them 100% with your donations. Are you going to do that?

(well maybe 90% huh Cliff?)

It apparently seems like that to you because it points out quite glaringly that you either can't or won't grasp the difference between justice and legality.

And you cannot see that your opinion of justice may in fact differ than others.

Just like you see that the war in Libya is just where Iraq is unjust. I say they were both stupid.

But if you sign the contract... you've got to fight whether you want to or not.

What will be unjust is if he does come back to the US and is acquitted. I will not see that justice has been served. You will... I won't.

Are you FINALLY getting it?
 

petros

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poorly paid mercenaries of the military/industrial complex of which Big Oil is a major share holder. If someone is smart enough to figure it out and decides to desert, I support them 100%.
It wasn't Big Oil. It was Big(clean & green)NG. I'll pull you out of the 80's yet Cliffy.
 

earth_as_one

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How SWEET it is!

PWNED!

Now F*** OFF EAO!

What you posted in 2008 about Hussein and 9/11 doesn't necessarily prove what you believed in 2003.

Also I think you still believe that Bush's statements about Iraq's WMD's as a justification for war were based on intel failures and not deliberate lies. Perhaps you can clarify what you believe...

All while enforcing a No Fly Zone.
Who authorized the no fly-zones over iraq? Can any country do this to another country or just the US, the UK and France?

For example, would China enforcing a no fly zone over parts of the US and attacking any US military aircraft in this zone be an act of war?

Was the US enforcement of No Fly zones over Iraq an act of war?
 

EagleSmack

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What you posted in 2008 about Hussein and 9/11 doesn't necessarily prove what you believed in 2003.

Also I think you still believe that Bush's statements about Iraq's WMD's as a justification for war were based on intel failures and not deliberate lies. Perhaps you can clarify what you believe...

Oh suck on it EAO.

You failed. I knew you'd fail and you did. Miserably.

Go lick your wounds.
 

L Gilbert

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And you cannot see that your opinion of justice may in fact differ than others.
Again, my opinion of the difference is based upon the definitions of them. Your opinion, apparently, is based upon your opinions rather than the definitions.

Just like you see that the war in Libya is just where Iraq is unjust. I say they were both stupid.
I agree they were both stupid, but the stupidity factor is irrelevant.

But if you sign the contract... you've got to fight whether you want to or not.
Legally.

What will be unjust is if he does come back to the US and is acquitted.
I agree. But again, that's just the legalities of the issue.
I will not see that justice has been served. You will... I won't.
Yeah, false justice. According to the definition of justice, it's insulting.

Are you FINALLY getting it?
Oh, I got your POV long ago. Your idea of justice isn't an ethical one.
 

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Hey Eagle, let me ask you....You were a marine right? Were you not bound by oath to refuse orders from your superiors if they were against the good of the nation or the corps? Possibly treasonous? If it was a felony or crime in some way? Are there not many legitimate reasons for you to disobey a direct order without getting in trouble for it? Or are marines really lobotomized robot killing machines trained to get-off on death?
 

petros

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Who invests in and retrieves NG? Exxon? Suncor? Are they not Big Oil?
Division of ran separately with their own agenda, own investors and some Companies are strictly NG.

There is competition within the Corporate World.

You have a lot to learn about the natural resource,electric, chemical industries and how they squabble.

NG has been using greens to target oil and nuclear promoting NG as the hero that will save the planet from certain doom.

They (Corporations)are using you as a voluntary mouthpiece the same way they are using the gung-ho to go off to clear the way for their pipes, plants and wells.

They aren't right, left, up, down, green or red white and blue.

They use and manipulate everybody by creating societal rifts to create and have the greens, the gung-hos and the worker bees to do their bidding.

Oil is more valueable for chemicals than it is fuel but first you greenie weenies have to fight for the planet to get the bees pay for the NG switch over while gung-hos secure the delivery system and bee build and run it all.
 
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EagleSmack

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Oh, I got your POV long ago. Your idea of justice isn't an ethical one.

No... you're not getting it.

They name streets after you.

 

EagleSmack

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Hey Eagle, let me ask you....You were a marine right?

Yes

Were you not bound by oath to refuse orders from your superiors if they were against the good of the nation or the corps?

There is no such oath. Do you know of such oath?

Only a dumb f*** would think there was such an oath that says we must refuse orders.

Possibly treasonous? If it was a felony or crime in some way?


Are there not many legitimate reasons for you to disobey a direct order without getting in trouble for it?

Plenty of reasons.

News Flash.... Going to Iraq was not one of them!

Getting the picture?

Or are marines really lobotomized robot killing machines trained to get-off on death?

Look... I'm sorry you lost your girlfriend to a Marine. It happens quite often.

lol Just keep thinking that. I'm fine with it.

The pic? Cute but again, you are wrong. A "one way" street sign is a warning sign, not a street name sign.

Which just goes to show... you are not quite able to see outside of what you see.

Somethings are just not supposed to be taken literal.